dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There is a reoccurring theme that getting rid of JR and Shump was essentially what held us back..I think we had bigger problems that that..But they are now gone..We should be winning now I hope..

you expect them to win 31 games, if i recall.. that isn't winning, that's simply getting better.

Phil thought we would make the playoffs last year..I didn't...If Phil is building a team that wins 17 or 30 games when he thinks he is actually fielding a playoff team then changes needs to be made correct?

If you are spending every penny of cap space on free agents, you are trying to win..

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:There is a reoccurring theme that getting rid of JR and Shump was essentially what held us back..I think we had bigger problems that that..But they are now gone..We should be winning now I hope..

I think if you are disrespectful/and or try to sabbotage the coach like those guys were to Woodson you move them. Teams that are successful don't keep guys like that around. Shump, JR,and Tyson were ridiculous in their behavior during Woodson's last year.

The horse already left the barn bro..No point in locking the gates after the fact..Their disrespect was a product of the fact he was done in NY..

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:There is a reoccurring theme that getting rid of JR and Shump was essentially what held us back..I think we had bigger problems that that..But they are now gone..We should be winning now I hope..

I think if you are disrespectful/and or try to sabbotage the coach like those guys were to Woodson you move them. Teams that are successful don't keep guys like that around. Shump, JR,and Tyson were ridiculous in their behavior during Woodson's last year.

The horse already left the barn bro..No point in locking the gates after the fact..Their disrespect was a product of the fact he was done in NY..

Their disrespect spoke a lot to their character.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:There is a reoccurring theme that getting rid of JR and Shump was essentially what held us back..I think we had bigger problems that that..But they are now gone..We should be winning now I hope..

I think if you are disrespectful/and or try to sabbotage the coach like those guys were to Woodson you move them. Teams that are successful don't keep guys like that around. Shump, JR,and Tyson were ridiculous in their behavior during Woodson's last year.

The horse already left the barn bro..No point in locking the gates after the fact..Their disrespect was a product of the fact he was done in NY..

Their disrespect spoke a lot to their character.

It also spoke a lot of the organization..These same players went elsewhere and kept their shet in check and helped their respective teams..

F'n Front Runners!!!! JR and Shump in extremely reduced roles next to Lebron? It really isn't saying much. In the end it no longer matters. We have an improved roster in terms of player character and it's not just a little better. It's a Grand Canyon sized improvement in that regard and ALL Knicks fans should be happy about the change. There is nothing negative to discuss when it comes to the character of the players we've added. This is at least a group of hungry guys that want to be here. Coming in with the right mental disposition could make all the difference.

The Knicks roster may not have added big names, but there is still some really good potential on the roster. Hopefully they catch some lightning in a bottle with a few of these players. It's good to have some guys you genuinely want to root for again. Guys with a positive outlook and some under the radar talent. They still have work to do in building this roster up, but it's a nice start IMO.

They went to the Finals!!..What measuring stick are u using???..U don't get bonus points for running the triangle...

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:There is a reoccurring theme that getting rid of JR and Shump was essentially what held us back..I think we had bigger problems that that..But they are now gone..We should be winning now I hope..

I think if you are disrespectful/and or try to sabbotage the coach like those guys were to Woodson you move them. Teams that are successful don't keep guys like that around. Shump, JR,and Tyson were ridiculous in their behavior during Woodson's last year.

The horse already left the barn bro..No point in locking the gates after the fact..Their disrespect was a product of the fact he was done in NY..

Their disrespect spoke a lot to their character.

It also spoke a lot of the organization..These same players went elsewhere and kept their shet in check and helped their respective teams..

F'n Front Runners!!!! JR and Shump in extremely reduced roles next to Lebron? It really isn't saying much. In the end it no longer matters. We have an improved roster in terms of player character and it's not just a little better. It's a Grand Canyon sized improvement in that regard and ALL Knicks fans should be happy about the change. There is nothing negative to discuss when it comes to the character of the players we've added. This is at least a group of hungry guys that want to be here. Coming in with the right mental disposition could make all the difference.

