newyorker4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Watch to see if Anthony is a "system breaker" in pre-season and in the early part of the regular season.

If he is still playing the same ISO stuff he is known for, and doesn't seem to be in sync with the rest of the team, especially if everyone else seems to be doing what Fisher wants them to do, it might be that Anthony is sending a message to the team that he wants out.

Everyone who was with Anthony under Woodson is gone from the team. I've pointed this out a number of times- this purging changed the power structure on the team- Fisher now has a chance to compete with Anthony to be the "leader" on the team, since Anthony's crew is gone. It has also been a not so subtle message to Carmelo, and anyone else, that if they don't buy into the system there will be repercussions.

Anthony also isolated himself from our incoming FAs by not reaching out to them. I'm also pretty certain that Phil thoroughly screened the FAs we signed told them what the team wants to do on offense. The returning vets are well versed in the triangle, and Fisher coaching our draftees in SL cemented his leadership role with them. With all of this in place, Fisher has a chance to take over the team and run it the way he wants to.

Hopefully Carmelo finally buys into what Phil/Fish are trying to do, but if he doesn't, maybe he does get moved at some point.

I want to say something about the Melo ISO talk. If you watch the games that Melo played last year you'll see that Melo did plenty of passing but he didn't have anyone besides JR that were comfortable taking the shot so the ball would get passed around until it always ended up back in Melo's hands and the clock would be down so he'd have to take the shot. Other players wouldn't want to shoot the ball so they wouldn't and it would always just go right back to Melo so what is he supposed to do with it?? With all the non offensive players we have on this team you better expect Melo to be taking a lot of shots again. MELO NEEDS ANOTHER STAR TO PLAY WITH THAT CAN ACTUALLY SCORE POINTS WHICH WE DON'T HAVE AGAIN. That's why we're gonna be playing much more defense next year and Melo will be scoring a lot of points.

The timing for both Melo and the team is just off. You have a great point--we didnt really acquire a player that can help take the load off of Melo. I dont think we can put this type of pressure on KP--I was hoping to give him 18-22 minutes off the bench in year 1. Lopez Oquinn they dont have post games they can go to every night. Affalo can score but really broke down EOY. We had so many problems last year--and you like the size we added we are hopeful for our PG but this is a boat with holes.

Areas of concern

A Perimeter defense
B Scoring ability
C Rebounding
D Penetration abilities

Getting rid of Schveyd--I dont know about that. PJ gave a lot of admiration to Thomas and Admundson so I guess they are going to really help us this year.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Watch to see if Anthony is a "system breaker" in pre-season and in the early part of the regular season.

If he is still playing the same ISO stuff he is known for, and doesn't seem to be in sync with the rest of the team, especially if everyone else seems to be doing what Fisher wants them to do, it might be that Anthony is sending a message to the team that he wants out.

Everyone who was with Anthony under Woodson is gone from the team. I've pointed this out a number of times- this purging changed the power structure on the team- Fisher now has a chance to compete with Anthony to be the "leader" on the team, since Anthony's crew is gone. It has also been a not so subtle message to Carmelo, and anyone else, that if they don't buy into the system there will be repercussions.

Anthony also isolated himself from our incoming FAs by not reaching out to them. I'm also pretty certain that Phil thoroughly screened the FAs we signed told them what the team wants to do on offense. The returning vets are well versed in the triangle, and Fisher coaching our draftees in SL cemented his leadership role with them. With all of this in place, Fisher has a chance to take over the team and run it the way he wants to.

Hopefully Carmelo finally buys into what Phil/Fish are trying to do, but if he doesn't, maybe he does get moved at some point.

I want to say something about the Melo ISO talk. If you watch the games that Melo played last year you'll see that Melo did plenty of passing but he didn't have anyone besides JR that were comfortable taking the shot so the ball would get passed around until it always ended up back in Melo's hands and the clock would be down so he'd have to take the shot. Other players wouldn't want to shoot the ball so they wouldn't and it would always just go right back to Melo so what is he supposed to do with it?? With all the non offensive players we have on this team you better expect Melo to be taking a lot of shots again. MELO NEEDS ANOTHER STAR TO PLAY WITH THAT CAN ACTUALLY SCORE POINTS WHICH WE DON'T HAVE AGAIN. That's why we're gonna be playing much more defense next year and Melo will be scoring a lot of points.

