Vmart wrote:Unfortunately for Melo flopping is part of the game and its an art form. Just as a three pointer is or a turn around jumper he has to practice it. Take acting lessons if he must.

Yeah, I really like the idea of comparing legal shots in the game to an azz-wipe move that you can possibly get penalized for. Now Melo needs to learn to flop and take acting lessons. That way the haters can have all new Youtube highlights to post. It's a win-win! If he doesn't flop, here's another great reason he's a behind-the-times dinosaur, and if and when he does flop, he'll be called out for being a late to the game a-hole.

It's come to this.

That said, I believe Melo would be better served not wasting time and energy whining about non-calls during the game. As it does in every other level of ball, it obviously gains him nothing.

As I've mentioned before, I play pickup ball with an NBA ref, and he's as much said they call games as much by their opinion of the player as they do by the rulebook. Welcome to the world of sport meets entertainment.

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:Unfortunately for Melo flopping is part of the game and its an art form. Just as a three pointer is or a turn around jumper he has to practice it. Take acting lessons if he must.

Yeah, I really like the idea of comparing legal shots in the game to an azz-wipe move that you can possibly get penalized for. Now Melo needs to learn to flop and take acting lessons. That way the haters can have all new Youtube highlights to post. It's a win-win! If he doesn't flop, here's another great reason he's a behind-the-times dinosaur, and if and when he does flop, he'll be called out for being a late to the game a-hole.

It's come to this.

That said, I believe Melo would be better served not wasting time and energy whining about non-calls during the game. As it does in every other level of ball, it obviously gains him nothing.

As I've mentioned before, I play pickup ball with an NBA ref, and he's as much said they call games as much by their opinion of the player as they do by the rulebook. Welcome to the world of sport meets entertainment.

I know such a sad state of the game. That is why I Started my post with the word unfortunately.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:How can he be boys with Wade and Lebron and not pick their brains on the art of flopping? It's a damn near art, especially if you don't get called for flopping by the league. He should hit up his actress wife, get some tips, she sells it well especially in that nudie scene from "Power".

What a fool.

God, you are an ass.

How so? The greats of the game have all gotten calls by exaggerating movements to get whistles. Even MJ and Kobe have gotten benefit of the officials just by flailing out a little. Reggie made an art out of this. Lebron and Manu mastered this. Harden is the new GOAT flopper.

Tell me how I'm an ass again just because I proved you wrong?

You know damn well you are an ass for the LaLa actress **** and calling him a fool. Don't pretend you were posting about basketball and not just being a petulant little pest.

I'm simply using an analogy. LaLa acts, Floppers act. Same thing soccer players do to get calls. It's called gamesmanship, something Melo doesn't have an ounce of.

Take a chill pill dude. Just talking sports here, right? Melo's not your brother or best friend, is he?

And he's a fool because he wants to be a basketball player and not an actor? LaLa's titties is just talking sports? Don't be too cute for your own good.

Cute? I'm talking about selling the foul, which Melo has no concept of doing. LaLa's an actress, correct? She can't give him nuances on how to act properly to get said calls?

Your M.O. is to insult Melo because you hate he is on this team. I think everyone gets it by now. Keep pretending you aren't being a little snot and just talking about basketball though. You can give Melo some acting lessons maybe?

Someone needs to search out tkf's agent to get scheduled for lessons on how to do this properly.

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Unfortunately for Melo flopping is part of the game and its an art form. Just as a three pointer is or a turn around jumper he has to practice it. Take acting lessons if he must.

OK so maybe this is just semantic but for me there is a difference between flopping and selling a foul. One is an outright lie and the other is a heightened reaction to a foul that is surely there.

Melo got to sell his fouls more.

Flopping is something you either practice and it's part of your game. Selling a foul is slightly different, but it's where Melo is not good at. Instead of getting up slow and complaining to the refs (while his man is running a fast break).....use that energy to sell your foul in real time, then get back on defense. This will make the ref look closer at the next foul on Melo. But when he just complains and complains....he's going to get even less calls.

Yup. And that points to his lack of leadership, emotional IQ, ...something that I am not pinpointing correctly.

Actually, it's on Fisher to say something and campaign and he hasn't. All of the top coaches in this league campaign for their players. Phil used to do this all of the time. Pretty sad Melo has to do his own work here.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

helloharv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:melo is too aggressive and physical for todays game to get those calls. Funny how a guy shooting a 3 gets nicked by a half inch, and he's taking free throws.

Yesterday they had 12 fouls called on 3 point attempts from various games..4 years ago they had 4 total for the entire season in the entire league.

that is a crazy crazy stat !

