Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:It is simply foolish to have RoLo on Milsap or Horford. In the forth Lance or KP should have gotten this assignments

yeah ... go away

So you are satisfied with RoLo defending Millsap?

I am satisfied with the fact that we are a better when he in on the floor.

I did not say take him out, we almost gave the game away with him guarding Millsap

Can't remember, but if Atlanta went that small, and you want Lopez on the floor, you almost have to have him on Millsap...NO?

Hawks had some success with Horford beyond the arc. They really don't have a true center, unless Taveras or Splitter are on the floor.

You needed Lopez on the floor to mix it up yesterday, as the Hawks tried to play bully ball out of frustration. Only other guys you want playing enforcer are O'Quinn and Seraphin, and they are out of the rotation at this point.

Horford's 3's were wide open shots. Lopez needs to feel more at ease guarding a guy like him on the perimeter, and the other Knicks defenders have to be ready to show themselves if Horford things about driving, but I think you needed Lopez on the floor, yesterday.

WaltLongmire wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:It is simply foolish to have RoLo on Milsap or Horford. In the forth Lance or KP should have gotten this assignments

yeah ... go away

So you are satisfied with RoLo defending Millsap?

I am satisfied with the fact that we are a better when he in on the floor.

I did not say take him out, we almost gave the game away with him guarding Millsap

Was Milsap at the 5 when Lopez was on him?

Can't remember, but if Atlanta went that small, and you want Lopez on the floor, you almost have to have him on Millsap...NO?

Hawks had some success with Horford beyond the arc. They really don't have a true center, unless Taveras or Splitter are on the floor.

You needed Lopez on the floor to mix it up yesterday, as the Hawks tried to play bully ball out of frustration. Only other guys you want playing enforcer are O'Quinn and Seraphin, and they are out of the rotation at this point.

Horford's 3's were wide open shots. Lopez needs to feel more at ease guarding a guy like him on the perimeter, and the other Knicks defenders have to be ready to show themselves if Horford things about driving, but I think you needed Lopez on the floor, yesterday.

Lopez needed to be on the floor, but when KP was on the bench, Thomas anD Williams needed to be inserted instead of Grant and Gallo. The lineup was: Calderon, Jose, Carmelo, RoLo, and Gallo. Atlanta had: Teague, Bazemore, Korver, Milssap, and Horford. Milssap, Korver and Horford were all getting wide open looks from the three point line, because RoLo can't guard anyone outside the paint

fishmike wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:It is simply foolish to have RoLo on Milsap or Horford. In the forth Lance or KP should have gotten this assignments

yeah ... go away

So you are satisfied with RoLo defending Millsap?

I am satisfied with the fact that we are a better when he in on the floor.

I did not say take him out, we almost gave the game away with him guarding Millsap

Was Milsap at the 5 when Lopez was on him?

Can't remember, but if Atlanta went that small, and you want Lopez on the floor, you almost have to have him on Millsap...NO?

Hawks had some success with Horford beyond the arc. They really don't have a true center, unless Taveras or Splitter are on the floor.

You needed Lopez on the floor to mix it up yesterday, as the Hawks tried to play bully ball out of frustration. Only other guys you want playing enforcer are O'Quinn and Seraphin, and they are out of the rotation at this point.

Horford's 3's were wide open shots. Lopez needs to feel more at ease guarding a guy like him on the perimeter, and the other Knicks defenders have to be ready to show themselves if Horford things about driving, but I think you needed Lopez on the floor, yesterday.

Lopez needed to be on the floor, but when KP was on the bench, Thomas anD Williams needed to be inserted instead of Grant and Gallo. The lineup was: Calderon, Jose, Carmelo, RoLo, and Gallo. Atlanta had: Teague, Bazemore, Korver, Milssap, and Horford. Milssap, Korver and Horford were all getting wide open looks from the three point line, because RoLo can't guard anyone outside the paint

Look up the rebounding stats during that stretch and come back to me.

Sorry mate... but I know you despise Fisher but I have yet to see you post one constructive arguement against him.