The Knicks roster may not have added big names, but there is still some really good potential on the roster. Hopefully they catch some lightning in a bottle with a few of these players. It's good to have some guys you genuinely want to root for again. Guys with a positive outlook and some under the radar talent. They still have work to do in building this roster up, but it's a nice start IMO.

They went to the Finals!!..What measuring stick are u using???..U don't get bonus points for running the triangle...

What part of Front Running did you not understand? JR and Shump aren't without talent so yeah put them with Lebron, Kyrie, Moz and you better do something with such reduced roles. When it really comes down to it they had a chance for more prominent roles in NY and they spit the bit. Really don't care what they do now as they aren't on the Knicks anymore. There are far more interesting things to be concerned with on this team now. We've got some players to watch and see how they develop.

You can stay in your jaded and dark little world but the team you claim to root for has some players you should be happy to root for now. I'm into spending my time rooting for players that want to be here and succeed here. Every Knick fan should be excited to watch this team and the new talent we've added. IMO we won't be missing JR and Shump.

Shump at $10mil is not a price we should pay. A championship contending team that needs a parameter defender and is over the cap should and did sign him. They have 3 all stars. We don't. on top of that they have the love child of Jordan, Magic and Karl Malone who loves to pass the ball.
We have a perennial all star Melo. Not bad, but on Mt Rushmore.

JR and Shump right there with Delevadova as one of the solid role guys on a team that went to the finals. JR and Shump were role players on a team that failed. You don't pay 10mil to a role player unless your succeeding and over the cap. You don't spend that money until you have main guys on the roster. JR was not part of the future.

You don't get points for playing the triangle, but if your on a team that does, you failed.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:There is a reoccurring theme that getting rid of JR and Shump was essentially what held us back..I think we had bigger problems that that..But they are now gone..We should be winning now I hope..

I think if you are disrespectful/and or try to sabbotage the coach like those guys were to Woodson you move them. Teams that are successful don't keep guys like that around. Shump, JR,and Tyson were ridiculous in their behavior during Woodson's last year.

The horse already left the barn bro..No point in locking the gates after the fact..Their disrespect was a product of the fact he was done in NY..

Their disrespect spoke a lot to their character.

It also spoke a lot of the organization..These same players went elsewhere and kept their shet in check and helped their respective teams..

F'n Front Runners!!!! JR and Shump in extremely reduced roles next to Lebron? It really isn't saying much. In the end it no longer matters. We have an improved roster in terms of player character and it's not just a little better. It's a Grand Canyon sized improvement in that regard and ALL Knicks fans should be happy about the change. There is nothing negative to discuss when it comes to the character of the players we've added. This is at least a group of hungry guys that want to be here. Coming in with the right mental disposition could make all the difference.

The Knicks roster may not have added big names, but there is still some really good potential on the roster. Hopefully they catch some lightning in a bottle with a few of these players. It's good to have some guys you genuinely want to root for again. Guys with a positive outlook and some under the radar talent. They still have work to do in building this roster up, but it's a nice start IMO.

They went to the Finals!!..What measuring stick are u using???..U don't get bonus points for running the triangle...

What part of Front Running did you not understand? JR and Shump aren't without talent so yeah put them with Lebron, Kyrie, Moz and you better do something with such reduced roles. When it really comes down to it they had a chance for more prominent roles in NY and they spit the bit. Really don't care what they do now as they aren't on the Knicks anymore. There are far more interesting things to be concerned with on this team now. We've got some players to watch and see how they develop.

You can stay in your jaded and dark little world but the team you claim to root for has some players you should be happy to root for now. I'm into spending my time rooting for players that want to be here and succeed here. Every Knick fan should be excited to watch this team and the new talent we've added. IMO we won't be missing JR and Shump.

Hhahaha..More prominent roles on a last place team versus a team in the Finals??..Truly delusional..What was Steve Kerr thinking..Why play for GS when u can be a prominent dude on the Sixers..

Your role on a team has nothing to do with whether the team is winning or not. If you are a top rotation player and that team is depending on your production then you have a prominent role. WTF did JR or Shump really have to do on the Cavs? They weren't carrying the action or making plays. They had less to do and in those reduced roles they had it easier and it made them look like better players than they actually are. Once they were really needed they once again failed to deliver as they did on the Knicks. If they played better the Cavs might've won the Title but they couldn't do it.

