nyknickzingis wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Why has Fisher completely abandoned the rotation he had before Melo rolled his ankle? Unreal.

Good question my man. KO is back in the doghouse and Seraphin is once again the main man:::)))

It was so simple.

Take KP out 1st, bring him back in for Lopez before the 1st Q is over (we saw KP go out, but not come back until the 2nd Q).
Bring Lopez back in with KP still out there. So one of KP/Lopez is always out there at Center. Instead he's been playing Seraphin, Amudson and O'Quinn even without a true dedication to any of those 3.

Use Melo at both 4 and 3. Instead today we saw Amudson even get minutes at 4. What the heck was that?

The backcourt is weak, so I won't really argue against any of his rotation there.

I just hate his frontcourt rotations. They minimize the impact Lopez, Porzingis, Melo and Williams will have on the game. It's our biggest strength and his constant shuffling - inserting guys like Amudson/Seraphin in, sitting Porzingis or Lopez way too long is really hurting things. I don't see his reasoning. Is he resting players? Trying to give everyone a chance? I can't say. Either way, I hate he's once again reverted back to his 11-12 man rotation. He's got to get back to playing 8-9 guys. That was working. In an offense like the Tri, and the defensive style we play (constant switching) you can not keep shuffling lineups. Guys need chemistry, cohesion and consistency.

The Fisher who runs a 9 man rotation I like. The coach who runs an 11 man rotation, I want gone next year. I just don't know why he does this again and again. He's seen the results. They're poor.

Yes, I think this is the best rotation as well. Fisher is a moron.Play KP and Rolo at center, Melo KP, and Williams at PF, Melo, Lance, and Williams at SF. Those 5 guys unless KP and Rolo get in foul trouble.

nyknickzingis wrote:Fisher has had some nights where he really has shown he's gotten it. So I don't think he's a lost cause.

I just find his 11-12 man rotation to be his biggest weakness as a coach. It doesn't give his best players to truly make their mark on the game and it doesn't give them enough of an advantage to use their strengths. Our strengths are the ability to have size over teams and to be able to take high percentage shots over smaller players. We can use Melo, Afflalo, Lopez and even Porzingis all in the post. Now we shouldn't run a dump it in the post offense exclusively, but it should be the way the offense begins. Get the ball inside to the mismatch, then find the best quality shot through cuts and motion within the offense. Giving Lopez only 20 minutes to me was inexcusable. Taking Porzingis out at the 6 minute mark in the 1st Q, again weird move. He didn't bring him back at the 9 minute mark like he was before, he brought him back in the 2nd Q. That's too long without your best bigs. You can't rely on the 2nd unit to win you games. Outside of DWill, our 2nd unit guys are guys that are barely able to make it in the league. I like Grant and Galloway - but neither would be getting minutes for a good team. Seraphin/Amudson/Vujacic can not be played in games where we are close (like we were in the 1st half last night).

The missed free throws were all on the guys though. Totally inexcusable. A lack of focus. Make your free throws and you're up 10 in the 1st and have some breathing room. Put more pressure on CHA. Instead you miss so many, allow them to stay close, such that when they make a run, it gives them a lead. Really shot ourselves with that.

Seems mentally even Melo is just too happy/content with being a .500 type of team. If he wants the Knicks to reach another level, he can't have games like that. He didn't bring it all. Perhaps it was a sore knee, but his intensity and attitude were too laid back.

CrushAlot wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Fisher has had some nights where he really has shown he's gotten it. So I don't think he's a lost cause.

I just find his 11-12 man rotation to be his biggest weakness as a coach. It doesn't give his best players to truly make their mark on the game and it doesn't give them enough of an advantage to use their strengths. Our strengths are the ability to have size over teams and to be able to take high percentage shots over smaller players. We can use Melo, Afflalo, Lopez and even Porzingis all in the post. Now we shouldn't run a dump it in the post offense exclusively, but it should be the way the offense begins. Get the ball inside to the mismatch, then find the best quality shot through cuts and motion within the offense. Giving Lopez only 20 minutes to me was inexcusable. Taking Porzingis out at the 6 minute mark in the 1st Q, again weird move. He didn't bring him back at the 9 minute mark like he was before, he brought him back in the 2nd Q. That's too long without your best bigs. You can't rely on the 2nd unit to win you games. Outside of DWill, our 2nd unit guys are guys that are barely able to make it in the league. I like Grant and Galloway - but neither would be getting minutes for a good team. Seraphin/Amudson/Vujacic can not be played in games where we are close (like we were in the 1st half last night).