The timing for both Melo and the team is just off. You have a great point--we didnt really acquire a player that can help take the load off of Melo. I dont think we can put this type of pressure on KP--I was hoping to give him 18-22 minutes off the bench in year 1. Lopez Oquinn they dont have post games they can go to every night. Affalo can score but really broke down EOY. We had so many problems last year--and you like the size we added we are hopeful for our PG but this is a boat with holes.

Areas of concern

A Perimeter defense
B Scoring ability
C Rebounding
D Penetration abilities

Getting rid of Schveyd--I dont know about that. PJ gave a lot of admiration to Thomas and Admundson so I guess they are going to really help us this year.

NO one is going to be putting pressure on KP. This isn't that kind of system to begin with. If anything they'll get him the same kind of easy looks our bigs got last year in terms of elbow jumpers and Pinch Post looks where he can face up. Every so often he'll post up a smaller guy that gets caught on him.

This team should be OK on the perimeter. Especially when you have rim protection behind them. We will have some quality Rim Protection with RoLo, KP, O'Quinn etc. It's not gonna be a cakewalk in the paint anymore and we have good size and length at guard as well. We should also be able to rebound the ball. I don't know why this is on your list of concerns.

This isn't a team built to be a big time scoring team for sure. They're gonna have to be much better on D to help make up for a little bit of a lack of scoring. I'll tell you that this roster will be better than last years roster in terms of scoring so any improvement on D should help them to be competitive. Understand that when Melo was healthy this team was able to score points well enough. They just couldn't defend. So now they've addressed some of the defensive issues.

Penetration will come from some PnR, Cuts and Post ups in addition to what we get from Jerian. This isn't a strong suit but I think they'll be just fine with guys like DWill, Early, Ledo slashing to the basket and RoLo on PnR. Along with Melo getting inside as he can do. It's not a heavy dribble drive roster but that doesn't mean they won't be able to attack the basket using the system to get inside.

Every so often he'll post up a smaller guy that gets caught on him. Jees Isnt KP a top 3 guy in height in the NBA?

Also many many teams have focused on perimeter speed. We have what I believe is the WORST starting defensive guard in the league in Calderon--hes the worst Id go as far as he just cant do the job anymore. EVERY single time we match up with a team that promotes speed(which is now over 75%+ of the league)--we start the game off at a defensive deficit and Calderon is also TERRIBLE at getting into the lane on the other end. You know we used the triangle last year--we have some new players but it took some players time and maybe some of these guys just didnt want to run it correctly--what is to say that wont happen again?

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Watch to see if Anthony is a "system breaker" in pre-season and in the early part of the regular season.

If he is still playing the same ISO stuff he is known for, and doesn't seem to be in sync with the rest of the team, especially if everyone else seems to be doing what Fisher wants them to do, it might be that Anthony is sending a message to the team that he wants out.

Everyone who was with Anthony under Woodson is gone from the team. I've pointed this out a number of times- this purging changed the power structure on the team- Fisher now has a chance to compete with Anthony to be the "leader" on the team, since Anthony's crew is gone. It has also been a not so subtle message to Carmelo, and anyone else, that if they don't buy into the system there will be repercussions.

Anthony also isolated himself from our incoming FAs by not reaching out to them. I'm also pretty certain that Phil thoroughly screened the FAs we signed told them what the team wants to do on offense. The returning vets are well versed in the triangle, and Fisher coaching our draftees in SL cemented his leadership role with them. With all of this in place, Fisher has a chance to take over the team and run it the way he wants to.

Hopefully Carmelo finally buys into what Phil/Fish are trying to do, but if he doesn't, maybe he does get moved at some point.

I want to say something about the Melo ISO talk. If you watch the games that Melo played last year you'll see that Melo did plenty of passing but he didn't have anyone besides JR that were comfortable taking the shot so the ball would get passed around until it always ended up back in Melo's hands and the clock would be down so he'd have to take the shot. Other players wouldn't want to shoot the ball so they wouldn't and it would always just go right back to Melo so what is he supposed to do with it?? With all the non offensive players we have on this team you better expect Melo to be taking a lot of shots again. MELO NEEDS ANOTHER STAR TO PLAY WITH THAT CAN ACTUALLY SCORE POINTS WHICH WE DON'T HAVE AGAIN. That's why we're gonna be playing much more defense next year and Melo will be scoring a lot of points.