Every coach can be nitpicked. I can see you are one of those guys that thinks every game should be won, and if its not it because Fisher phucked it up somehow.

No Sir, I don't believe every game should be won. I don't like the fact that we often give games away due to poor management. The game is played to be won or lost.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:or..........he kept his team by giving minutes to the new guys and if they performed they stick in the rotation.
There is a method to this.

Phuching Jose CaldePhuchingRone fed in the lane for layup from Phuching Robin PhuchingLopez to seal the win was phuching epic last nite!!!

I have to admit, that Give and Go was the play of the game last night. After all the ISO garbage plays that slowly led ATL back in, it was the team ball Triangle centric traditional give and go that sealed it.

There's no scripted play called there, just a read and react instinct by system play, which is a credit to the coaching staff, Fisher included. So kudos to Fish for keeping with the triangle through thick and thin. He has to tighten that 4th quarter ISO BS though and remind Melo and Afflalo there's 4 other players on the floor.

For those that hate iOS ball.....all superstars do it. But look at the replay and u will realize that play doesn't work if Iso melo wasn't on the floor. Melos man was not leaving him which created a wide open lane for Jose. Also melo got paid to become a finisher on this team. I think his iSo days are fading and only works against certain defenders. But still have to give melo credit for opening that lane for Jose. It also shows u was a dynamic young slashing guard can do for this team.

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:It is simply foolish to have RoLo on Milsap or Horford. In the forth Lance or KP should have gotten this assignments

yeah ... go away

So you are satisfied with RoLo defending Millsap?

I am satisfied with the fact that we are a better when he in on the floor.

I did not say take him out, we almost gave the game away with him guarding Millsap

Was Milsap at the 5 when Lopez was on him?

Can't remember, but if Atlanta went that small, and you want Lopez on the floor, you almost have to have him on Millsap...NO?

Hawks had some success with Horford beyond the arc. They really don't have a true center, unless Taveras or Splitter are on the floor.

You needed Lopez on the floor to mix it up yesterday, as the Hawks tried to play bully ball out of frustration. Only other guys you want playing enforcer are O'Quinn and Seraphin, and they are out of the rotation at this point.

Horford's 3's were wide open shots. Lopez needs to feel more at ease guarding a guy like him on the perimeter, and the other Knicks defenders have to be ready to show themselves if Horford things about driving, but I think you needed Lopez on the floor, yesterday.

Lopez needed to be on the floor, but when KP was on the bench, Thomas anD Williams needed to be inserted instead of Grant and Gallo. The lineup was: Calderon, Jose, Carmelo, RoLo, and Gallo. Atlanta had: Teague, Bazemore, Korver, Milssap, and Horford. Milssap, Korver and Horford were all getting wide open looks from the three point line, because RoLo can't guard anyone outside the paint

THis is just stupid.

First, you have Jose in your lineup twice.

Second, when KP was on bench in 4th, one of Thomas and DWill were on the floor.

If Milsap/Horford were on floor together, you can't just sit both of KP and Rolo otherwise you get destroyed at the rim.

Here is a website where you can verify when guys are on the court and how they do during that time: http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20160105&game=NYKATL

Cool site.

ChuckBuck wrote:

blkexec wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:or..........he kept his team by giving minutes to the new guys and if they performed they stick in the rotation.
There is a method to this.

Phuching Jose CaldePhuchingRone fed in the lane for layup from Phuching Robin PhuchingLopez to seal the win was phuching epic last nite!!!

I have to admit, that Give and Go was the play of the game last night. After all the ISO garbage plays that slowly led ATL back in, it was the team ball Triangle centric traditional give and go that sealed it.

There's no scripted play called there, just a read and react instinct by system play, which is a credit to the coaching staff, Fisher included. So kudos to Fish for keeping with the triangle through thick and thin. He has to tighten that 4th quarter ISO BS though and remind Melo and Afflalo there's 4 other players on the floor.

