ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We will get killed on the boards with a Melo/Lopez at PF/C

Sure Melo might play some PF vs some of the pathetic teams in the East but this is typical training camp fodder. If the past 4yrs showed us anything it is to not but too much stock into anything Melo says during training camp. So IMO this is being completely blown out of proportion. A lot of fuss about nothing.

Besides when was the last time a $25mil "franchise" basketball player had to be moved to to a different position to be successful? This isn't baseball where you just shuffle jus around because they are old or suffered a career altering injury

Disagree completely on all points

Guns is right though. You can play small ball at times and get away with it depending on the matchup.

At the end of the day, Melo is a small forward, not a 4, and should play the majority of his minutes at the 3.

Let's see Melo try defending LaMarcus Aldridge. Or Blake. Or Zack Randolph.

Unless you want your $25 million player on the bench with foul trouble, you'd have to switch off Robin Lopez on him, and there begins the conundrum. The whole team defense suffers.

And don't start with Derrick Williams at the 3 and 4 can interchange BS with Melo....guy's on like his 10th team for a reason!

George Karl was the last man to coach Derrick Williams.

This is what Karl had to say about Williams after the 6-8 forward turned in a zero-rebound game in April:

"You shouldn't be playing 20 minutes a game and not get a rebound. I mean, the Coke machine can get a rebound some nights"

I like Lopez, but he is not a Monroe/Jordan type rebounder. You put Anthony at the 4, with Lopez at 5, and start Williams at 3, and we are not going to be getting many rebounds. Other than Anthony, we don't really have a SF who can put up consistent rebounding numbers.

I think Anthony can defend against Aldridge, by the way. I don't consider him to be a terrible defender at the 4, and don't mind him playing there when the match-ups warrant it, but this team was not put together for him to be getting the majority of his minutes there, IMO.

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We will get killed on the boards with a Melo/Lopez at PF/C

Sure Melo might play some PF vs some of the pathetic teams in the East but this is typical training camp fodder. If the past 4yrs showed us anything it is to not but too much stock into anything Melo says during training camp. So IMO this is being completely blown out of proportion. A lot of fuss about nothing.

Besides when was the last time a $25mil "franchise" basketball player had to be moved to to a different position to be successful? This isn't baseball where you just shuffle jus around because they are old or suffered a career altering injury

Disagree completely on all points

Guns is right though. You can play small ball at times and get away with it depending on the matchup.

At the end of the day, Melo is a small forward, not a 4, and should play the majority of his minutes at the 3.

Let's see Melo try defending LaMarcus Aldridge. Or Blake. Or Zack Randolph.

Unless you want your $25 million player on the bench with foul trouble, you'd have to switch off Robin Lopez on him, and there begins the conundrum. The whole team defense suffers.

And don't start with Derrick Williams at the 3 and 4 can interchange BS with Melo....guy's on like his 10th team for a reason!

He actually defends the post well and usually when he played the 4 against the Griz they would put him on Gasol. Melo uses his quick hands and will usually keep his hands straight up. The knicks will want to take advantage of Porzingis and his ability to space the floor at the 5 against slower defenders. I think they hope his defense and hopefully efficient offense will give them what they wanted in Barganni and Bargs Jr.

There will be times when they have to guard US!
Put him in at the 4 and KP at the 3. Hey, not saying you do this all the time but try guarding that!!!

Not gonna worry about what spews out of these guys mouths, lets see what happens on the court.

Nalod wrote:I want to see those guys try to guard Melo!!!!

There will be times when they have to guard US!
Put him in at the 4 and KP at the 3. Hey, not saying you do this all the time but try guarding that!!!

Not gonna worry about what spews out of these guys mouths, lets see what happens on the court.

It's easy to counter, though. Memphis will just put Tony Allen on Melo.

San An will put David West on Melo where he usually roughs him up.

Won't even mention Blake, as he's owned the Knicks and won the last 4 matchups with Melo.

Melo is so predictable at the 4. Jab step jab step, try the baseline blow by or Dirk fallaway. You put either a quicker guy or stronger guy, and Melo wilts.

Results show the last 2 seasons.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:I want to see those guys try to guard Melo!!!!

There will be times when they have to guard US!
Put him in at the 4 and KP at the 3. Hey, not saying you do this all the time but try guarding that!!!

Not gonna worry about what spews out of these guys mouths, lets see what happens on the court.

It's easy to counter, though. Memphis will just put Tony Allen on Melo.

San An will put David West on Melo where he usually roughs him up.

Won't even mention Blake, as he's owned the Knicks and won the last 4 matchups with Melo.

Melo is so predictable at the 4. Jab step jab step, try the baseline blow by or Dirk fallaway. You put either a quicker guy or stronger guy, and Melo wilts.

Results show the last 2 seasons.

West cant guard him on the parameter!!! Melo can shoot over Allen, and the two times we play the Clippers Melo can stay at the three.
I don't think he plays the 4 a lot, but "More"? If the knee is fine, so be it.

Before y'all go nuts the phrase was he'll thinks he'll play "more" than last season. Not always, not a lot, just more than nothing.
So cancel the subscriptions and love on Brook, Thaddeus and Andrea!

West can guard him on the perimeter just fine, if he keeps him 18-20 feet extended. That's the lowest percentage shot in the book, the long two pointer! If he decides to bring it closer to the rim, not only will he get bodied by West, he'll face 14 feet of Duncan and Aldridge.

Same business with Allen. Let Melo operate in the 18-20 foot space all day. Clank long 2s off the rim. And if he decides to drive, Gasol is waiting for him.

