RonRon wrote:when the cap rises 20m next year, many contending teams will have the ability to trade for CA with a large trade exemption and the assets/draft picks/and younger players needed to execute the trade and match salaries

True, I totally forgot the obvious there. That means we will have to wait till around the draft.
Still, there are only so many teams Melo would agree to.

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:I don't get the comparisons to Dirk and Bargs other then they are all tall and white. Other then all 3 having the ability to spread the floor, their games are nothing alike. I see a lot of Bradley's game (when he was playing well) in KP. Again, the ability to use height and length to to protect the basket and block shots. I think that KP will develop a similar post up game to Bradley. Impossible to compare now because we haven't seen KP post up yet, but those quick spin moves or one or two dribbles before he uses his height and length to score I think will be similar. The differences are that KP has a sweet shooting form and although we didn't see him shoot much, I think he is going to be good from midrange out. I also think that KP is going to have a tremendous work ethic which will elevate him above the comparison to Bradley, but again I see similarities to Bradley that I don't see to Dirk or Bargs. I think the biggest thing for KP that will elevate his game is when he gets strong enough to establish deep post position, and I don't think it will take him that long to do it.

some more film of Bradley. check the way Bradley sets the pick and then pops from the top of the key and how he stays on his feet and uses his length to defend and block shots

It seems like you've never watched any of KP's ACB highlights. He's much closer to Dirk, Pau and Bargs, than Bradley. KP is a fluid, skilled and athletic player. Bradley could move great for a guy his size but still not as fluid as KP. Yes they both have that height and length to play over the top of the defense, but KP is in constant motion on offense and can face up and drive by his man, run, catch and shoot from anywhere on the floor. Bradley wasn't really that kind of player. KP can also move his feet on D very well and I think he'd be a bit more agile than Bradley. Once again their height and length makes KP and Bradley similar in that aspect, but KP has that ability to move like a smaller player.

Yeah, the thing about KP (when comparing him to Bradley) is that Bradley was not at all athletic like KP. Not anywhere near it. Actually, who at his size EVER was? This kid can be special if he stays healthy. That drive (brother being his daily mentor with BB), BB in family, etc.

As you said, KP is just so fluid. He does not at all play like any (near) 7 footer that I can remember. Dirk in a way, but Dirk never had this kind of athleticism. And he has NO indecision in his game and moves. He is super spontaneous and yet cerebral.

His defense is going to be really fun to watch. It was just summer league, but when he was any where near the pain you can see the other team just totally change. When was the last center or player we had that did that?

I can't wait for the season to start and man has it been years since I've said that. (And looking forward to the other rook as well as our new TEAM.)

EMS

earthmansurfer wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:I don't get the comparisons to Dirk and Bargs other then they are all tall and white. Other then all 3 having the ability to spread the floor, their games are nothing alike. I see a lot of Bradley's game (when he was playing well) in KP. Again, the ability to use height and length to to protect the basket and block shots. I think that KP will develop a similar post up game to Bradley. Impossible to compare now because we haven't seen KP post up yet, but those quick spin moves or one or two dribbles before he uses his height and length to score I think will be similar. The differences are that KP has a sweet shooting form and although we didn't see him shoot much, I think he is going to be good from midrange out. I also think that KP is going to have a tremendous work ethic which will elevate him above the comparison to Bradley, but again I see similarities to Bradley that I don't see to Dirk or Bargs. I think the biggest thing for KP that will elevate his game is when he gets strong enough to establish deep post position, and I don't think it will take him that long to do it.

some more film of Bradley. check the way Bradley sets the pick and then pops from the top of the key and how he stays on his feet and uses his length to defend and block shots

It seems like you've never watched any of KP's ACB highlights. He's much closer to Dirk, Pau and Bargs, than Bradley. KP is a fluid, skilled and athletic player. Bradley could move great for a guy his size but still not as fluid as KP. Yes they both have that height and length to play over the top of the defense, but KP is in constant motion on offense and can face up and drive by his man, run, catch and shoot from anywhere on the floor. Bradley wasn't really that kind of player. KP can also move his feet on D very well and I think he'd be a bit more agile than Bradley. Once again their height and length makes KP and Bradley similar in that aspect, but KP has that ability to move like a smaller player.

Yeah, the thing about KP (when comparing him to Bradley) is that Bradley was not at all athletic like KP. Not anywhere near it. Actually, who at his size EVER was? This kid can be special if he stays healthy. That drive (brother being his daily mentor with BB), BB in family, etc.

As you said, KP is just so fluid. He does not at all play like any (near) 7 footer that I can remember. Dirk in a way, but Dirk never had this kind of athleticism. And he has NO indecision in his game and moves. He is super spontaneous and yet cerebral.

His defense is going to be really fun to watch. It was just summer league, but when he was any where near the pain you can see the other team just totally change. When was the last center or player we had that did that?

I can't wait for the season to start and man has it been years since I've said that. (And looking forward to the other rook as well as our new TEAM.)

