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The Knicks never disclosed any injury but said Friday that Lopez has had sore knees. He missed one preseason game and a practice for what the team called "recovery days." . . .

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Bonn1997 wrote:It's 5 games but Lopez has been really disappoint. I don't get why he can't rebound now.
Now? He averages 24mins and 5rebs for his career?!

5.0 in 21 min is way better than 4.6 in 27 min. Two years ago, he played 5 more mpg and averaged almost double the rebounds of this year.
Maybe it's an injury.

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11/5/2015 2:12 PM LAST EDITED: 11/5/2015 2:16 PM

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Bonn1997 wrote:It's 5 games but Lopez has been really disappoint. I don't get why he can't rebound now.
Now? He averages 24mins and 5rebs for his career?!

5.0 in 21 min is way better than 4.6 in 27 min. Two years ago, he played 5 more mpg and averaged almost double the rebounds of this year.
Maybe it's an injury.

How does he do against good teams? Specifically playoff teams? He averages fewer mins in the playoffs and Portland underwhelmed

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Bonn1997 wrote:It's 5 games but Lopez has been really disappoint. I don't get why he can't rebound now.
Now? He averages 24mins and 5rebs for his career?!

5.0 in 21 min is way better than 4.6 in 27 min. Two years ago, he played 5 more mpg and averaged almost double the rebounds of this year.
Maybe it's an injury.

he replaced those rebounds with assists

You can't really be judging him on such a small sample size right? Based on his last few seasons, did he not look like a smart signing?

No guarantees ever

so here is what phil is thinking ....

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There are too many bad teams in the League. Too many teams in general. Talent is very spread out and scarse. That is why you can't just go by stats

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Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:It's 5 games but Lopez has been really disappoint. I don't get why he can't rebound now.
Now? He averages 24mins and 5rebs for his career?!

5.0 in 21 min is way better than 4.6 in 27 min. Two years ago, he played 5 more mpg and averaged almost double the rebounds of this year.
Maybe it's an injury.
he replaced those rebounds with assists

You can't really be judging him on such a small sample size right? Based on his last few seasons, did he not look like a smart signing?
No guarantees ever

You can if you're impatient!

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Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:It's 5 games but Lopez has been really disappoint. I don't get why he can't rebound now.
Now? He averages 24mins and 5rebs for his career?!

5.0 in 21 min is way better than 4.6 in 27 min. Two years ago, he played 5 more mpg and averaged almost double the rebounds of this year.
Maybe it's an injury.
he replaced those rebounds with assists

You can't really be judging him on such a small sample size right? Based on his last few seasons, did he not look like a smart signing?
No guarantees ever

You can if you're impatient!

Hey we specialize in it so why not!

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They actually do track interior defense and RoLo has been elite in that regard. Teams shoot below their avg when he's defending the paint. KP and RoLo should complement each other well so I don't really see an issue here. It's early in the season and none of our players are really at peak form yet IMO.

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newyorknewyork wrote:I was going to create a Lopez is a dud thread but I will just use this.
He isn't cutting it. Maybe he can do some nice things here and there but he isn't productive enough and produces at the rate of a 18min bench player. We need an upgrade at the starting center position. KP is going to have to basically become KG/Dirk/Gasol PF/C.
Dieng from the Wolves is now being underused since they have Towns and they want to space the floor with a stretch 4 rather then go big with Towns and Dieng.
We need to get him before Dallas Mavericks do what they do and make a trade for him. His skill set is perfect for the triangle.
Lopez was the upgrade.
Not sure what some were expecting other than some think for the money we should be getting more.
The kid is no star and never will be. He is an average center who plays a lot of games, rebounds and defends the rim.
Might not like the price tag he got, but that's market rate in this time and place.
He is an upgrade over what we had last yr. But he still isnt anything to write home about. Im not going to complain about the price tag. Or expect him to turn into something he isn't. Instead we should look for a high caliber starting center. He can be a quality guy to have off the bench.

Maybe Guillermo ends up good, that would be nice

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BRIGGS wrote:Lopez is a back up NBA C or a tier 3 starter meaning he is worse than 2/3 of the starting C's in this league--but I view him as a guy who can play a good role off the bench.
I didnt want Monroe and WCS combo--that is absolutely true. But if I was given a choice of Lopez and Monroe I wouldve taken Monroe no questions asked.

Of course but Monroe didnt want to play here

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I'm very glad to see Lopez have a strong game. This is the guy we paid for.

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11/9/2015 10:33 AM

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Lopez has been pretty mediocre. We don't have a good sense of whether he's playing on tweaked knees. Bottom line is that his production is pretty low. Other posts/threads have cited how he makes the big man next to him a better rebounder with his boxing out. That might be the case.