The missed free throws were all on the guys though. Totally inexcusable. A lack of focus. Make your free throws and you're up 10 in the 1st and have some breathing room. Put more pressure on CHA. Instead you miss so many, allow them to stay close, such that when they make a run, it gives them a lead. Really shot ourselves with that.

Seems mentally even Melo is just too happy/content with being a .500 type of team. If he wants the Knicks to reach another level, he can't have games like that. He didn't bring it all. Perhaps it was a sore knee, but his intensity and attitude were too laid back.

Regarding Melo, prior to his ankle injury he hit the 40 minute mark for a game twice in the season. Coming back from his injury he played 49 and 42 minutes in consecutive games. I don't think he can hold up with those type of minutes. He was showing signs that he hadn't fully recovered, grimacing when he landed after dunks etc., in both of the first two games back. It might be time to give him a rest and manage his minutes better.

Yup, if you've ever played basketball with a bum ankle, you know it can make it real tough to get up and down the floor, elevate. Especially with the minutes Melo has played lately. Agree with the rest of the post though.

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:I think Knicks1969 has finally gotten it!

It takes time.

How confident are you of this??

He a good dude, but he one of those guys goes on results, not process. I mean since we not accountable we could have traded RoPez low, fired Fisher and of course exiled Jose. But the process of Jose and Melo shaking the rust and others getting to know each and the system is lengthy. Not everyone gets that.

Confident? Naw, first time we lose two in a row he'll have the "feeling" and want Luke Walton here thinking he'll bring that GSW magic with him.

Lol....y'all are so silly. I am more then happy with what I have seen since after the Utah game. Fisher grew as a coach and stopped the experiments. I still have issues with Jose as a starter, mainly because I believe Gallo can do much better. But I would have never been a Fisher hater if the dude was not terrible early on. He now knows Carmelo is our best PG; which I have been stating since the start of the season. He now also knows that Williams is a studd and needs to share the floor with Carmelo and KP; as well as, getting more than the lousy 8 minutes he was getting early on.

disagree completely.
1. jose is the best starting PG on this squad right now
2. he makes the offense click
3. he has no problems being vocal
4. chemistry seems better with him on the floor
5. defense obviously is worse at his position, but do you really see Gallo being a vocal leader on the floor? the guy is a mouse when it comes to barking at Melo.

+1

For me Gallo's only plus on Jose is his defense, and I've been down on Gallo's defense recently, just doesn't seem right but I can't articulate it. Same goes for Lance.

OK, Gallo also much better rebounder.

What did happen during the Utah and Philly games? Specifically,once Gallo replaced Calderon in the back court? Suddenly our defense improved drastically. Even Clyde kept on asking to insert Gallo to stop the bleeding. Some of you are really not looking at the games as you should. Just because a dude is vocal does not mean he is better. Gallo does know the triangle. With a much better floor leader in Carmelo, Jose is obsolete

You gotta stop going by SOME games and start going by hoe they've played for the season. Gallo was the mvp of the end of the Utah game but do you know how many games he played in that he wasn't any help at all for us while on the floor?? More than can be counted. I give him the Utah game and a couple more but he really hasn't been that good this year for us. I do think he deserves more chances after the Utah game and think he should be closing out close games for us with his defense but he has a lot to prove before he gets the starting job over Jose as of now.

The shot in the corner by Gallo with Carmelo assisting would not have happened if it were Calderon in that position. Why? Because Calderon is not really a catch and shoot type of guard. It is unfortunate that it will probably take an injury to Calderon to force you guys to see how MUCH better the Knicks can be with Gallo minus calderon in the starting 5. Gallo's numbers have not looked good because he struggles with his shots. However he is doing a lot more than just shooting the ball. I don't know if you've noticed, but he has been used strictly as a SG.