Don't need to mention Blake, he can guard him straight up. And if by chance he blows by, Deandre is waiting.

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:I want to see those guys try to guard Melo!!!!

There will be times when they have to guard US!
Put him in at the 4 and KP at the 3. Hey, not saying you do this all the time but try guarding that!!!

Not gonna worry about what spews out of these guys mouths, lets see what happens on the court.

It's easy to counter, though. Memphis will just put Tony Allen on Melo.

San An will put David West on Melo where he usually roughs him up.

Won't even mention Blake, as he's owned the Knicks and won the last 4 matchups with Melo.

Melo is so predictable at the 4. Jab step jab step, try the baseline blow by or Dirk fallaway. You put either a quicker guy or stronger guy, and Melo wilts.

Results show the last 2 seasons.

he's got to play the 3 or the team goes out of whack. the writing is on the wall!

Exactly. It's like people want to believe he can play the 4, Melo included. He can't!

It's been proven that he can't. The last 2 years proven he can't. Certain matchups sure. But to open his mouth and say this:

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https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/648508014023036928

Stupidity at it's highest level. We just drafted a power forward and signed like 12 more!!!!

He probably meant he'll see some time at the 4, but the way he said it seems like it'll be where he'll make his paycheck. He just can't shut the phuck up for once.

Carmelo Anthony doesn’t think Kristaps Porzingis knows what he’s in for, in terms of the scrutiny and pressure he will face in his debut season with the Knicks.

To ease the 7-foot-3 Lativan rookie’s transition, Anthony declared he wants to be his “big brother’’ because he “feels bad for him.’’

That’s a largely different sentiment to rumors he was upset over Phil Jackson drafting Porzingis.

“As far as him going into this season, I kind of feel bad for him,’’ Anthony said during Monday’s Media Day in Tarrytown. “There’s so much pressure on him. This guy hasn’t played one minute in the NBA. I’m going to try be a big brother to him and try to take the pressure off. There’s going to be so much pressure he’s never experienced yet. He’s 19 years old, first time in the NBA. This is new to him. A newcomer in New York. That’s tough. I don’t think he knows what he’s getting himself into. I have to be that role for him.’’

Anthony said he wants to be a “sounding board’’ for Porzingis.

“I’ll be there for him,’’ Anthony said.

Porzingis, who turned 20 in August, was selected No. 4 in the draft by the Knicks, a move met by derision by the fans who had read he was a project needing a couple of years to develop. But in Las Vegas summer league, Porzingis showed enough promise that he will vie for the starting power-forward job in training camp.

Anthony reportedly was disappointed by the pick because he wanted a player further along in his development. Anthony repeatedly has denied that.

“We got him at No. 4,’’ Anthony said. “What I think is a bit irrelevant. I’ve shown everybody that I support him. KP and I know our relationship. That’s all that matters. It doesn’t matter what someone else might speculate.’’

The 31-year-old Anthony’s recovery from major knee surgery and Porzingis’ development are keys to the Knicks’ fortunes. Porzingis may need a few years to reach prominence, and that may not overlap with Anthony’s prime.

“My window is open,” Anthony said. “I don’t think it’s closing.”

Porzingis already is picking up some NBA tricks from Anthony.

“We played a lot of 1-on-1 for four weeks straight,’’ Porzingis said. “I was trying, as I played against him, showing me all these moves, I was trying to learn from it – how to do this and that. I’m trying to learn as much as I can from him asking him questions. I’m trying to get as much information as I can.’’

Porzingis says he’s won their 1-on-1 battles “a few times,’’ but Anthony has the decided edge.

The Post reported in early September that Porzingis had gained 11 pounds since weight training began in August. Porzingis said he’s still at that mark and feels he’ll play at that weight – around 242 – this season. He said he hopes to eventually be able to guard centers, but admits: “I still need to get stronger.’’

If Porzingis shows he’s not ready to start, Anthony indicated he could be the starting power forward a la 2012-13.

“I’m pretty sure I’ll be at the 4 [more], especially the makeup of the team,’’ Anthony said.

Anthony is the last player left from when Jackson took over, and he believes that shows the Zen Master’s belief in him.

“That’s a good thing, I hope,’’ Anthony said. “To see the process Phil has taken from when he came to now and me to be that one guy still here – you guys don’t write about it – but I think Phil believes in me because I’m still here. Being the centerpiece of this, I respect that. And I don’t want to let him down.’’

Amazing how some of you take verbatim what comes out of these guys mouths as if the prophecy is being delivered to you!!!!

Year in and year out NBA players spew the biggest lines of crap to feed what ever you want to hear.

But the way he sees it is Zinger don't play much, Two deep at center and O'Quinn backs him up with Affalo and DWilliams at the 3.
That's not what I saw but with injuries and depth I see his point perhaps. Over time I can see KP playing more if he earns it. I expect a learning curve for the kid. Maybe Melo don't see the kid playing more then 7 min a nite?? at first??

Two years ago he played some at the 4 and he intimated he'll be doing it more this year than last. I think his expectation is to be hea

Who cares what he says, its what he does.

This is not rocket science people. It's simple Melo likes to post up like a PF but he doesn't have to actually defend the PF on the other end. We played Melo with PF's on the floor last year and there was no issue. This offense was originally called the Triple Post Offense for a reason. The 3, 4 and 5 have clear post positions in this offense and even the PG or SG can be in a post up at any time. The natural motion in the offense makes it possible to play with multiple post players with ease. All the Give n Go actions and cuts keep the options open for anyone to be in a post up position, therefore there really is no issue with Melo saying he'll be playing PF since really it doesn't matter what he calls himself.