The timing for both Melo and the team is just off. You have a great point--we didnt really acquire a player that can help take the load off of Melo. I dont think we can put this type of pressure on KP--I was hoping to give him 18-22 minutes off the bench in year 1. Lopez Oquinn they dont have post games they can go to every night. Affalo can score but really broke down EOY. We had so many problems last year--and you like the size we added we are hopeful for our PG but this is a boat with holes.

Areas of concern

A Perimeter defense
B Scoring ability
C Rebounding
D Penetration abilities

Getting rid of Schveyd--I dont know about that. PJ gave a lot of admiration to Thomas and Admundson so I guess they are going to really help us this year.

NO one is going to be putting pressure on KP. This isn't that kind of system to begin with. If anything they'll get him the same kind of easy looks our bigs got last year in terms of elbow jumpers and Pinch Post looks where he can face up. Every so often he'll post up a smaller guy that gets caught on him.

This team should be OK on the perimeter. Especially when you have rim protection behind them. We will have some quality Rim Protection with RoLo, KP, O'Quinn etc. It's not gonna be a cakewalk in the paint anymore and we have good size and length at guard as well. We should also be able to rebound the ball. I don't know why this is on your list of concerns.

This isn't a team built to be a big time scoring team for sure. They're gonna have to be much better on D to help make up for a little bit of a lack of scoring. I'll tell you that this roster will be better than last years roster in terms of scoring so any improvement on D should help them to be competitive. Understand that when Melo was healthy this team was able to score points well enough. They just couldn't defend. So now they've addressed some of the defensive issues.

Penetration will come from some PnR, Cuts and Post ups in addition to what we get from Jerian. This isn't a strong suit but I think they'll be just fine with guys like DWill, Early, Ledo slashing to the basket and RoLo on PnR. Along with Melo getting inside as he can do. It's not a heavy dribble drive roster but that doesn't mean they won't be able to attack the basket using the system to get inside.

Every so often he'll post up a smaller guy that gets caught on him. Jees Isnt KP a top 3 guy in height in the NBA?

Also many many teams have focused on perimeter speed. We have what I believe is the WORST starting defensive guard in the league in Calderon--hes the worst Id go as far as he just cant do the job anymore. EVERY single time we match up with a team that promotes speed(which is now over 75%+ of the league)--we start the game off at a defensive deficit and Calderon is also TERRIBLE at getting into the lane on the other end. You know we used the triangle last year--we have some new players but it took some players time and maybe some of these guys just didnt want to run it correctly--what is to say that wont happen again?

Why do you keep defaulting Jose any time you want to make the Knicks seem like their gonna be horrid on D? You don't know for sure that Jose is gonna start or start for the entire season. It's very likely that Jerian will at some point become the starter if not right out of Pre Season then some time during he season. Jerian just has too much talent to play behind Jose IMO. See I can tell from your comments and lack of comments about Jerian that you don't really respect his talent. That's part of your problem in assessing this team.

KP is not really a C at this point in his career. He's gonna be a PF for a while and likely play some Center when it makes sense. so far in his career he posts up smaller players that switch onto him and he's pretty good at that.

As for the team running the Triangle more successfully I have no real fear of a repeat of last year because after the trade this team actually executed the offense properly. They simply didn't have enough talent to actually score the ball at a high enough rate. There's a misconception that the lack of scoring and losing was because the Knicks were doing it wrong or not buying in after the trade. That's not what happened. They did the best they could with their limitations on offense. With more talent and even more players who are skilled and smart enough to run the offense they'll succeed. Not to mention that they have a willingness to actually play team ball.

Its hard to determine what pick #19 will do right away. I like Grant but I think hes on a level below the tier 1 PGs and completely unproven so I dont offer his name up to give him fair chance to show his stuff. Im not blindly anointing Jerian Grant anything. So I take at face value that Jose Calderon will likely start barring injury or trade. I think if you rank the worst PG defender from the starting unit on from every team--its highly plausible that Jose is 30# id rather start Jerian but I dont think that will happen. Im hoping we see the upside in Jerian Grant fast.

As for KP--really there has never been a 7-3 PF. He may play there but I suspect a move to 5 by year 2 perhaps with Oquinn as PF and Lopez moving to back up C.