My proposition is to have him on the floor as a STARTING Guard with Camelo as the Point Forward

BRIGGS wrote:="newyorker4ever"]

Knicks1969 wrote:

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:I think Knicks1969 has finally gotten it!

It takes time.

How confident are you of this??

He a good dude, but he one of those guys goes on results, not process. I mean since we not accountable we could have traded RoPez low, fired Fisher and of course exiled Jose. But the process of Jose and Melo shaking the rust and others getting to know each and the system is lengthy. Not everyone gets that.

Confident? Naw, first time we lose two in a row he'll have the "feeling" and want Luke Walton here thinking he'll bring that GSW magic with him.

Lol....y'all are so silly. I am more then happy with what I have seen since after the Utah game. Fisher grew as a coach and stopped the experiments. I still have issues with Jose as a starter, mainly because I believe Gallo can do much better. But I would have never been a Fisher hater if the dude was not terrible early on. He now knows Carmelo is our best PG; which I have been stating since the start of the season. He now also knows that Williams is a studd and needs to share the floor with Carmelo and KP; as well as, getting more than the lousy 8 minutes he was getting early on.

disagree completely.
1. jose is the best starting PG on this squad right now
2. he makes the offense click
3. he has no problems being vocal
4. chemistry seems better with him on the floor
5. defense obviously is worse at his position, but do you really see Gallo being a vocal leader on the floor? the guy is a mouse when it comes to barking at Melo.

+1

For me Gallo's only plus on Jose is his defense, and I've been down on Gallo's defense recently, just doesn't seem right but I can't articulate it. Same goes for Lance.

OK, Gallo also much better rebounder.

What did happen during the Utah and Philly games? Specifically,once Gallo replaced Calderon in the back court? Suddenly our defense improved drastically. Even Clyde kept on asking to insert Gallo to stop the bleeding. Some of you are really not looking at the games as you should. Just because a dude is vocal does not mean he is better. Gallo does know the triangle. With a much better floor leader in Carmelo, Jose is obsolete

You gotta stop going by SOME games and start going by hoe they've played for the season. Gallo was the mvp of the end of the Utah game but do you know how many games he played in that he wasn't any help at all for us while on the floor?? More than can be counted. I give him the Utah game and a couple more but he really hasn't been that good this year for us. I do think he deserves more chances after the Utah game and think he should be closing out close games for us with his defense but he has a lot to prove before he gets the starting job over Jose as of now.

Calderon is a steady pg. That being said does he make others around him better? Does he have the ability to use the dribble to break down the defense? Can he be counted on to make a good play with less than 5 seconds on the shot clock? Can he put pressure on the opposing offensive player? Yes he's steady but the answers to these questions is no.

I don't understand why you're posting this to me cause i agree and have NEVER said Calderon is a good starting point guard but i have said and still say that he's the best point guard we have and that unfortunately means until we upgrade at point guard he needs to be the starter and Gallo or Grant are NOT an upgrade. Do you agree with that???

knickscity wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Why has Fisher completely abandoned the rotation he had before Melo rolled his ankle? Unreal.

Good question my man. KO is back in the doghouse and Seraphin is once again the main man:::)))

You have been watching the games right?? KO has been absolutely horrible. His defense is nonexistent, He commits dumb fouls and turns over the ball a lot with bad passes. He's had games where he's looked like he could be a good big off the bench but he's had more games showing he's just not that good. This team not only needs an upgrade in the back court but also needs a better big man to come in for Rolo. We don't have a big that can come in and bang down low and rebound and play defense and it's badly needed.

That big was Cole Aldrich. We don't have him because we didn't want him. he doesn't fit what we do even though he fits perfectly well whenever he plays.

reub wrote:Fisher got it and lost it again?

Last night he did

Cartman718 wrote:

reub wrote:I think O'Quinn would play better at a lighter playing weight.

he does have an opportunity during all star break to come in at the right weight

Is he over weight? Where has it been reported that he is not in shape??