CrushAlot wrote:That sucks. The guy wanted to be a knick. Looked like a really good player. I don't mind Shved. This one hurts.

but we need a back up sg/pg and a center, you want to just sign a guy who wont see much playing time, that played well against young inexperience players.

Ndour is the kind of guy you sign when you have 10 solid rotation guys already

DJMUSIC wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I betcha we sat on our hands with this kid. Instead of going after him aggressively, I bet we hemmed and hawed up the ass and WTF happened--someone else came in and took him. If we came with a fair offer RIGHT AWAY (during the SL season or before), we could've had him. We waited, hemmed and hawed, and lost him.

Over react much???? I mean come on now. LOL

Kid Ndour plays well for Knicks summer team,
but like we say you get what? you PAID for
$$

In this case Knicks wanna go cheapest $

Only in NY can masses of Knicks fans want one thing (NDour) or a certain draft pick or Free Agent
and Knickerbocker brass will never ever satisfy the fans here, its Like they ain't listening to
NBA NY media writers, much less seeing for themselves the kid could have a real opportunity here

But Of course Knicks Brass Management DONT want
what you & I want

ITs always been like that
ain't changing now...

If Kevin Durant be available and listed next yr
NYK one of 1/2 dozen teams he'd be interested in,
BETCHA' Knicks would find a way not to pursue KD the way the ought to!

In Knickland it ALWAYs gotta be on their terms..

That's why NO one wants to come here and ball

Read somewhere before that the Knicks may have passed on Ndour because they "have their sights set on more a veteran big man." Oh yeah? WHO Phil? Who does he have in mind? Elton Brand? Reggie Evans?? Can't wait to see who he plans on filling these last spots with.

GetThePipe wrote:People are acting as if we lost out on some great young talent. He's a deep bench player, c'mon now.

Well, HE IS YOUNG TALENT that has a GOOD PHYSICAL PHYSICAL SKILLS FOR SOMEONE HIS SIZE
We found a gem, is he an ALL STAR now?
NO absolutely NOT, however, how did Draymond Green do his first 2 seasons in the League?
He was at the end of the bench that barely played and that is exactly our point, he is a player that is surely worth developing to find out, playing 4 years of college

N Dour put up impressive stats every season at SF/PF with a good mid range shot already and 3pt range in college being
He was a 20 and 10 in college with multiple steals and blocks in many games his last 2 seasons
After watching the Summer League you could why and that he is legit, with the ability to take it to the next level
Though he listed at 200pds, he surely could add some weight and get stronger, who knows if he can be developed in to STARTING material, but he is worth a roster spot to find out

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:

GetThePipe wrote:People are acting as if we lost out on some great young talent. He's a deep bench player, c'mon now.

Well, HE IS YOUNG TALENT that has a GOOD PHYSICAL PHYSICAL SKILLS FOR SOMEONE HIS SIZE
We found a gem, is he an ALL STAR now?
NO absolutely NOT, however, how did Draymond Green do his first 2 seasons in the League?
He was at the end of the bench that barely played and that is exactly our point, he is a player that is surely worth developing to find out, playing 4 years of college

N Dour put up impressive stats every season at SF/PF with a good mid range shot already and 3pt range in college being
He was a 20 and 10 in college with multiple steals and blocks in many games his last 2 seasons
After watching the Summer League you could why and that he is legit, with the ability to take it to the next level
Though he listed at 200pds, he surely could add some weight and get stronger, who knows if he can be developed in to STARTING material, but he is worth a roster spot to find out

Also, he was really likeable. He just hustled and worked hard. Whenever I saw him interviewed he was talking about how happy he was for his teammates. I don't know if the smart thing with those last two spots is to look for vets. Maybe a guy like Brand provides leadership and helps the young guys etc. but it seems like Ndour was the guy from the sl to sign.