For those that hate iOS ball.....all superstars do it. But look at the replay and u will realize that play doesn't work if Iso melo wasn't on the floor. Melos man was not leaving him which created a wide open lane for Jose. Also melo got paid to become a finisher on this team. I think his iSo days are fading and only works against certain defenders. But still have to give melo credit for opening that lane for Jose. It also shows u was a dynamic young slashing guard can do for this team.

Jose's guy (Shroeder) wasn't cheating on Melo on the play. It was just a well executed hard clean cut by Jose, Shroeder was expecting Jose to camp at 3pt line like he usually does, and a great in stride pass by RoLo.

And you can see from the defensive alignment, it was strictly man to man D, no compensating for ISO Melo on the play. So in this particular play, Melo being on the court didn't matter or affect the Give and Go play.

Not that Melo played horrible...just on this particular play, his "presence" didn't mean much to what Jose and RoLo were doing.

And I don't mind ISO ball...but in smaller doses, especially on mismatches, but not exclusively like what we saw Melo and Afflalo do time and time again in the 4th.

And yes, I'm in 1000% agreement on the need for a stud PG like a Westbrook that can do that Jose cut a trillion times in a game....one can dream!

that play was a broken play (sort of). Nothing was there for Jose and he gave it to Rolo in the high post with the shot clock winding down which was a bad move because Rolo can't really do anything there. Luckily Atlanta fell asleep and missed the cutter - jose who scored as the clock expired. No way that was drawn up.

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

blkexec wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:or..........he kept his team by giving minutes to the new guys and if they performed they stick in the rotation.
There is a method to this.

Phuching Jose CaldePhuchingRone fed in the lane for layup from Phuching Robin PhuchingLopez to seal the win was phuching epic last nite!!!

I have to admit, that Give and Go was the play of the game last night. After all the ISO garbage plays that slowly led ATL back in, it was the team ball Triangle centric traditional give and go that sealed it.

There's no scripted play called there, just a read and react instinct by system play, which is a credit to the coaching staff, Fisher included. So kudos to Fish for keeping with the triangle through thick and thin. He has to tighten that 4th quarter ISO BS though and remind Melo and Afflalo there's 4 other players on the floor.

For those that hate iOS ball.....all superstars do it. But look at the replay and u will realize that play doesn't work if Iso melo wasn't on the floor. Melos man was not leaving him which created a wide open lane for Jose. Also melo got paid to become a finisher on this team. I think his iSo days are fading and only works against certain defenders. But still have to give melo credit for opening that lane for Jose. It also shows u was a dynamic young slashing guard can do for this team.

Jose's guy (Shroeder) wasn't cheating on Melo on the play. It was just a well executed hard clean cut by Jose, Shroeder was expecting Jose to camp at 3pt line like he usually does, and a great in stride pass by RoLo.

And you can see from the defensive alignment, it was strictly man to man D, no compensating for ISO Melo on the play. So in this particular play, Melo being on the court didn't matter or affect the Give and Go play.

Not that Melo played horrible...just on this particular play, his "presence" didn't mean much to what Jose and RoLo were doing.

And I don't mind ISO ball...but in smaller doses, especially on mismatches, but not exclusively like what we saw Melo and Afflalo do time and time again in the 4th.

And yes, I'm in 1000% agreement on the need for a stud PG like a Westbrook that can do that Jose cut a trillion times in a game....one can dream!

that play was a broken play (sort of). Nothing was there for Jose and he gave it to Rolo in the high post with the shot clock winding down which was a bad move because Rolo can't really do anything there. Luckily Atlanta fell asleep and missed the cutter - jose who scored as the clock expired. No way that was drawn up.

It wasn't drawn up. That was a triangle instinctive reaction play.

ChuckBuck wrote:
Look at the video. None of the other players are cheating off KP or Afflalo. It was strictly Man up or man to man. Not a "Melo Zone" D, where all eyes on are on him.

And I'm not saying teams don't do a "Melo Zone" D to cheat towards Melo, but on this particular play the video clearly shows man to man.

Melo wasn't involved in the pass or the cut or the spacing or the lane. Period.

