Would Melo fair as well playing next to Keith Van Horn, Mutumbo and Doleac as Marbury did until Isiah blew that's team up for Tim Thomas & Nazr?
Put up or shut up time. That is where I'm at

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Instead of refraining from posting all together how about we wait until the Knicks with Melo become a legitimate contender. I love guarantee you there will be very little Melo hate if any. This is the year for the Knicks to show drastic improvement and an initial step towards building a winning culture and ultimately contending. This is out up or shut up time for Melo. As others have said, you better believe Phil and Derek are trying to finally get through to him. He will either be better for it or it's going to be sayonara Melo to Washington, Charlotte or Chicago.

It's a stupid argument..You can't be a contender without all stars on your roster...When you come up against 5 hall of fame players on the Spurs roster and then lose, later start a thread saying you can't win with Melo, it's a bit misleading..Silly to be honest...Knicks are not built to compete at the next level..Spurs are honing their skills for the playoffs, toying with us as ATL was...Spurs weren't playing hard at all..Aldridge didn't play the entire second quarter..

I personally want to see Melo traded..I'm a big fan of the game..I want to see if he has what it takes to compete at the next level..I want to see that of all top players in this league..I wanted to see it here but that won't happen given our off season..The Clippers had big time trouble last year because their "stars" couldn't take the next step..Curry took the next step in the playoffs and it was great to see him grow as a player...You saw both instances plain as day..That's what this is all about..Ain't about getting your favorite player in Uni..I want to see competitive ball...I could care less who is in Uni as long as we win..

I don't believe that statement for a bit. Knicks had the game down to 4 or 5 points in the 4th. And Leonard and Duncan played 36, 35 minutes respectively and that is way more than their averages, especially considering the back-to-back. Aldridge played 32. Perhaps the Knicks were beating down the doors more than they would like, but this was a game.

When you say it's a game is when there is a back and forth with lead changes like against Washington..Most of the second half we were trailing 10 points more or less except the late 3rd/early 4th where we worked it to 5 pts..Pop brought back Leonard, Parker and Aldridge and stretched the lead back to 10..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Instead of refraining from posting all together how about we wait until the Knicks with Melo become a legitimate contender. I love guarantee you there will be very little Melo hate if any. This is the year for the Knicks to show drastic improvement and an initial step towards building a winning culture and ultimately contending. This is out up or shut up time for Melo. As others have said, you better believe Phil and Derek are trying to finally get through to him. He will either be better for it or it's going to be sayonara Melo to Washington, Charlotte or Chicago.

It's a stupid argument..You can't be a contender without all stars on your roster...When you come up against 5 hall of fame players on the Spurs roster and then lose, later start a thread saying you can't win with Melo, it's a bit misleading..Silly to be honest...Knicks are not built to compete at the next level..Spurs are honing their skills for the playoffs, toying with us as ATL was...Spurs weren't playing hard at all..Aldridge didn't play the entire second quarter..

I personally want to see Melo traded..I'm a big fan of the game..I want to see if he has what it takes to compete at the next level..I want to see that of all top players in this league..I wanted to see it here but that won't happen given our off season..The Clippers had big time trouble last year because their "stars" couldn't take the next step..Curry took the next step in the playoffs and it was great to see him grow as a player...You saw both instances plain as day..That's what this is all about..Ain't about getting your favorite player in Uni..I want to see competitive ball...I could care less who is in Uni as long as we win..

then don't defend him taking the money over an opportunity to win. u come across as a hypocrite.

My desires also embraces reality..Its a business and no one will leave 60 mil on the table, not even David West.. A few years back, the catcher for KC Royals signed a long term deal with his club for about 1 mil a year for about 10 year..I think it gets bumped up to 5 mil per in the 7th or 8th year, club option ..He is a stud..He was naive to sign that deal new to the country and without an agent..U think KC will do the right thing and pay the kid his true value knowing they took advantage of him? ..Do you now think highly of him knowing his employer is pocketing the money he has help them earned reaching back to back World Series?

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Instead of refraining from posting all together how about we wait until the Knicks with Melo become a legitimate contender. I love guarantee you there will be very little Melo hate if any. This is the year for the Knicks to show drastic improvement and an initial step towards building a winning culture and ultimately contending. This is out up or shut up time for Melo. As others have said, you better believe Phil and Derek are trying to finally get through to him. He will either be better for it or it's going to be sayonara Melo to Washington, Charlotte or Chicago.