JR Smith in the Finals
G  Tm	Opp         GS MP     FG FGA   FG%  3P  3PA  3P%  FT  FTA  FT%   ORB  DRB  TRB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS  GmSc  +/-
13 CLE	@GSW  L(-8) 0  34:21  3	 13   .231  3   10  .300  0   0	         0    4    4	0    0    0    0    2	9    1.5   -8	
14 CLE	@GSW  W(+2) 0  38:12  5	 13   .385  2	5   .400  1   2	  .500	 0    4	   4	0    1	  0    2    6	13   3.3   -13	
15 CLE	GSW   W(+5) 0  31:47  4	 9    .444  2	5   .400  0   0	         0    4    4	1    0	  2    0    1	10   8.2    0	
16 CLE	GSW   L(-21)0  27:34  2	 12   .167  0	8   .000  0   0	         1    1    2    2    0	  0    0    4	4   -2.8   -27	
17 CLE	@GSW  L(-13)0  35:42  5	 15   .333  4	14  .286  0   0	         1    6    7	2    1	  2    1    3	14   9.6   -6	
18 CLE	GSW   L(-8) 0  34:16  5	 15   .333  4	9   .444  5   8	  .625	 0    5	   5	1    1	  1    1    3	19   11.0  -7	

So by your definition, JR and Shump have prominent roles on Cleveland..

If they played better the Cavs might've won the Title but they couldn't do it.

this is why grant needs to take over the rains at pg he's a pass first pg who d's up and can penetrate and dish also a proven leader.

I thought this thread was about the Knicks who the **** cares about jr and shump there both brick city cuckers shump couldn't penetrate to save his life and his defense was extremely over rated. And jr is always going to crumble when the spotlight is on him... I think I speak for 98% of fans by saying thank god there gone.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There is a reoccurring theme that getting rid of JR and Shump was essentially what held us back..I think we had bigger problems that that..But they are now gone..We should be winning now I hope..

you expect them to win 31 games, if i recall.. that isn't winning, that's simply getting better.

Phil thought we would make the playoffs last year..I didn't...If Phil is building a team that wins 17 or 30 games when he thinks he is actually fielding a playoff team then changes needs to be made correct?

If you are spending every penny of cap space on free agents, you are trying to win..

it was his first year and a learning curve is involved. he overreached in his playoff assumption, and when he realized he did, he eventually took ownership of that.

he hasn't made and isn't going to make any sort of prediction other than to say they will be improved and have a chance to be a good team. that translates to winning more games, probably within the range many have been speaking about, including yourself.

it sounds like you are waiting for him to make the same kind of prediction so he can set himself up for looking like a fool. i don't think he is going to give you that opportunity.

they will win between 29-41 games and that should be acceptable to all but the haters.

It should be fun watching you straddle the line of expecting Melo to win the East with this team and Phil giving another year's pass as he figures out how to win 30 games in his sophomore year...

no straddle now or in the future. it's september. lets see a couple of preseason games before we start narrowing the wins and losses prediction. meantime it should be a hoot seeing you crapping on the new players in game threads. who are you targeting?

I always root for Knick players and the team to succeed..I do however, recognize scrubs..I'm more of the realist ilk...After Melo there is a big drop off in talent and our record will reflect that..Phil coaching the team from the GM box doesn't help...Fisher being inadequate is a non starter but onward...Triangle rules!!

My original defense of JR was people like yourself expecting peak playoff performance on a blown out knee while he was here...Others were just making up timeline of events which proved untrue...JR has done enough shet in his life where things don't need to be made up or tp expect unrealistic performance during an injury..His bad choices are enough..I'm sure u guys have enough fuel to run on the legit stuff he can be blamed for...

holfresh wrote:I always root for Knick players and the team to succeed..I do however, recognize scrubs..I'm more of the realist ilk...After Melo there is a big drop off in talent and our record will reflect that..Phil coaching the team from the GM box doesn't help...Fisher being inadequate is a non starter but onward...Triangle rules!!

