fishmike wrote:NardDogNation wrote:fishmike wrote:NardDogNation wrote:fishmike wrote:NardDogNation wrote:fishmike wrote:NardDogNation wrote:fishmike wrote:Melo trades are as equally entertaining as threads regarding who we will pick if we make the lottery. Both an equal waste of time.
I never understood that attiude. People in your camp pretend that NTCs can't be waived. KG had two and was traded both times despite him being emmensely loyal. Needless to say, Melo can and hopefully will be dealt (stated by a huge Melo fan that is a bigger Knick fan).
right... I equally dont understand the attitude that because something immensely rare happening one place means it can happen in another. Also KG waived it after being convinced by Paul Pierce, and waived it again when the Brooklyn situation was a total disaster. KG waiving his clause does not mean "it happens."Got any other examples? Is there anything in the KG situation that resembles ours? Pretty sure the answer is a big NO to both, but feel free to write a few paragraphs. If you are thinking up trade scenarios with Melo you must have time on your hands. Entertain us...
No-trade clauses are by definition, rare. So you criticize the KG situation as being "rare" or an exception to the rule seems....misguided. Aside from him, I can only think of Kobe who has one....maybe Duncan on the Spurs. And if that is the case, then no-trade clauses have been waived 33%-50% of the time, which isn't exactly a "rare" occurrence.
ok, how about common sense? Why did Melo sign a contract to play in NY?At least make these stupid proposals a viable destination, and there is really only 1... LA. Do you really think he's waiving his clause to play in Utah or some of these other places? Is that common sense? Waste of time and space.
Dude, calm your ass down. If views that differ from your own are so upsetting then maybe a forum for the exchange of ideas isn't for you.
To answer your question, Melo re-signed here because it was the more financially viable option. He managed to get higher annual raises, an additional year to his contract and immediate access to the largest economic market on the face of the Earth ALL gauranteed. Simply put, we were a sound business decision especially for a guy entering the twilight of his career and whose body is about to pull an Amar'e. I also think that the idea of playing for Phil Jackson made him feel a bit more optimistic about us being competitive. But given Melo's track record, money and the bright lights are what is appealing to him (which is why he left a better DEN team to come here via trade instead of free agency).
The NTC was not some act of undying loyalty for the franchise on his part, it was a means to ensure that his fascination with the "bright lights", the only element of his contract that was NOT guaranteed, could be maintained even if it wasn't in NY. Now, he has the ability to pick where he wants to go with his gauranteed money. And fortunately for him, there are other cities that break about even with us given their financial markets AND ability to be a contender. Like you mentioned LAC is one of them. I also think that MIA and CHI, the 4th and 3rd largest markets in the country, have a puncher's chance as well. All 3 teams can produce compelling packages that would allow them to still be a contender if they traded for him and have the spare assets to satisfy us. Outside of those 3, I don't see Melo going anywhere. But those 3 are compelling enough where I think it would happen when we are ready to pull the plug.
Im calm. Its what I am asking you to do. You seem to follow the league and have some fundamental understanding of how things work, which makes the CA trade props even more puzzling.
What makes a CA trade so improbable, NTC aside? This is what puzzles me.
thats like asking what makes going to moon so tough? Gravity aside....for Melo to leave
Needs to be attractive enough to waive his NTC
Needs to be a situation he can leave to go to and save some face. These (NYK) are his team.
Needs to be a team willing to match salaries, and remember not only does Melo make the max he has a trade kicker that jacks his salary up if traded (that cant be waived)
Needs to be a location that Melo approves for his brand, business and family. Remember his son's school and and his wife's life were big factors in ensuring he stays in NY
Needs to be a situation he has influence. Phil talked to him about firing Fisher. Melo knew about the KP draft before it happened (ask DK for a link). Melo has influence and pull with the NYK. Comfort, familiarity.
So even if he did waive his NTC, something I dont see probable at all, actually making the trade is loaded with its own challenges.
Also do you think Melo no longer believes in Phil? Do you think Melo's relationship with KP is pretend? He's got a young player with star potential he likes and trusts to lean on as he gets older...
I could kind of do this all day... there are about 1000 reasons Mell would simply shake his head no thanks.
Didnt even mention the team owner who loves Melo as well....
So thus the German's bombing Perl Harbor comment... why let logic or reason stop anything? Carry on! Lets talk Melo trades!
Big?
No. Not at all. Melo maintains a home in California that his family lives in during the offseason, so clearly he has no objectons about his family spending an extended period of time there. Also of note is the fact that his wife is an entertainer as well, still trying to re-establish her career, which makes being in California an appealing endeavor.
And do you really think that if Melo walked into the Staples Center, he wouldn't have the same pull he has here? His friend, CP3, seems to have a run-of-the-mill having already handpicked Doc Rivers to be head coach. Think that Melo wouldn't be offered those same opportunities if for no other reason than his relationship with Paul?
And more importantly, much of Melo's "financial portfolio" involves start-up tech companies in Silicon Valley, aka California's backyard. You don't think Steve "I'm that mother****er that was with Microsoft from the ground-floor" Ballmer is an extremely valuable contact to leverage for future ventures?
Yes, New York has its appeal to Melo in spite of the losing....but that doesn't mean other destinations can't match or exceed said appeal.
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