EMS

As 'nice' as his skill set and youtube highlights are the real telling thing is just watch him in motion. He's the anti-spaz. Very smooth and fluid. Anothe reason I dont want to see him bulking up just for the sake.

I dont see Shawn Bradley. I see something more like a 7'3 Tayshaun Prince. A guy with insane length who is simply an excellent basketball player... (and KP now is stronger than Prince ever was or is)

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:I don't get the comparisons to Dirk and Bargs other then they are all tall and white. Other then all 3 having the ability to spread the floor, their games are nothing alike. I see a lot of Bradley's game (when he was playing well) in KP. Again, the ability to use height and length to to protect the basket and block shots. I think that KP will develop a similar post up game to Bradley. Impossible to compare now because we haven't seen KP post up yet, but those quick spin moves or one or two dribbles before he uses his height and length to score I think will be similar. The differences are that KP has a sweet shooting form and although we didn't see him shoot much, I think he is going to be good from midrange out. I also think that KP is going to have a tremendous work ethic which will elevate him above the comparison to Bradley, but again I see similarities to Bradley that I don't see to Dirk or Bargs. I think the biggest thing for KP that will elevate his game is when he gets strong enough to establish deep post position, and I don't think it will take him that long to do it.

some more film of Bradley. check the way Bradley sets the pick and then pops from the top of the key and how he stays on his feet and uses his length to defend and block shots

It seems like you've never watched any of KP's ACB highlights. He's much closer to Dirk, Pau and Bargs, than Bradley. KP is a fluid, skilled and athletic player. Bradley could move great for a guy his size but still not as fluid as KP. Yes they both have that height and length to play over the top of the defense, but KP is in constant motion on offense and can face up and drive by his man, run, catch and shoot from anywhere on the floor. Bradley wasn't really that kind of player. KP can also move his feet on D very well and I think he'd be a bit more agile than Bradley. Once again their height and length makes KP and Bradley similar in that aspect, but KP has that ability to move like a smaller player.

Yeah, the thing about KP (when comparing him to Bradley) is that Bradley was not at all athletic like KP. Not anywhere near it. Actually, who at his size EVER was? This kid can be special if he stays healthy. That drive (brother being his daily mentor with BB), BB in family, etc.

As you said, KP is just so fluid. He does not at all play like any (near) 7 footer that I can remember. Dirk in a way, but Dirk never had this kind of athleticism. And he has NO indecision in his game and moves. He is super spontaneous and yet cerebral.

His defense is going to be really fun to watch. It was just summer league, but when he was any where near the pain you can see the other team just totally change. When was the last center or player we had that did that?

I can't wait for the season to start and man has it been years since I've said that. (And looking forward to the other rook as well as our new TEAM.)

EMS

this is a great catch. One simple indication of one's true athleticism is how they land. Its one thing to get up there (vert leap) its another to land like a cat, or land like a sack of bricks. Watch KPs lower body and feet when he jumps and lands. He's springy. He lands on the front of his feet, never the back. His body control considering his age and size really impressed me. His ability to bounce around and cover more space than a wall when fronting OK4 was telling.

As 'nice' as his skill set and youtube highlights are the real telling thing is just watch him in motion. He's the anti-spaz. Very smooth and fluid. Anothe reason I dont want to see him bulking up just for the sake.

I dont see Shawn Bradley. I see something more like a 7'3 Tayshaun Prince. A guy with insane length who is simply an excellent basketball player... (and KP now is stronger than Prince ever was or is)

BRIGGS wrote:Since you came on this board you have been way off in regards to trade value... Melos value is 80-85% of what it was. The Knicks will be able to command a pick or two and two very good young players.

"The Rose"

Some say love, it is a river
And that it drowns the tender reed
And some say love, it's like a razor
And that it leaves your soul to bleed.

Some say love, it is a hunger
An endless aching need
I say love, it is a flower
And you, it's only seed.

It's a heart afraid of breaking
That never learns to dance
It's a dream afraid of waking
That never takes the chance
It's the one who won't be taken
Who can not seem to give
And the soul afraid of dying
That never learns to live.

When the night has been too lonely
And the road has been too long
And you think that love is only
For the lucky and the strong
Just remember in the winter
Far beneath the bitter snows
Lies the seed that with the sun's love
In spring becomes the rose...

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yeah when you see KP run it doesn't look like he's as tall as he is. Just look at him Sprint -

did he walk at the end? Seems like he took bunny steps and then another lol

Yeah I think the Refs felt the play was just to beautiful to mess it up with a lame call.

RonRon wrote:when the cap rises 20m next year, many contending teams will have the ability to trade for CA with a large trade exemption and the assets/draft picks/and younger players needed to execute the trade and match salaries

No NBA analyst or insider believes the cap will dramatically jump up that much in one season. Across a period of seasons with some type of "smoothing" option, sure, and likely after a protracted labor war.

