codeunknown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

They'll go beyond your bullshyt 34 win prediction as well.

hey fvckhead welcome back. i said 34 was a likely win total, 41 wins if all goes well.

Listen you stupid little bitch, I've embarrassed you before in totality and I'll do it again. As usual, you say nothing, know nothing and give a range you believe is large enough to cover your dumb ass. Stop harassing other people year and go learn something before you open your mouth.

read my sig, limp dick

dk7th wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

They'll go beyond your bullshyt 34 win prediction as well.

hey fvckhead welcome back. i said 34 was a likely win total, 41 wins if all goes well.

Listen you stupid little bitch, I've embarrassed you before in totality and I'll do it again. As usual, you say nothing, know nothing and give a range you believe is large enough to cover your dumb ass. Stop harassing other people year and go learn something before you open your mouth.

read my sig, limp dick

You are so incredibly retarded. What is the low bound? Shut your mouth.

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Does Fisher get credit for coaching a good game today? Or does Phil get the credit today.

1969 and 1248 coached this game from their keyboards.

Are you kidding me, im never ever in favor of playing your entire bench, win or lose, I'm not backing down from that. I didn't get to see the game today, but how do you play 13 players, yet melo played 40 minutes. Seems to me that if your utilize your entire roster, that should keep every on pretty fresh.

I just think we get a lot of inconsistent play from the bench because the minutes are all over the place. Serph got solid minutes today and was able to find a rhythm. If you can't play a player 10 or more minutes, you shouldn't play them all

still trying to figure it all out ... got to try every thing

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

So your in favor of playing quin and dwill 3 to 6 minutes a piece, and play Lou and Lance 15 to 20 minutes a piece. Which mean you believe the latter 2 gives us a better chance to win..wow. I'm paying dwill and quin a combine 11 mill this season, to avg 8 minutes..

I'm ok with it because our coach knows a lot more than you do and he has rope to try things out. For me, this year is about finding the right rotation that will play the right way and set the correct foundation for our future. Our future is not now.

Andrew wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

They'll go beyond your bullshyt 34 win prediction as well.

hey fvckhead welcome back. i said 34 was a likely win total, 41 wins if all goes well.

Listen you stupid little bitch, I've embarrassed you before in totality and I'll do it again. As usual, you say nothing, know nothing and give a range you believe is large enough to cover your dumb ass. Stop harassing other people year and go learn something before you open your mouth.

read my sig, limp dick

You are so incredibly retarded. What is the low bound? Shut your mouth.

Both of you cut it out.

Police him or I leave. The culprit is obvious as is the track record. I have no issue either way.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

On pace to win 37 games, 4 spots out of 8th place in the East after spending 30 mil in the offseason...And you are some how proud of this..

You weren't so proud when we were 1-0 and on pace to win 82 games either.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

On pace to win 37 games, 4 spots out of 8th place in the East after spending 30 mil in the offseason...And you are some how proud of this..

most rationale people (fans, analysts, gm's) would say that 5-6 at this point and being in every game, rookies with promise, MUCH tougher defense, against a tough schedule is DEFINITELY EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS AND A VERY PLEASANT SURPRISE.

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

So your in favor of playing quin and dwill 3 to 6 minutes a piece, and play Lou and Lance 15 to 20 minutes a piece. Which mean you believe the latter 2 gives us a better chance to win..wow. I'm paying dwill and quin a combine 11 mill this season, to avg 8 minutes..

I'm ok with it because our coach knows a lot more than you do and he has rope to try things out. For me, this year is about finding the right rotation that will play the right way and set the correct foundation for our future. Our future is not now.

Oh my! If the Warriors had the same philosophy, they would have never been champion.

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

So your in favor of playing quin and dwill 3 to 6 minutes a piece, and play Lou and Lance 15 to 20 minutes a piece. Which mean you believe the latter 2 gives us a better chance to win..wow. I'm paying dwill and quin a combine 11 mill this season, to avg 8 minutes..

I'm ok with it because our coach knows a lot more than you do and he has rope to try things out. For me, this year is about finding the right rotation that will play the right way and set the correct foundation for our future. Our future is not now.

Oh my! If the Warriors had the same philosophy, they would have never been champion.

haha! perfect seguay ...

yes! the warriors had the same philosophy and that is why/how they build a team.