Give Jose and RoLo and Fisher and the system it's due. This was all triangle instinctive pressure release reaction play.

The point is that Melo was drawing Millsap out of the lane. Most other situations, Millsap would've slid into the lane on the Jose/Melo screen to cover the lane for Schroeder. But he didn't leave Melo. Because Melo is Melo. If Millsap slid over to help, Melo would've been wide open.

I'm not saying anything about Jose, Rolo or Fisher. I give them all their due pretty regularly. But on that play, they were helped by Melo's mere pressence. It is obvious if you watch the tape. That's part of this being a team.

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:
Look at the video. None of the other players are cheating off KP or Afflalo. It was strictly Man up or man to man. Not a "Melo Zone" D, where all eyes on are on him.

And I'm not saying teams don't do a "Melo Zone" D to cheat towards Melo, but on this particular play the video clearly shows man to man.

Melo wasn't involved in the pass or the cut or the spacing or the lane. Period.

Give Jose and RoLo and Fisher and the system it's due. This was all triangle instinctive pressure release reaction play.

The point is that Melo was drawing Millsap out of the lane. Most other situations, Millsap would've slid into the lane on the Jose/Melo screen to cover the lane for Schroeder. But he didn't leave Melo. Because Melo is Melo. If Millsap slid over to help, Melo would've been wide open.

I'm not saying anything about Jose, Rolo or Fisher. I give them all their due pretty regularly. But on that play, they were helped by Melo's mere pressence. It is obvious if you watch the tape. That's part of this being a team.

Then the same could be said about KP's guy or Afflalo's guy not leaving their man.

I'm not saying not to give Melo his due, but just not on this particular play. It was man to man all the way, all the Hawks were basically playing "Cover Zero" defense with no help defender.

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

blkexec wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:or..........he kept his team by giving minutes to the new guys and if they performed they stick in the rotation.
There is a method to this.

Phuching Jose CaldePhuchingRone fed in the lane for layup from Phuching Robin PhuchingLopez to seal the win was phuching epic last nite!!!

I have to admit, that Give and Go was the play of the game last night. After all the ISO garbage plays that slowly led ATL back in, it was the team ball Triangle centric traditional give and go that sealed it.

There's no scripted play called there, just a read and react instinct by system play, which is a credit to the coaching staff, Fisher included. So kudos to Fish for keeping with the triangle through thick and thin. He has to tighten that 4th quarter ISO BS though and remind Melo and Afflalo there's 4 other players on the floor.

For those that hate iOS ball.....all superstars do it. But look at the replay and u will realize that play doesn't work if Iso melo wasn't on the floor. Melos man was not leaving him which created a wide open lane for Jose. Also melo got paid to become a finisher on this team. I think his iSo days are fading and only works against certain defenders. But still have to give melo credit for opening that lane for Jose. It also shows u was a dynamic young slashing guard can do for this team.

Jose's guy (Shroeder) wasn't cheating on Melo on the play. It was just a well executed hard clean cut by Jose, Shroeder was expecting Jose to camp at 3pt line like he usually does, and a great in stride pass by RoLo.

And you can see from the defensive alignment, it was strictly man to man D, no compensating for ISO Melo on the play. So in this particular play, Melo being on the court didn't matter or affect the Give and Go play.

Not that Melo played horrible...just on this particular play, his "presence" didn't mean much to what Jose and RoLo were doing.

And I don't mind ISO ball...but in smaller doses, especially on mismatches, but not exclusively like what we saw Melo and Afflalo do time and time again in the 4th.

And yes, I'm in 1000% agreement on the need for a stud PG like a Westbrook that can do that Jose cut a trillion times in a game....one can dream!

that play was a broken play (sort of). Nothing was there for Jose and he gave it to Rolo in the high post with the shot clock winding down which was a bad move because Rolo can't really do anything there. Luckily Atlanta fell asleep and missed the cutter - jose who scored as the clock expired. No way that was drawn up.

It wasn't drawn up. That was a triangle instinctive reaction play.

rolo should have never got the ball in that spot with the clock expiring.