If Melo moves at THIS seasons trade deadline, what happens to the cap in the future will have no bearing on the fact that the Knicks will have to take in a mediocre to bad contract to get a close salary match.

How many teams will Melo reasonably waive his No Trade Clause for? I mean realistically.

Out of those teams, how many will part with a franchise core to get Melo ( Quick answer - None of them)

Out of those teams, to make the salaries match enough make the trade legal, what kind of player do you think the Knicks will get at that chunk of salary? Melo is not going to a gutted team.

Kobe Bryant wanted out of the Lakers, the Bulls were interested, but what was the problem? In order to get Kobe to the Bulls, the Bulls would have to gut themselves to the point where the team could not contend with Kobe Bryant coming in. It was Bryant's No Trade Clause that leveraged the situation, but the Lakers simply refused to make a deal suitable just for Kobe Bryant's whims.

It's a two way street. The No Trade Clause means Melo can leverage where he goes and how much comes back, however making it so limited creates a pure disincentive for the Knicks to trade him at all. Unless he does what a lot of disgrunted guys do to their teams, attack their fanbase, their team mates , their franchise and dog it openly.

No one is giving up Blake Griffin for Melo. No one is giving up Jimmy Butler. They aren't even getting D'Angelo Russell.

Something like Roy Hibbert, Nick Young and Julius Randle would be the HIGHLY OPTIMISTIC AND REALISTIC RETURN. A large disposable contract, a mediocre player on an unpleasant but not totally brutal contract and an edge of the lottery type prospect.

The Clippers are not going to trade Paul, nor Griffin ( why trade the younger more marketable player?), nor clearly Jordan in any deal.

The Bulls can get 80 percent of Melo's one sided game and offensive punch for Mirotic on a bargain contract without gutting their team to do it.

Houston? Since when has Daryl Morey paid top shelf price for anything?

Who else?

Trading Melo won't be this massive wealth of options that some of you believe it will be.

This will be a bitter ugly divorce between a team and a player. Zen Master is a one of a kind savant manipulator of the media and wants to protect his waning legacy. Melo can't say three sentences without saying something team killing or idiotic to the press and doesn't seem to understand simple things like social grace, professionalism and diplomacy. This current Knicks team is not likely to make the playoffs. How do you guys think this is going to end?

It's like watching a car crash about the happen long before it happens in slow motion.

Melo is going, but it's going to be bloody and the Knicks aren't going to get the bounty that some of you think they will. Then again, some of you had these grand plans for free agency and what happened? Most of your ideas went nowhere. Most of your trade scenarios went nowhere.

Melo is a depreciating asset and the entire league ( except maybe Sacto and Denver) knows it.

That something COULD happen is different world than if it's LIKELY to happen.

The cap could jump 20 million in one offseason without a massive labor war and without the owners hedging for a smoothing option. It technically COULD happen. Then again, flying cows could rain milk all over the ghost of Charlies Hayes playing third base for the Yankees. Coke could turn into Pepsi. Briggs could stop waiting by the mailbox for a return reply from Mensa. But is it LIKELY?

WaltLongmire wrote:

Rookie wrote:looks pretty athletic here

Nice looking play.

I looked at a few vids of him on YouTube before commenting on his athleticism- and the videos basically confirmed what I had remembered about him. Had his moments, but his strength, coordination, and quickness never caught up with his size, for the most part.

Sometimes it looked like he was moving in slow motion, but he was so darn big that he could do his thing, anyway. His problem is that he was drafted as high as he was.

Actually had a 20/20/13 blks game once.

Maybe Ralph Sampson is a better past player for a comparison with KP as he develops? Just too early to tell, and that is why I'm not a big fan of this thread.

Hes no Ralph Sampson or Sean Bradley. If he wants to be a super star in the nba he can be.He can simply be a PF/C who emulates Kevin Mchale/Pau Gasol. Hes got great touch he 7-2.5 if he works hard on post moves the weight room and stays healthy--nothing will stop him. Hes the only Knick worth paying to see right now.

fishmike wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

fishmike wrote:Have you tried masturbation?

I'll ask your mother. She's still in my bathroom flossing.

( If you want some from me, feel free to come get some, fishmike. Anytime, the store is always open mother ****er. The last time you stepped up to me, you said it was impossible for a veteran NBA player to work hard and learn to develop a three point shot ( i.e. how could STAT change to help the Knicks back when he was on their roster) After pointing out Jason Kidd, Spencer Hawes and Chris Bosh all put in the work and blood to do it to help their teams, you just dismissed it and went ahead and headed out with your tail between your legs. Feel free to go snitch to a Staff member, and I hope they tell you the same thing, if you don't want some, don't go looking for some. I'm talking basketball, how the league operates, market value, labor issues, trade history, positional value, etc, etc, and here you are being a total jack off.

Irony for you there. A total jack off talking about masturbation. I'll let your mom go make me a sandwich now. )

Classy

How many of you guys post with multiple accounts?