It's a stupid argument..You can't be a contender without all stars on your roster...When you come up against 5 hall of fame players on the Spurs roster and then lose, later start a thread saying you can't win with Melo, it's a bit misleading..Silly to be honest...Knicks are not built to compete at the next level..Spurs are honing their skills for the playoffs, toying with us as ATL was...Spurs weren't playing hard at all..Aldridge didn't play the entire second quarter..

I personally want to see Melo traded..I'm a big fan of the game..I want to see if he has what it takes to compete at the next level..I want to see that of all top players in this league..I wanted to see it here but that won't happen given our off season..The Clippers had big time trouble last year because their "stars" couldn't take the next step..Curry took the next step in the playoffs and it was great to see him grow as a player...You saw both instances plain as day..That's what this is all about..Ain't about getting your favorite player in Uni..I want to see competitive ball...I could care less who is in Uni as long as we win..

then don't defend him taking the money over an opportunity to win. u come across as a hypocrite.

My desires also embraces reality..Its a business and no one will leave 60 mil on the table, not even David West.. A few years back, the catcher for KC Royals signed a long term deal with his club for about 1 mil a year for about 10 year..I think it gets bumped up to 5 mil per in the 7th or 8th year, club option ..He is a stud..He was naive to sign that deal new to the country and without an agent..U think KC will do the right thing and pay the kid his true value knowing they took advantage of him? ..Do you now think highly of him knowing his employer is pocketing the money he has help them earned with reaching back to back World Series?

i thought it was agreed that you're not allowed to compare baseball to basketball. besides, the kid won and he is happy and is a hero and is universally loved. does he have fu money? no, but almost. is he a made man? yes. is melo? no.

alex rodriguez is 700 times richer and miserable.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Instead of refraining from posting all together how about we wait until the Knicks with Melo become a legitimate contender. I love guarantee you there will be very little Melo hate if any. This is the year for the Knicks to show drastic improvement and an initial step towards building a winning culture and ultimately contending. This is out up or shut up time for Melo. As others have said, you better believe Phil and Derek are trying to finally get through to him. He will either be better for it or it's going to be sayonara Melo to Washington, Charlotte or Chicago.

It's a stupid argument..You can't be a contender without all stars on your roster...When you come up against 5 hall of fame players on the Spurs roster and then lose, later start a thread saying you can't win with Melo, it's a bit misleading..Silly to be honest...Knicks are not built to compete at the next level..Spurs are honing their skills for the playoffs, toying with us as ATL was...Spurs weren't playing hard at all..Aldridge didn't play the entire second quarter..

I personally want to see Melo traded..I'm a big fan of the game..I want to see if he has what it takes to compete at the next level..I want to see that of all top players in this league..I wanted to see it here but that won't happen given our off season..The Clippers had big time trouble last year because their "stars" couldn't take the next step..Curry took the next step in the playoffs and it was great to see him grow as a player...You saw both instances plain as day..That's what this is all about..Ain't about getting your favorite player in Uni..I want to see competitive ball...I could care less who is in Uni as long as we win..

then don't defend him taking the money over an opportunity to win. u come across as a hypocrite.

My desires also embraces reality..Its a business and no one will leave 60 mil on the table, not even David West.. A few years back, the catcher for KC Royals signed a long term deal with his club for about 1 mil a year for about 10 year..I think it gets bumped up to 5 mil per in the 7th or 8th year, club option ..He is a stud..He was naive to sign that deal new to the country and without an agent..U think KC will do the right thing and pay the kid his true value knowing they took advantage of him? ..Do you now think highly of him knowing his employer is pocketing the money he has help them earned with reaching back to back World Series?

i thought it was agreed that you're not allowed to compare baseball to basketball. besides, the kid won and he is happy and is a hero and is universally loved. does he have fu money? no, but almost. is he a made man? yes. is melo? no.

alex rodriguez is 700 times richer and miserable.

C'mon ... melo was not going to leave 60 million on the table and its silly for anyone to expect him to.

gunsnewing wrote:I miss Bonn and all the other posters who backed up their points with facts and statistics which can be disproven. The posters who dealt in reality and not fantasy

Well meet me in off topic to explain backwards with facts then?

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I miss Bonn and all the other posters who backed up their points with facts and statistics which can be disproven. The posters who dealt in reality and not fantasy

Well meet me in off topic to explain backwards with facts then?

Yes please, thanks.

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I miss Bonn and all the other posters who backed up their points with facts and statistics which can be disproven. The posters who dealt in reality and not fantasy

didnt even realize bonn wasn't around anymore lol

I don't think anyone but me did lol

Which is so strange to me. He was a fixture here. I bet he got sick off all the infighting and whinning. Used to annoy me now I just watch it from afar and laugh

he posted here today. I agree. Very good poster.