N Dour didn't seem like he was 200 pds to me though, he did not get pushed around and he was extremely active
With a high motor on both ends, running down the floor, finishing through contact defending, challenging shots, and rebounded well, with versatility on both ends of the floor...
What more can you ask for?
His skills, style of play, high motor, soft touch, good cuts, and his physical abilities with size/athleticism/length/mobility ALL TRANSLATE in TODAYS game in multiple positions that he could play from SF through Center in small ball like Draymond Green at the 5, when he gains weight/strength

Yep, we knew from the way he played that he was going to be in demand BECAUSE HE GOT SKILLS THAT TRANSLATE and he is YOUNG and CHEAP

Crush, IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS A GOOD LOCKER ROOM PRESENCE, HIGH CHARACTER, and HE COULD PLAY, unlike Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas
That is why THAT IS SUCH BS, that we wasted 2 roster spots on those 2 scrubs, while there are plenty of players that can bring that attitude
They are both 15th man on our roster that cost 3m, it was a horrible decision to sign them to make Fisher's life easier
Fisher was simply NOT ready for this job
He had 0 thoughts of COACHING till he saw Jason Kidd and Steve Kerr get 5m per season, while he was still playing for OKC at the time...

That would be such BS, Crush, we signed a bunch of "high character" talents that lack skill already, we need players that will be part of our roster moving forward
I have a feeling this is about Fisher inability to coach, so he gets a bunch of VETS and YES SIR's, players....

If that is true, that is why we will trouble attracting talent to come in the next couple of years, especially TOP TIER talents that we will need if we are going to be contenders...

While Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas gets offered MORE than him
Who knows if Shved might have taken a contract at about 3m or 2.8m ROOM exemption, however, when we had the Room Exemption left, he did say that if THE KNCKS DID NOT OFFER him more money that he will go back to Europe, so it is possible that he would have taken it which was never offered

2- Then AB signs a 2year vet min deal with BKLYN, who is still better than both Amundson and Lance Thomas

3- Then N Dour, with Fisher saying that we might not have room for him, though we signed LT and LA right before SUMMER LEAGUE started, knowing players were auditioning for us...

4- ANY ONE OF Shved, AB, and N Dour >>>> Than both Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas (that is the point, while both are 15th men at best that do not even deserve a roster spot and a vet min contract at best)

When we lose games because we lack talent will WORK ETHIC/HIGH CHARACTER help us attract FA's?
Isn't the whole point to put together a roster that could possibly attract FA's in the near future?

5- There are high character, high work ethic talents all over the league, it isn't just LA and LT, they only have 1/2 year experience in the Triangle, they do not have multiple years of experience like Ron Harper or Horace Grant in the Triangle...

They are not going to make KP or Grant any better
They will not help us attract better FA in the future
They will have 0 to negative trade value

6- WHO ARE WE SAVING THE ROOM EXEMPTION FOR?

7- WHO ARE WE SIGNING WITH THE LAST ROSTER SPOTS? As the FA market continues to dry up

I wanted to sign Jeff Taylor for a 2year vet min, he was a UFA that could play SG/SF, but could play a PG/SG with Galloway/Calderon who lack the ability to penetrate/create consistently, like Lance Stephenson/PJ Hairson

Then there is Justin Hamilton to play the Center on a 2year vet min deal, who is signing with The Suns

But DO NO FEAR, WE HAVE Lou Amundson, Lance Thomas, and THE MIGHTY TRIANGLE

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:

GetThePipe wrote:People are acting as if we lost out on some great young talent. He's a deep bench player, c'mon now.

Well, HE IS YOUNG TALENT that has a GOOD PHYSICAL PHYSICAL SKILLS FOR SOMEONE HIS SIZE
We found a gem, is he an ALL STAR now?
NO absolutely NOT, however, how did Draymond Green do his first 2 seasons in the League?
He was at the end of the bench that barely played and that is exactly our point, he is a player that is surely worth developing to find out, playing 4 years of college

N Dour put up impressive stats every season at SF/PF with a good mid range shot already and 3pt range in college being
He was a 20 and 10 in college with multiple steals and blocks in many games his last 2 seasons
After watching the Summer League you could why and that he is legit, with the ability to take it to the next level
Though he listed at 200pds, he surely could add some weight and get stronger, who knows if he can be developed in to STARTING material, but he is worth a roster spot to find out

Also, he was really likeable. He just hustled and worked hard. Whenever I saw him interviewed he was talking about how happy he was for his teammates. I don't know if the smart thing with those last two spots is to look for vets. Maybe a guy like Brand provides leadership and helps the young guys etc. but it seems like Ndour was the guy from the sl to sign.

