fishmike wrote:So Melo recruited.
So Melo had KP over working out in his own gym.
So Melo has organized workouts with the new players
Do any of these actions constitute leadership? Positive culture? Naaaaa.... why go there and upset the anti-Melo jihadists

DK is the most honest and knowledgable poster here. I find the lack of faith in this disturbing.

Looking forward to the season

so we have learned is the Melo did use his rolodex and PHil was not sleeping in the nursing home as was projected by those who can't fathom anything unless the media feeds them.

Regarding LeMarcus being knick serious and the draft, I think you'd have to have a very clear commitment by LA and specific moves to say "If he reached out before the draft". This hindsight is easily said but Phil did not lay out any plans to anyone as teams cannot have done so until July. So its easy to say "well, if LA really meant it.......".

Kudo's to Phil for drafting a player that has the potential of exceeding Melo or Aldridge. Its not a diss on either as some would like to portray, but the fact is the franchise long term comes first and foremost. By trying to build around one player you get into the "Ewingization" and while there is a time and place for it, if it don't work you gotta know how to rebuild from there. We have seen this where Miami succeeded in 4 straight finals appearances (I think we kind of down play this historically) but "ONLY" won 2. Cav's because of injury did not get it done this year. Lebron is a force that can carry but the team around him did not hold up physically or mentally. We mortgaged the future for Ewing time and time again. If knicks never started this, Pippen might have been a knick with Mark Jax in the back court.

Bottom line is KP could have been traded if L.A. really wanted in. So lets not get too full of "what could have been". Really, we could not afforded to have Ropez in the middle and Affalo and the knicks would have had a nice tandem of Melo and L.A but too many holes to really contend.

And finally, I don't trust most NBA players when they speak so while Melo might telling the truth it seems like the last few days have been good melo stories leaking out about how happy he is and how he recruited. I was not upset with him before, and im not exactly dusting off my Mooby shrine either. Actions speak louder. 20 games in we should start to see if the players are getting the triangle and working within the system.

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:dk7, were you cheering the last time the Knicks were winning and in the playoffs???..A resounding NO!!!

He wasn't watching either and even wrote that he would watch the Knicks when they were worth his time.

your like nazi propaganda minister josef goebbels: repeat a lie enough times and it will be considered by truth. i watched that season carefully. if you can show me a post during that season where i said that i wasn't watching i'd be happy to eat my words.

if not then might i suggest you shut your fvckink piehole?

You said it. I in the past I don't think you even denied it.

I remember you calling him out on it previously..

Couldn't find when you originally said it but I found where you owned up to saying. Nazi propaganda minister?
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47884&page=3

Not necessary. Are you saying that when many suggested that you didn't watch the Knick games during the 54 win season that you didn't say, I will watch the Knicks when they are worth my time and that you didn't call the Knicks success 'fools gold'?
i admit that i said those things but your inference is ridiculous.
just to prove how ridiculous, why not try to show how that is the same as saying "i root against the knicks."

sorry sweetheart but if you can only find a derivative post and not the primary source itself it amounts to just more horseshyt.

parsing: you accuse me of two things-- first you claim that during the 54-win season i said "i will watch the knicks when they are worth my time." that is not true. i watched the 54-win team pretty steadily. the burden of proof remains.

the fact is that, unfortunately and persistently, you are confusing seasons and that's the reason you can't find the original quote. the knicks were not worth watching during the 37-win season.

second-- you claim that is said that the 54-win team was a fool's gold team. that is true.

so when i say i "admit those two things" the first thing refers to the 37-win season and the second refers to the 54-win season.

ready for that psych profile?

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:dk7, were you cheering the last time the Knicks were winning and in the playoffs???..A resounding NO!!!

He wasn't watching either and even wrote that he would watch the Knicks when they were worth his time.

your like nazi propaganda minister josef goebbels: repeat a lie enough times and it will be considered by truth. i watched that season carefully. if you can show me a post during that season where i said that i wasn't watching i'd be happy to eat my words.

if not then might i suggest you shut your fvckink piehole?

You said it. I in the past I don't think you even denied it.

I remember you calling him out on it previously..

Couldn't find when you originally said it but I found where you owned up to saying. Nazi propaganda minister?
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47884&page=3

Not necessary. Are you saying that when many suggested that you didn't watch the Knick games during the 54 win season that you didn't say, I will watch the Knicks when they are worth my time and that you didn't call the Knicks success 'fools gold'?
i admit that i said those things but your inference is ridiculous.
just to prove how ridiculous, why not try to show how that is the same as saying "i root against the knicks."

sorry sweetheart but if you can only find a derivative post and not the primary source itself it amounts to just more horseshyt.

parsing: you accuse me of two things-- first you claim that during the 54-win season i said "i will watch the knicks when they are worth my time." that is not true. i watched the 54-win team pretty steadily. the burden of proof remains.

the fact is that, unfortunately and persistently, you are confusing seasons and that's the reason you can't find the original quote. the knicks were not worth watching during the 37-win season.

second-- you claim that is said that the 54-win team was a fool's gold team. that is true.

so when i say i "admit those two things" the first thing refers to the 37-win season and the second refers to the 54-win season.

ready for that psych profile?

holfresh wrote:Fisher is in Vegas trying to get Melo to stop talking to the media...

