Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Amazing how all he needed was a little help. Many of us have been saying you need to give him quality help to expect this type of result.

or maybe he needed to become a better player.

Its ok to say that melo needed to improve.

Melo is human. There are a lot of factors that go into Melo becoming this player.

To say Melo just improved doesn't seem to be a accurate analysis. Even if it was just a case of him improving, what factors lead to the improvement? Is it his age and him having a better understanding of what needs to be done? Is it Phil and Fisher being in his ear and displaying there leadership and communication skills. Is it guys like Affalo, O'Quinn, Lopez, Kristap, Calderon being like able lunch pale guys who he feels at piece with? Is it the triangle system that fits his skill set? Maybe its a combination of all these things.

Probably the most accurate analysis to why Melo has improved has to do with the human elements.

This is correct. There is a level of maturity here, and it has gone hand and hand with his new teammates. Do we really think Melo would be playing this way with last season's roster? It's silly to think he improved at 31, to imply he suddenly added elements to his game that weren't there before. He has neither improved, nor declined (as indicated here so often in nov-dec), he is more-less the same player he has been a majority of his career, but has adjusted his game based on his teammates and the positive environment that has been created this season.

The Melo we're seeing as of 1/7/16 is a combination of things. It isn't just an improved roster, or he just suddenly improved his play. It is both. He sees that guys can make shots now so he trusts them and doesn't try to Hero ball it, and also with Fish and Jax constantly harping in his ear, he's playing harder, not taking many plays off, and playing better and smarter overall.

Definitely not the same Melo from the beginning of the season, and I'm hoping this evolution is here to stay....until Kawhi puts him in a gym locker that is!

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Amazing how all he needed was a little help. Many of us have been saying you need to give him quality help to expect this type of result.

or maybe he needed to become a better player.

Its ok to say that melo needed to improve.

Melo is human. There are a lot of factors that go into Melo becoming this player.

To say Melo just improved doesn't seem to be a accurate analysis. Even if it was just a case of him improving, what factors lead to the improvement? Is it his age and him having a better understanding of what needs to be done? Is it Phil and Fisher being in his ear and displaying there leadership and communication skills. Is it guys like Affalo, O'Quinn, Lopez, Kristap, Calderon being like able lunch pale guys who he feels at piece with? Is it the triangle system that fits his skill set? Maybe its a combination of all these things.

Probably the most accurate analysis to why Melo has improved has to do with the human elements.

This is correct. There is a level of maturity here, and it has gone hand and hand with his new teammates. Do we really think Melo would be playing this way with last season's roster? It's silly to think he improved at 31, to imply he suddenly added elements to his game that weren't there before. He has neither improved, nor declined (as indicated here so often in nov-dec), he is more-less the same player he has been a majority of his career, but has adjusted his game based on his teammates and the positive environment that has been created this season.

The Melo we're seeing as of 1/7/16 is a combination of things. It isn't just an improved roster, or he just suddenly improved his play. It is both. He sees that guys can make shots now so he trusts them and doesn't try to Hero ball it, and also with Fish and Jax constantly harping in his ear, he's playing harder, not taking many plays off, and playing better and smarter overall.

Definitely not the same Melo from the beginning of the season, and I'm hoping this evolution is here to stay....until Kawhi puts him in a gym locker that is!

But it's KP's team now...

Soon padawan soon. Next year actually. Let the torch be passed naturally.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Amazing how all he needed was a little help. Many of us have been saying you need to give him quality help to expect this type of result.

or maybe he needed to become a better player.

Its ok to say that melo needed to improve.

Melo is human. There are a lot of factors that go into Melo becoming this player.

To say Melo just improved doesn't seem to be a accurate analysis. Even if it was just a case of him improving, what factors lead to the improvement? Is it his age and him having a better understanding of what needs to be done? Is it Phil and Fisher being in his ear and displaying there leadership and communication skills. Is it guys like Affalo, O'Quinn, Lopez, Kristap, Calderon being like able lunch pale guys who he feels at piece with? Is it the triangle system that fits his skill set? Maybe its a combination of all these things.

Probably the most accurate analysis to why Melo has improved has to do with the human elements.

This is correct. There is a level of maturity here, and it has gone hand and hand with his new teammates. Do we really think Melo would be playing this way with last season's roster? It's silly to think he improved at 31, to imply he suddenly added elements to his game that weren't there before. He has neither improved, nor declined (as indicated here so often in nov-dec), he is more-less the same player he has been a majority of his career, but has adjusted his game based on his teammates and the positive environment that has been created this season.

The Melo we're seeing as of 1/7/16 is a combination of things. It isn't just an improved roster, or he just suddenly improved his play. It is both. He sees that guys can make shots now so he trusts them and doesn't try to Hero ball it, and also with Fish and Jax constantly harping in his ear, he's playing harder, not taking many plays off, and playing better and smarter overall.

Definitely not the same Melo from the beginning of the season, and I'm hoping this evolution is here to stay....until Kawhi puts him in a gym locker that is!

But it's KP's team now...

Soon padawan soon. Next year actually. Let the torch be passed naturally.

Funny, that is exactly what i was telling you in Nov when you were saying Melo was done.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Amazing how all he needed was a little help. Many of us have been saying you need to give him quality help to expect this type of result.

or maybe he needed to become a better player.

Its ok to say that melo needed to improve.

Melo is human. There are a lot of factors that go into Melo becoming this player.

To say Melo just improved doesn't seem to be a accurate analysis. Even if it was just a case of him improving, what factors lead to the improvement? Is it his age and him having a better understanding of what needs to be done? Is it Phil and Fisher being in his ear and displaying there leadership and communication skills. Is it guys like Affalo, O'Quinn, Lopez, Kristap, Calderon being like able lunch pale guys who he feels at piece with? Is it the triangle system that fits his skill set? Maybe its a combination of all these things.