Knicks1969 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

So your in favor of playing quin and dwill 3 to 6 minutes a piece, and play Lou and Lance 15 to 20 minutes a piece. Which mean you believe the latter 2 gives us a better chance to win..wow. I'm paying dwill and quin a combine 11 mill this season, to avg 8 minutes..

in a situation where culture change is one of the main, overarching goals it becomes a balance between what someone is being paid/invested in, versus what you value in terms of learning how to win.

with williams there is no question of his raw talent compared with lance thomas. however, phil jackson won two titles as a player with knicks teams that valued teamwork over talent. you are likely too young to remember when cazzie russell was replaced by bill bradley, but as soon as bradley was inserted and cazzie sent to the bench, the knicks started to click, dave d notwithstanding. williams is like cazzie-- a superior talent but not savvy in terms of teamwork. lets also respect the facts: basketball is a game of skill, and thomas was properly coached likely his whole life through four years of college at duke. maybe you have an issue with duke players. williams? he arrived late to the game with only two years of college and may not have the intuition necessary to play in a system as sophisticated as the triangle.

williams is going to have to figure it out while in a knick uniform, regardless of what he is being paid. he remains a good risk.

as to o'quinn... at 4 million he is still a good value, in my opinion. he just needs to know his role in the big picture. by game twenty-five he should know what that role is and he will start playing better.

This is where I disagree with the most of you. We play to win the game, not to experiment with a certain lineup. All of that should have been figured out at training camp. Williams and KO are excellent talent, they were super productive when they were getting 20 minutes per night. During that time we had a winning record. Had Calderon and Sasha play better, we probably would have been a surprised team with a stellar record.

Seems like you are only thinking about the short term then. Goal is to make playoffs but a bigger goal for the team is to make PROGRESS. Develop the young guys. If you just hand out minutes with relatively no agenda, nothing gets done.

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:What executive steps in to set a rotation?

Phil decided to hire a neophyte like Fisher to coach; he has the credentials to tell fisher what to do

CUT THIS NEOPHYTE BULL ISH! Kidd was just as green and also struggled early. Fish isn't doing it all on his own. Even Phil would get input from his assistants. It's naive to think a head coach is all alone in his decision making. Fish will be getting insight from his staff and Phil on what works and what doesn't.

It's still to a large degree on the players to make it happen on the floor. It's been player mistakes and missed shots more than rotation decisions that are the reasons for losing. Just look at 4th qtr shooting for this team.

Fisher isn't a good coach..Our 4th quarter problems has a lot to do with Fisher..Firstly, Melo's minutes are totally wrong..Early on, Melo basically played the entire first and third quarters..He brought him back to late in the 4th in the early set of games..He was bringing Melo back at the 6 minute mark...He could only have real impact in just a few minutes when he gets warm in games...Go replay the SA 4th quarter and see Melo just had 3 minutes of impact in the 4th before the game was out of hand..

He has to pull Melo around the 4 min mark and reinsert him around the 9+ min mark..He reinserted Melo at the 10+ minute mark today..And can Seraphin get some freaking playing time??

knicks are 5-6. eleven games. give them until the 25th game to get things figured out. as it is they're on pace to eclipse espn bullshyt 25 game prediction, which you championed. maybe you should stfu.

So your in favor of playing quin and dwill 3 to 6 minutes a piece, and play Lou and Lance 15 to 20 minutes a piece. Which mean you believe the latter 2 gives us a better chance to win..wow. I'm paying dwill and quin a combine 11 mill this season, to avg 8 minutes..

in a situation where culture change is one of the main, overarching goals it becomes a balance between what someone is being paid/invested in, versus what you value in terms of learning how to win.

with williams there is no question of his raw talent compared with lance thomas. however, phil jackson won two titles as a player with knicks teams that valued teamwork over talent. you are likely too young to remember when cazzie russell was replaced by bill bradley, but as soon as bradley was inserted and cazzie sent to the bench, the knicks started to click, dave d notwithstanding. williams is like cazzie-- a superior talent but not savvy in terms of teamwork. lets also respect the facts: basketball is a game of skill, and thomas was properly coached likely his whole life through four years of college at duke. maybe you have an issue with duke players. williams? he arrived late to the game with only two years of college and may not have the intuition necessary to play in a system as sophisticated as the triangle.

williams is going to have to figure it out while in a knick uniform, regardless of what he is being paid. he remains a good risk.

as to o'quinn... at 4 million he is still a good value, in my opinion. he just needs to know his role in the big picture. by game twenty-five he should know what that role is and he will start playing better.

This is where I disagree with the most of you. We play to win the game, not to experiment with a certain lineup. All of that should have been figured out at training camp. Williams and KO are excellent talent, they were super productive when they were getting 20 minutes per night. During that time we had a winning record. Had Calderon and Sasha play better, we probably would have been a surprised team with a stellar record.

Seems like you are only thinking about the short term then. Goal is to make playoffs but a bigger goal for the team is to make PROGRESS. Develop the young guys. If you just hand out minutes with relatively no agenda, nothing gets done.

What have any of you seen from the coach to tell us that he is CAPABLE to set and stick with a constant rotation? Continuity is very valuable for a TEAM. When a dude knows that he is or will play. Certain amount of minutes per game, he is then emboldened to go out and play with confidence; which in return almost always show on the stat sheets.

The only time he was able to stick with a rotation was when most of the players wer Injured last season. This dude is sort of schizophrenic as a coach. If 14 dudes are available, he will use all of them