Surprised they don't have Supranowitz fly out to muzzle him!!!!

fishmike wrote:So Melo recruited.
So Melo had KP over working out in his own gym.
So Melo has organized workouts with the new players
So Melo, during a supposed period of happy happy joy joy let it get out that he "threw his headband" upon hearing LMA make the comment about playing center, thereby criticizing Jackson publicly and reiterating his displeasure with Phil's decision making.

Do any of these actions constitute leadership? Positive culture? Naaaaa.... why go there and upset the anti-Melo jihadists

DK is the most honest and knowledgable poster here. I find the lack of faith in this disturbing.

Looking forward to the season

Fixed it for you.

Melo has been doing some damage control, which is great, but he is clueless about the consequences which can come from him opening his mouth. saying something, and thinking that what he says is not going to get out.

Either he has to get rid of some of his entourage, tell a guy like Aldridge or THJ that anything they talk about is only for their ears, or just keep quiet.

holfresh wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Even if we were in play. There was no way that LMA was choosing NYK over the Spurs. We were in play for D.Jordan and even had Rolo wait to sign a contract in hopes to sign D.Jordan. He like LMA would have choosen the better situation.

He said he was recruiting players to come to NY..

I was interested,” Aldridge said. “I talked to other guys to see if they were interested in going there too.

Unless you have some other info to back up your conclusion- the statement above does not imply that he was "recruiting" players to go to the Knicks. More likely he was was trying to talk to other players and get their thoughts about playing for the Knicks. He might have even asked them about whether they thought he would fit the Triangle offense, or whether he should play center, for all you know. Wonder if he talked to the two teammates from his team who did come to the Knicks?

For someone who has issues dealing with speculative thinking...that's actually what you're doing here. From the article and Tweet you're hypothesizing that not only would Aldridge have come here if Phil had let him play at 4, but that he was also recruiting other players!

Quite a reach, but if it fits your agenda...just go with it.

At no time in the article does Aldridge say "I would have come to the Knicks if Jackson had not told him the Knicks wanted him to play center," or that he was so interested in coming to the Knicks "I was trying to recruit other players to go there."

The most desired FAs either stayed with their own teams, or went to teams which had winning records last year or were in the playoffs. From what I can remember, this was true in EVERY case.

LMA went to one of the best franchises in sports, which happens to be in his home state, to play with one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, who took a pay cut in order to make room for Aldridge.

You probably needed to read the article a bit more carefully and look at actual information relating to where FAs signed before reaching your conclusions. The writer who took over for Isola is doing his best to follow in his footsteps, and I know you were excited...

Truly Amazing...Have to post Aldridge quote again...

...but you don't want to speculate too much...seems to cloud your logic.

I was excited to meet with them. I was interested,” Aldridge said. “But they wanted to have their draft pick play and I get it.”

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Even if we were in play. There was no way that LMA was choosing NYK over the Spurs. We were in play for D.Jordan and even had Rolo wait to sign a contract in hopes to sign D.Jordan. He like LMA would have choosen the better situation.

He said he was recruiting players to come to NY..

I was interested,” Aldridge said. “I talked to other guys to see if they were interested in going there too.

Maybe you should read the article again, it was the writer of the article who interpreted this to mean he was actively "recruiting," but that word is never used by LMA, and there is not indication that he led any organized attempt to bring players to NYC.

Unless you have some other info to back up your conclusion- the statement above does not imply that he was "recruiting" players to go to the Knicks. More likely he was was trying to talk to other players and get their thoughts about playing for the Knicks. He might have even asked them about whether they thought he would fit the Triangle offense, or whether he should play center, for all you know. Wonder if he talked to the two teammates from his team who did come to the Knicks?

For someone who has issues dealing with speculative thinking...that's actually what you're doing here. From the article and Tweet you're hypothesizing that not only would Aldridge have come here if Phil had let him play at 4, but that he was also recruiting other players!

Quite a reach, but if it fits your agenda...just go with it.

At no time in the article does Aldridge say "I would have come to the Knicks if Jackson had not told him the Knicks wanted him to play center," or that he was so interested in coming to the Knicks "I was trying to recruit other players to go there."

The most desired FAs either stayed with their own teams, or went to teams which had winning records last year or were in the playoffs. From what I can remember, this was true in EVERY case.

LMA went to one of the best franchises in sports, which happens to be in his home state, to play with one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, who took a pay cut in order to make room for Aldridge.

You probably needed to read the article a bit more carefully and look at actual information relating to where FAs signed before reaching your conclusions. The writer who took over for Isola is doing his best to follow in his footsteps, and I know you were excited...

Truly Amazing...Have to post Aldridge quote again...

...but you don't want to speculate too much...seems to cloud your logic.

He clearly, I mean clearly, stated that he asked players if they were interested to go NY too..How could that be interpreted in any other way???..Don't call it recuit then..He was asking players if they were interested in playing in NY..NOT about triangle fit..It's clearly stated...