Probably the most accurate analysis to why Melo has improved has to do with the human elements.

This is correct. There is a level of maturity here, and it has gone hand and hand with his new teammates. Do we really think Melo would be playing this way with last season's roster? It's silly to think he improved at 31, to imply he suddenly added elements to his game that weren't there before. He has neither improved, nor declined (as indicated here so often in nov-dec), he is more-less the same player he has been a majority of his career, but has adjusted his game based on his teammates and the positive environment that has been created this season.

The Melo we're seeing as of 1/7/16 is a combination of things. It isn't just an improved roster, or he just suddenly improved his play. It is both. He sees that guys can make shots now so he trusts them and doesn't try to Hero ball it, and also with Fish and Jax constantly harping in his ear, he's playing harder, not taking many plays off, and playing better and smarter overall.

Definitely not the same Melo from the beginning of the season, and I'm hoping this evolution is here to stay....until Kawhi puts him in a gym locker that is!

But it's KP's team now...

Soon padawan soon. Next year actually. Let the torch be passed naturally.

Funny, that is exactly what i was telling you in Nov when you were saying Melo was done.

Everybody with a logical mind thought that even when he was pronounced "healthy". He didn't trust his teammates yet, he was still Hero balling, not even close to the effort and smarts he's displayed of late.

I admit he's changed his game (for the better). He's making passes now that he'd probably just take it upon himself to shoot. He's doing that swipe block more and more this season, rather than once every other week in past seasons. Less arguing with officials. Less cringe worthy post game interviews. Better body language on the court, especially when faced with adversity.

I'm giving him props, what else do you want? Only question is, will he sustain it the rest of the season and beyond?

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Amazing how all he needed was a little help. Many of us have been saying you need to give him quality help to expect this type of result.

or maybe he needed to become a better player.

Its ok to say that melo needed to improve.

Melo is human. There are a lot of factors that go into Melo becoming this player.

To say Melo just improved doesn't seem to be a accurate analysis. Even if it was just a case of him improving, what factors lead to the improvement? Is it his age and him having a better understanding of what needs to be done? Is it Phil and Fisher being in his ear and displaying there leadership and communication skills. Is it guys like Affalo, O'Quinn, Lopez, Kristap, Calderon being like able lunch pale guys who he feels at piece with? Is it the triangle system that fits his skill set? Maybe its a combination of all these things.

Probably the most accurate analysis to why Melo has improved has to do with the human elements.

This is correct. There is a level of maturity here, and it has gone hand and hand with his new teammates. Do we really think Melo would be playing this way with last season's roster? It's silly to think he improved at 31, to imply he suddenly added elements to his game that weren't there before. He has neither improved, nor declined (as indicated here so often in nov-dec), he is more-less the same player he has been a majority of his career, but has adjusted his game based on his teammates and the positive environment that has been created this season.

The Melo we're seeing as of 1/7/16 is a combination of things. It isn't just an improved roster, or he just suddenly improved his play. It is both. He sees that guys can make shots now so he trusts them and doesn't try to Hero ball it, and also with Fish and Jax constantly harping in his ear, he's playing harder, not taking many plays off, and playing better and smarter overall.

Definitely not the same Melo from the beginning of the season, and I'm hoping this evolution is here to stay....until Kawhi puts him in a gym locker that is!

But it's KP's team now...

Soon padawan soon. Next year actually. Let the torch be passed naturally.

Funny, that is exactly what i was telling you in Nov when you were saying Melo was done.

Everybody with a logical mind thought that even when he was pronounced "healthy". He didn't trust his teammates yet, he was still Hero balling, not even close to the effort and smarts he's displayed of late.

I admit he's changed his game (for the better). He's making passes now that he'd probably just take it upon himself to shoot. He's doing that swipe block more and more this season, rather than once every other week in past seasons. Less arguing with officials. Less cringe worthy post game interviews. Better body language on the court, especially when faced with adversity.

I'm giving him props, what else do you want? Only question is, will he sustain it the rest of the season and beyond?

Knixkik wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Everybody with a logical mind thought that even when he was pronounced "healthy".

So everyone that was wrong was logical and everyone that was right and/or simply open-minded and not drawing conclusions were illogical?

Seriously?

Haha, i had to read this a couple of times too.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Everybody with a logical mind thought that even when he was pronounced "healthy".

So everyone that was wrong was logical and everyone that was right and/or simply open-minded and not drawing conclusions were illogical?

Seriously?

Haha, i had to read this a couple of times too.

bad attempt at damage control as he looks like a fool for all the Melo hate, KP is the alpha, Melo is washed up idiocy he flooded every thread with over the last 6 months. Cute try though

Lol it is isn't it! No damage control. Listen you Melo-lovers can wash his balls all you like....this is the first time in his whole career he's actually playing like this consistently.

Now, sustainability and health are the major questions with him. Can he keep this up?

"I was wrong."

C'mon, CB, you can do it. One word at a time...

DrAlphaeus wrote:Some great discussion in this thread. We may all be looking back at that injury as a beautiful gift. It was probably the longest period in his adult life he's gone not able to play basketball. Maybe Melo's physical gifts kept him on a plateau that he had to be knocked off of in order to climb back and get even higher. Maybe the time away made him appreciate what the game means to him specifically, instead of this thing that he's just been doing since grade school. It is great to see and I want to read the Phil Jackson book to come out of this as well! I have been really wait and see about PJ but this does look like his fingerprints are on this.

Great fn point