4 years ago only 4 fouls on 3 point shots for the entire season? That does not sound right.

remember, the adjustment to the 3 point shot for the defense is run them off the line at all costs. 4 years ago, defenses were still daring you to beat them with the 3. Time are extremely different. Look at the difference between last years archaic knicks defensive strategy and this years.

mreinman wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Unfortunately for Melo flopping is part of the game and its an art form. Just as a three pointer is or a turn around jumper he has to practice it. Take acting lessons if he must.

OK so maybe this is just semantic but for me there is a difference between flopping and selling a foul. One is an outright lie and the other is a heightened reaction to a foul that is surely there.

Melo got to sell his fouls more.

Flopping is something you either practice and it's part of your game. Selling a foul is slightly different, but it's where Melo is not good at. Instead of getting up slow and complaining to the refs (while his man is running a fast break).....use that energy to sell your foul in real time, then get back on defense. This will make the ref look closer at the next foul on Melo. But when he just complains and complains....he's going to get even less calls.

Yup. And that points to his lack of leadership, emotional IQ, ...something that I am not pinpointing correctly.

Actually, it's on Fisher to say something and campaign and he hasn't. All of the top coaches in this league campaign for their players. Phil used to do this all of the time. Pretty sad Melo has to do his own work here.

my heart bleeds for him

It should. It directly impacts results. I'm pretty sure you care about those.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Unfortunately for Melo flopping is part of the game and its an art form. Just as a three pointer is or a turn around jumper he has to practice it. Take acting lessons if he must.

OK so maybe this is just semantic but for me there is a difference between flopping and selling a foul. One is an outright lie and the other is a heightened reaction to a foul that is surely there.

Melo got to sell his fouls more.

Flopping is something you either practice and it's part of your game. Selling a foul is slightly different, but it's where Melo is not good at. Instead of getting up slow and complaining to the refs (while his man is running a fast break).....use that energy to sell your foul in real time, then get back on defense. This will make the ref look closer at the next foul on Melo. But when he just complains and complains....he's going to get even less calls.

Yup. And that points to his lack of leadership, emotional IQ, ...something that I am not pinpointing correctly.

Actually, it's on Fisher to say something and campaign and he hasn't. All of the top coaches in this league campaign for their players. Phil used to do this all of the time. Pretty sad Melo has to do his own work here.

my heart bleeds for him

It should. It directly impacts results. I'm pretty sure you care about those.

I do but instead of everyone saying all the time that this guys hates melo and that guy hates melo and the refs hate melo for not giving him the calls etc ... how about Melo figures out why melo is not getting calls and fix it. Do the refs like harden? No but he forces them to make calls. Melo almost forces them not to.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Unfortunately for Melo flopping is part of the game and its an art form. Just as a three pointer is or a turn around jumper he has to practice it. Take acting lessons if he must.

OK so maybe this is just semantic but for me there is a difference between flopping and selling a foul. One is an outright lie and the other is a heightened reaction to a foul that is surely there.

Melo got to sell his fouls more.

Flopping is something you either practice and it's part of your game. Selling a foul is slightly different, but it's where Melo is not good at. Instead of getting up slow and complaining to the refs (while his man is running a fast break).....use that energy to sell your foul in real time, then get back on defense. This will make the ref look closer at the next foul on Melo. But when he just complains and complains....he's going to get even less calls.

Yup. And that points to his lack of leadership, emotional IQ, ...something that I am not pinpointing correctly.

Actually, it's on Fisher to say something and campaign and he hasn't. All of the top coaches in this league campaign for their players. Phil used to do this all of the time. Pretty sad Melo has to do his own work here.

my heart bleeds for him

It should. It directly impacts results. I'm pretty sure you care about those.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

helloharv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:melo is too aggressive and physical for todays game to get those calls. Funny how a guy shooting a 3 gets nicked by a half inch, and he's taking free throws.

Yesterday they had 12 fouls called on 3 point attempts from various games..4 years ago they had 4 total for the entire season in the entire league.

that is a crazy crazy stat !

4 years ago only 4 fouls on 3 point shots for the entire season? That does not sound right.

remember, the adjustment to the 3 point shot for the defense is run them off the line at all costs. 4 years ago, defenses were still daring you to beat them with the 3. Time are extremely different. Look at the difference between last years archaic knicks defensive strategy and this years.

If I understand this right, four years ago 41 players had four point plays:
http://www.nbaminer.com/four-point-plays-and-one/

did you see my point about new defensive strategies?

Right, and I think you're right but I still don't think his number (4 in a year) was right.

Who ever called the GSW/Pacers game had called it out, It could have been a little longer than 4 yrs. It was still an alarming stat