Why would Aldridge say he would definitely come to the Knicks and they never met, never spoke about money..Have u ever been on a job interview???

Some of you guys get on me for analyzing/interpreting what Phil has said and coming out with things you don't like to hear...that is all Bondy does, because if you had personally interviewed Aldridge the professional thing to do would have been to ask him point blank: "So you were actually recruiting other players to come to NY?"

"interest" is not "desire." Getting another player's take on the Knicks would seem to normal thing to do. If I'm interested in doing something I might talk to others about it to see what they think or if it is worth my time. The guy who wrote the article is clearly trying to stir things up in the best "Isolian" tradition.

We hear this FA crap all the time, anyway. Chris Bosh telling folks he was making his own decisions and not following Wade or James (prior to the Big 3 coming together)- we can now look back and realize that he was talking BS. Must be fun to go through the FA rounds and be wined and dined, so sometimes you do it even though you have a good idea where you will end up.

I like Aldridge- I think he fits in well with Jackson's offense, but having the draft prior to FA screwed us up here. Might have been different if OK4 had dropped to us, since he is a pure center with a big butt and good interior game...but that did not happen.

The best thing to judge all of this. though, is what I mentioned- the fact that NONE of the major FAs who left their teams went to a team that had lost or was not in the playoffs last year.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Even if we were in play. There was no way that LMA was choosing NYK over the Spurs. We were in play for D.Jordan and even had Rolo wait to sign a contract in hopes to sign D.Jordan. He like LMA would have choosen the better situation.

He said he was recruiting players to come to NY..

I was interested,” Aldridge said. “I talked to other guys to see if they were interested in going there too.

Maybe you should read the article again, it was the writer of the article who interpreted this to mean he was actively "recruiting," but that word is never used by LMA, and there is not indication that he led any organized attempt to bring players to NYC.

Unless you have some other info to back up your conclusion- the statement above does not imply that he was "recruiting" players to go to the Knicks. More likely he was was trying to talk to other players and get their thoughts about playing for the Knicks. He might have even asked them about whether they thought he would fit the Triangle offense, or whether he should play center, for all you know. Wonder if he talked to the two teammates from his team who did come to the Knicks?

For someone who has issues dealing with speculative thinking...that's actually what you're doing here. From the article and Tweet you're hypothesizing that not only would Aldridge have come here if Phil had let him play at 4, but that he was also recruiting other players!

Quite a reach, but if it fits your agenda...just go with it.

At no time in the article does Aldridge say "I would have come to the Knicks if Jackson had not told him the Knicks wanted him to play center," or that he was so interested in coming to the Knicks "I was trying to recruit other players to go there."

The most desired FAs either stayed with their own teams, or went to teams which had winning records last year or were in the playoffs. From what I can remember, this was true in EVERY case.

LMA went to one of the best franchises in sports, which happens to be in his home state, to play with one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, who took a pay cut in order to make room for Aldridge.

You probably needed to read the article a bit more carefully and look at actual information relating to where FAs signed before reaching your conclusions. The writer who took over for Isola is doing his best to follow in his footsteps, and I know you were excited...

Truly Amazing...Have to post Aldridge quote again...

...but you don't want to speculate too much...seems to cloud your logic.

He clearly, I mean clearly, stated that he asked players if they were interested to go NY too..How could that be interpreted in any other way???..Don't call it recuit then..He was asking players if they were interested in playing in NY..NOT about triangle fit..It's clearly stated...

Why would Aldridge say he would definitely come to the Knicks and they never met, never spoke about money..Have u ever been on a job interview???

So by YOUR logic...why would he be "recruiting" if he had never met or spoken to the Knicks about money??? Be consistent.

Some of you guys get on me for analyzing/interpreting what Phil has said and coming out with things you don't like to hear...that is all Bondy does, because if you had personally interviewed Aldridge the professional thing to do would have been to ask him point blank: "So you were actually recruiting other players to come to NY?"

"interest" is not "desire." Getting another player's take on the Knicks would seem to normal thing to do. If I'm interested in doing something I might talk to others about it to see what they think or if it is worth my time. The guy who wrote the article is clearly trying to stir things up in the best "Isolian" tradition.

We hear this FA crap all the time, anyway. Chris Bosh telling folks he was making his own decisions and not following Wade or James (prior to the Big 3 coming together)- we can now look back and realize that he was talking BS. Must be fun to go through the FA rounds and be wined and dined, so sometimes you do it even though you have a good idea where you will end up.

I like Aldridge- I think he fits in well with Jackson's offense, but having the draft prior to FA screwed us up here. Might have been different if OK4 had dropped to us, since he is a pure center with a big butt and good interior game...but that did not happen.

The best thing to judge all of this. though, is what I mentioned- the fact that NONE of the major FAs who left their teams went to a team that had lost or was not in the playoffs last year.

Bondy is not the only one writing about this..There are about 10 other articles about this..You are playing games with interest and desire, recruiting and talking to..

It's not anyone's logic, it by the ability to read..It's very simple...He was interested in coming to NY and was talking to other players about the possibility to come to NY as well..You go beyond interest by sitting down and talking about the possibilities with that team..Real simple...