I think as soon as later this season, we'll be thinking of KP as our defensive anchor (with his shot blocking), and will view guys like Lopez and KoQ as complementary Dale/Antonio Davis types.

I think it was pretty clear that Monroe was the best/most skilled big in the FA market. Oddly, if you think about it, it's somewhat surprising that Lopez didn't command the max.

Think back almost a decade to a time when all of these centers commanded max or close to it:
Eddy Curry (6/60m, Tyson Chandler (6/63m), Nene (6/60m), Dalembert (6, 65m).

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I think melo should go.

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11/9/2015 10:59 AM

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Monroe will put up his 16/11 type numbers with nice passing, sub-par D and minimal shot blocking.

I could make a case that I'd rather have him than Lopez, but I wasn't exactly shattered when we didn't get him.

We also have KOQ and Lopez for almost the same amount of $$ that Monroe cost...no doubt we have a better team because of this situation than we would have had with just Monroe.

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11/9/2015 11:03 AM

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Not trying to rip Lopez--dude is what he is, man. He's a pretty heady player who's trying out there and I respect the effort...but the fact of the matter is Greg Monroe is a better player than Robin Lopez. Lopez is a slight step up from Cole Aldrich (and that's debatable). Greg Monroe is a legit offensive presence on the interior and I think he's a better rebounder than Lopez too. Lopez isn't capable of 15/10 minimum (maybe closer to 20/10 if given enough shot-attempts and mins.) like Monroe is. And what was Monroe's reduced max again? $16mm a season, somewhere around there right? Man, for the $2.5-3mm more a year we could've gotten a much better player. Oh well. If Monroe truly didn't want to play here, OK, nothing we can do about that but if we really didn't offer this man the max (again, a reduced max) and we never bothered to tell him why and our thinking on the matter (did we plan on using the money to get another good player like an Afflalo or D-Will--at least that's a good reason) then Phil's nuts. Simple as that. I know the Knicks have said they offered the max and his agent said so but part of me still feels like we may not have. I dunno--it was the 1st thing reported and where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

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11/9/2015 11:14 AM LAST EDITED: 11/9/2015 11:21 AM

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WaltLongmire wrote:Monroe will put up his 16/11 type numbers with nice passing, sub-par D and minimal shot blocking.
I could make a case that I'd rather have him than Lopez, but I wasn't exactly shattered when we didn't get him.
We also have KOQ and Lopez for almost the same amount of $$ that Monroe cost...no doubt we have a better team because of this situation than we would have had with just Monroe.

You know what Walt, having said my peace just now, that's a good way of looking at it. Lopez + KOQ vs. just Monroe might very well turn out to be a wash, maybe we even make out better here in the long run. That's a good way of looking at it I guess -- it'd be nice to put KOQ in a position where we can get a little more out of him, though. I know KP playing well affects O'Quinn's PT but still, gotta find a way to get more out of him somehow, maybe at the expense of Lopez. KP/O'quinn is a tandem we might want to see a little more of..

My main criticism of Lopez that I didn't really know, not having seen him play regularly before we picked him up--he's giving effort but is it me or does he look extraordinarily SLOW out there? Everything he does is SLOW--his pursuit of rebounds, his holding the ball on offense (granted this may not be his fault though--guys need to cut more and get themselves open--and Lopez isn't really turning it over here, so that's good) and his offensive moves are not only awkward but it takes him FOREVER to get his shots off. That's what will continue to hold this guy back imo--he's just slow reacting to everything around him it seems.

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Finestrg wrote:Not trying to rip Lopez--dude is what he is, man. He's a pretty heady player who's trying out there and I respect the effort...but the fact of the matter is Greg Monroe is a better player than Robin Lopez. Lopez is a slight step up from Cole Aldrich (and that's debatable). Greg Monroe is a legit offensive presence on the interior and I think he's a better rebounder than Lopez too. Lopez isn't capable of 15/10 minimum (maybe closer to 20/10 if given enough shot-attempts and mins.) like Monroe is. And what was Monroe's reduced max again? $16mm a season, somewhere around there right? Man, for the $2.5-3mm more a year we could've gotten a much better player. Oh well. If Monroe truly didn't want to play here, OK, nothing we can do about that but if we really didn't offer this man the max (again, a reduced max) and we never bothered to tell him why and our thinking on the matter (did we plan on using the money to get another good player like an Afflalo or D-Will--at least that's a good reason) then Phil's nuts. Simple as that. I know the Knicks have said they offered the max and his agent said so but part of me still feels like we may not have. I dunno--it was the 1st thing reported and where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

weak post man! You completely ignored every part of the game other than offense.

Monroe is an horrendous defender.

Did you watch the game yesterday?

so here is what phil is thinking ....

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