Good comparison with Dray Green, Ron. Dude was actually a productive college player, much like Ndour, with similar skills. DG was a 2nd round pick that didn't look like much in the NBA at first but GS stuck with him and developed him into a real nice NBA rotation player. Point is, they drafted him, kept him around and developed him. Slightly different scenario as Ndour was an undrafted SL invite but the same theory applies here--wish we could've kept our guy and developed him just like GS developed Green. I think Ndour will wind up having a positive impact in the NBA a lot sooner than some realize, provided there's a commitment by either Dallas or someone else to bring him along..

And yeah, definitely Crush. In addition to showing discernible 2-way skills along with all-out hustle, he was a real likeable, positive guy. It's a shame to lose him the way we did. Indefensible..

RonRon wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:

GetThePipe wrote:People are acting as if we lost out on some great young talent. He's a deep bench player, c'mon now.

Well, HE IS YOUNG TALENT that has a GOOD PHYSICAL PHYSICAL SKILLS FOR SOMEONE HIS SIZE
We found a gem, is he an ALL STAR now?
NO absolutely NOT, however, how did Draymond Green do his first 2 seasons in the League?
He was at the end of the bench that barely played and that is exactly our point, he is a player that is surely worth developing to find out, playing 4 years of college

N Dour put up impressive stats every season at SF/PF with a good mid range shot already and 3pt range in college being
He was a 20 and 10 in college with multiple steals and blocks in many games his last 2 seasons
After watching the Summer League you could why and that he is legit, with the ability to take it to the next level
Though he listed at 200pds, he surely could add some weight and get stronger, who knows if he can be developed in to STARTING material, but he is worth a roster spot to find out

Also, he was really likeable. He just hustled and worked hard. Whenever I saw him interviewed he was talking about how happy he was for his teammates. I don't know if the smart thing with those last two spots is to look for vets. Maybe a guy like Brand provides leadership and helps the young guys etc. but it seems like Ndour was the guy from the sl to sign.

N Dour didn't seem like he was 200 pds to me though, he did not get pushed around and he was extremely active
With a high motor on both ends, running down the floor, finishing through contact defending, challenging shots, and rebounded well, with versatility on both ends of the floor...
What more can you ask for?
His skills, style of play, high motor, soft touch, good cuts, and his physical abilities with size/athleticism/length/mobility ALL TRANSLATE in TODAYS game in multiple positions that he could play from SF through Center in small ball like Draymond Green at the 5, when he gains weight/strength

Yep, we knew from the way he played that he was going to be in demand BECAUSE HE GOT SKILLS THAT TRANSLATE and he is YOUNG and CHEAP

Crush, IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS A GOOD LOCKER ROOM PRESENCE, HIGH CHARACTER, and HE COULD PLAY, unlike Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas
That is why THAT IS SUCH BS, that we wasted 2 roster spots on those 2 scrubs, while there are plenty of players that can bring that attitude
They are both 15th man on our roster that cost 3m, it was a horrible decision to sign them to make Fisher's life easier
Fisher was simply NOT ready for this job
He had 0 thoughts of COACHING till he saw Jason Kidd and Steve Kerr get 5m per season, while he was still playing for OKC at the time...

That would be such BS, Crush, we signed a bunch of "high character" talents that lack skill already, we need players that will be part of our roster moving forward
I have a feeling this is about Fisher inability to coach, so he gets a bunch of VETS and YES SIR's, players....

If that is true, that is why we will trouble attracting talent to come in the next couple of years, especially TOP TIER talents that we will need if we are going to be contenders...

I'm having Deja guy. It's the Scott Layden era all over again