You really think that this team won't be competitive in the East this year? WHY? Cuz we didn't add LaMarcus Aldridge? Sure it would've added the Sexy name that people were hoping for but it isn't the end of the world that we didn't add LMA. Phil was looking to build a team and not just to add a name. Phil actually has put together a solid roster that also has upside to it. The players added make sense together.

I think you are forgetting that we have Melo, KP and Jerian as the developing top of the roster. In the meantime Afflalo and RoLo adds a nice quality level behind Melo. The talent on this roster is not as bad as you are perceiving it to be.

As for Fisher we really do have to come off of the nonsense when it comes to him as a coach. Fisher will be fine as a head coach. He was the least of our problems. How much of a difference do you really attribute to any coach from average to great? The roster is the most important factor in how much a team wins. A coach can only do so much without talent. A great coach should be able to squeeze an extra 5-10 wins out of a roster.

Coach: Doug Collins (47-35) Lost NBA Eastern Conference Finals (3-4) versus Detroit Pistons
Coach: Phil Jackson (55-27) Lost NBA Eastern Conference Finals (2-4) versus Detroit Pistons

If you look at how the team performed it was clear they were well coached but just didn't have enough talent. You don't even think we have good enough talent behind Melo to win and you want us to be concerned with Fisher as coach?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There is a reoccurring theme that getting rid of JR and Shump was essentially what held us back..I think we had bigger problems that that..But they are now gone..We should be winning now I hope..

you expect them to win 31 games, if i recall.. that isn't winning, that's simply getting better.

Phil thought we would make the playoffs last year..I didn't...If Phil is building a team that wins 17 or 30 games when he thinks he is actually fielding a playoff team then changes needs to be made correct?

If you are spending every penny of cap space on free agents, you are trying to win..

it was his first year and a learning curve is involved. he overreached in his playoff assumption, and when he realized he did, he eventually took ownership of that.

he hasn't made and isn't going to make any sort of prediction other than to say they will be improved and have a chance to be a good team. that translates to winning more games, probably within the range many have been speaking about, including yourself.

it sounds like you are waiting for him to make the same kind of prediction so he can set himself up for looking like a fool. i don't think he is going to give you that opportunity.

they will win between 29-41 games and that should be acceptable to all but the haters.

It should be fun watching you straddle the line of expecting Melo to win the East with this team and Phil giving another year's pass as he figures out how to win 30 games in his sophomore year...

no straddle now or in the future. it's september. lets see a couple of preseason games before we start narrowing the wins and losses prediction. meantime it should be a hoot seeing you crapping on the new players in game threads. who are you targeting?

I always root for Knick players and the team to succeed..I do however, recognize scrubs..I'm more of the realist ilk...After Melo there is a big drop off in talent and our record will reflect that..Phil coaching the team from the GM box doesn't help...Fisher being inadequate is a non starter but onward...Triangle rules!!

My original defense of JR was people like yourself expecting peak playoff performance on a blown out knee while he was here...Others were just making up timeline of events which proved untrue...JR has done enough shet in his life where things don't need to be made up or tp expect unrealistic performance during an injury..His bad choices are enough..I'm sure u guys have enough fuel to run on the legit stuff he can be blamed for...

a realist would acknowledge that melo has been grossly overpaid for what he brings to the court.. but never mind about that. i laid out why the knicks will win a minimum of 29 games. if melo is good then that is another 7-8 games. if melo is bad then another 3-4 games.

i have no idea how the good folks and razor-sharp basketball minds at espn came to their conclusion, but since you rely on what others have to say rather than doing your own reasoning and analysis there is no use in calling yourself a realist or mouthing off about scrubs..

lets not talk about jr smith anymore. he has taken his soft-azz game and pea-brain to cleveland where he can hinder lebron's quest for another title....

As compared to whom..Gallo is making 17..DJordan is making 20?..Robin Lopez s making 13/14..Bosh is making 22...Amare, your boy, who brought a lot less, was making more than Melo...Phil is making 12, Fisher is making 5..Talk about who is bringing it...