holfresh wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:CrushAlot wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:gunsnewing wrote:At least you can debate Crush and Holfresh. I've yet to read a coherent post from JRod in all these years. He says a lot but doesn't say anything. Most of his post focus on other posters and not the topic at hand. I can't understand for the life of me why someone feels the need to be he forum police every time they post. Those are the worst kind of posters IMO. I can tolerate just about everyone here but JRod is intolerable and the easiest to ignore knowing that you aren't missing anything if substance. Maybe he is more of a lurker and just an lazy writer. He's been doing this for years now I can't wrap my head around why he even bothers. Truly mind boggling to say the least.
There almost seems to be some kind of UK orthodoxy movement taking off around here, and you sometimes get the feeling that there is cult of personality thing taking shape right before our eyes.People are looking at the past and reinterpreting things in an attempt to create a revisionist history of the team's past 5 years, and if you don't buy in, you're a hater.
The sycophant type fans are difficult for a rational person to deal with because if you're not with them 100%, you're against them and if you speak up too much you are put into that dismissive "hater" category. Reporters who are reporting the truth (despite their sometimes opinionistic use of it) are attacked as hacks, even if the info they are using is true.
"Away you evil writers! Just give me the good stuff...I need to keep my thoughts pure!"
I feel good about one thing, though- When I've tried to analyze and interpret Phil's words and relate them to actual players and gotten attacked for my speculating, I am in the same boat as an award winning reporter like Araton, who is attacked for the same type of thing...thinking and trying to understand what words and actions mean and reaching conclusions.
The comment TT made about the name on the front being more important than the name on the back is significant, IMO. Many don't feel this way, though, and I believe this stems from the fact that certain fans need something to latch on to so they can identify themselves with some form of "success," even if it is not a winning team. Certain players with individual accomplishments seem to satisfy this self-esteem requirement. Seems childish to me, but some will tell me should not be critical of those with more success and money than I have, so am I wrong about this.
I expect that I'll continue along the same lines in terms of my posts, though. Much more fun being on the outside taking shots at the powers that be, than taking part in an orthodox frenzy of cult of personality love and feeling good about myself after reading some cream puff posts designed to make me feel special.
The bolded part is pretty off base if you ask me. Suggesting that guys aren't knick fans that post here but fans of players is insulting. I think you will find some that get tired of the constant bashing of one player and react. The Melo bashing is ridiculous by some and often has no basis in fact. If you go back to the time of the Melo trade I think you would find that many here who defend him were against the trade and may not have liked him prior to his becoming a knick. However, the way he is attacked here by some is hard not to react to. Personally didn't like the trade and didn't like the player especially after the collins/jeffries fight. I also didn't like Spreewell prior to his becoming a Knick but rooted for him hard once he came to ny and played his @ss off. Same goes for LJ, Doc and Charles Smith, Camby etc. The only thing that stays the same is the jersey. A guy that joins during Linsanity and posts about Lin and conspiracy theories on why he isn't in NY etc. doesn't have a lot of clout with me especially if he is telling me I am not a fan of the team I have rooted for my entire life. Sorry but I think your off base on your take.
I consider you to be a good guy, and you are not one of the fan boy fan. I do think that you are reacting in an over0-protective manner with Melo, though.I'm always going to take shots at the cult of personality folks- and there are a few of them around here.
People are also attacking the poster and not the post. Classic ad hominem attacks. I might not know the background of some posters, so I suppose that if you point out some hypocrisy and bias, that is OK, but if they are saying something I agree with I'll say I agree with them.
Not even saying anyone in particular is like this, but there are guys who take any kind of criticism against certain players as personal attacks, and seem to create a moral argument against people who dare to criticize some players. If I say something that someone feels is unjustified, say why, but don't come on like I said something about their family.
Funny, but the Anthony/Headband Tweet was used by someone to ridicule Jackson...but my first thought was, why the F would Anthony allow himself to be quoted saying this. Either he said it without thinking, one of his entourage repeated it, or someone on Aldridge's side said something. Given the THJ comments, why would Anthony not talk to his people or Aldridge and tell them to not let people know he said this.
To me he's taking a poke at his boss. He could have said that he regretted the fact that the draft comes before FA, and if reversed, things might have been different, but he does not take that path, and instead does something that can be considered a criticism of Phil.
If you want to believe the report was not true...fine, but as I've said before- reporters don't put these things into words without some verification.
Some posters can be critical, but are not as rude, which is fine. I've been said I am certain things by fools who don't know me for squat. I get attacked because I talk about players being responsible for their actions, or or saying that being paid a large sum of money by a team means that you actually have some responsibility to not put yourself in danger or a position where you can lose playing time.
Guys are going to be divided on certain issues and players- I expect that I've written things I've regretted saying- but I rarely attack individual posters unless I think it is warranted.
I'm sure I have some things I could say about certain players that I've held back simply because it would cause unnecessary trouble. Maybe I shouldn't do this anymore...why not go with my heart and write whatever I feel like writing.
You are a confusing individual...A few weeks ago you wanted Melo to make comment on Phil draft pick..You wanted him to make clear his feelings on the pick and whether or not he told SAS to make those comments..Now Melo makes a statement on not going after Aldridge and you have a problem with it???..I see nothing wrong in showing his disappointment in not pursuing Aldridge...U think everyone doesn't know Melo wanted Aldridge??..U want him to lie???..Then u question his character??
Only confusing to the confused.
He seems to have trouble controlling his mouth or the mouths of the guys around him. Never should have let negative comments about our draft or his feelings on our FA signings get out to the public.
He was OK, pre-draft, IMO. At one point when everyone thought we might take a guy like Mudiay, he commented about where he was in his career and why a rookie PG might not the best way to go. He let his feelings be known-might have been better to have a private meeting with Phil and been proactive, but no problem. Got his picture taken with OK4, and played big brother with Winslow. Was he hinting that he liked these guys?...maybe, but again, this was fine, IMO.
Called up THJ at a tough time- admirable- I think Tim had actually been at a Knicks function when the news came out. Liked the trade, but I feel bad for what he had to go through.
Downhill after that. You let the THJ talk get out, SAS screams, good reporters to their research, and then we hear that he wasn't that happy with FA. As the supposed leader on the team, who has to play with everyone he was critical of, you just have to stay quiet. Did some damage control...things seemed better, and then we hear about his Aldridge reaction.
Has nothing to do with "lying," everything to do with being a leader and knowing when to talk and when to swallow you feelings. I think they call it "diplomacy" in some circles. People might know how he feels, but he should never express it like he did.
We should not be hearing or reading about this stuff- he has to keep tighter control over his entourage and friends. If he has issues with Jackson, and I'm sure he does, he should talk to Phil directly. I'm actually less concerned about him taking any kind of shots at Jackson than I am of him saying anything that might be taken the wrong why by the guys he will have to play with.
This is why I talked about him going to SL and making an appearance. Small gesture, but it was a good idea for team solidarity, showing that he cares, and some positive press for him, I might add.
Leadership 101 stuff.
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
8/19/2015 2:39 PM
