TheGame wrote:N

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:Grant looks like a solid PG who can shoot and pass. He should have no probably being serviceable, and I think he can get to borderline All-Star level. Derick Harper is a good comp, but I think Grant will be a better scorer. I think the kid will be a 17 pt, 8 ast, 3 RPG, 1 stl type guy.

based on what? Do you know how many guards picked in the first rounds were complete busts?

last offseason many fans were convinced that THJ was the next reggie miller. Now he looks like the next reggie williams.

No one thought THjr was the next Reggie Miller. Everyone said he needed to improve his defense and the other aspects of his game. This is just my opinion same as everyone else, but we have 4 years of college and a summer league to based an evaluation on, and he looks to be a solid player. How high he goes will depend on the work he puts in, but we have no reason to believe he will not put in that work. I stand by my assessment of his potential.

take a look at this thread:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47078&page=1

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:N

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:Grant looks like a solid PG who can shoot and pass. He should have no probably being serviceable, and I think he can get to borderline All-Star level. Derick Harper is a good comp, but I think Grant will be a better scorer. I think the kid will be a 17 pt, 8 ast, 3 RPG, 1 stl type guy.

based on what? Do you know how many guards picked in the first rounds were complete busts?

last offseason many fans were convinced that THJ was the next reggie miller. Now he looks like the next reggie williams.

No one thought THjr was the next Reggie Miller. Everyone said he needed to improve his defense and the other aspects of his game. This is just my opinion same as everyone else, but we have 4 years of college and a summer league to based an evaluation on, and he looks to be a solid player. How high he goes will depend on the work he puts in, but we have no reason to believe he will not put in that work. I stand by my assessment of his potential.

take a look at this thread:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47078&page=1

Proud to say I never posted in that one. I never liked Timmy. He seemed dumb and selfish. I think it's too early to tell on Grant, but I loved him in college ball, loved the way he played in SL and I think he has a much higher ceiling in the NBA than Timmy.

I could easily see Grant being a starting point guard for a very solid playoffs team. Absolutely 100%. Only other recent Knicks rookie I've said that about is Shump, who started for the Cavs in the Finals this year.

Other than that? Who knows. Enjoy the ride. Maybe he becomes the next Jrue Holiday, maybe he becomes the first Jerian Grant.

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:N

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:Grant looks like a solid PG who can shoot and pass. He should have no probably being serviceable, and I think he can get to borderline All-Star level. Derick Harper is a good comp, but I think Grant will be a better scorer. I think the kid will be a 17 pt, 8 ast, 3 RPG, 1 stl type guy.

based on what? Do you know how many guards picked in the first rounds were complete busts?

last offseason many fans were convinced that THJ was the next reggie miller. Now he looks like the next reggie williams.

No one thought THjr was the next Reggie Miller. Everyone said he needed to improve his defense and the other aspects of his game. This is just my opinion same as everyone else, but we have 4 years of college and a summer league to based an evaluation on, and he looks to be a solid player. How high he goes will depend on the work he puts in, but we have no reason to believe he will not put in that work. I stand by my assessment of his potential.

take a look at this thread:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47078&page=1

fitzfarm wrote:Thjr is the best rookie the Knicks have had in a long time... The kid kinda reminds me of Reggie miller type that can get to the hole as well. Sky is the limit for thjr...

mreinman wrote:Thjr ain't no reggie miller. sheeesh talking about jumping the gun (no disrespect but this is typical in NY).

This is TYPICAL whenever someone mentions that a kid REMINDS them of a great player, someone takes it that the poster was saying they were EXACTLY as good as that player, when that's not what was being said. It happens all the freakin time and it's annoying.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:N

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:Grant looks like a solid PG who can shoot and pass. He should have no probably being serviceable, and I think he can get to borderline All-Star level. Derick Harper is a good comp, but I think Grant will be a better scorer. I think the kid will be a 17 pt, 8 ast, 3 RPG, 1 stl type guy.

based on what? Do you know how many guards picked in the first rounds were complete busts?

last offseason many fans were convinced that THJ was the next reggie miller. Now he looks like the next reggie williams.

No one thought THjr was the next Reggie Miller. Everyone said he needed to improve his defense and the other aspects of his game. This is just my opinion same as everyone else, but we have 4 years of college and a summer league to based an evaluation on, and he looks to be a solid player. How high he goes will depend on the work he puts in, but we have no reason to believe he will not put in that work. I stand by my assessment of his potential.

take a look at this thread:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47078&page=1

This is your evidence that "many fans were convinced that THJ was the next Reggie Miller"??? Come on man it was at most a couple of posters who MENTIONED Reggie Miller. This is why you and I get into these disagreements. You overstate and exaggerate things to try and make a point.

fitzfarm wrote:Thjr is the best rookie the Knicks have had in a long time... The kid kinda reminds me of Reggie miller type that can get to the hole as well. Sky is the limit for thjr...

mreinman wrote:Thjr ain't no reggie miller. sheeesh talking about jumping the gun (no disrespect but this is typical in NY).

This is TYPICAL whenever someone mentions that a kid REMINDS them of a great player, someone takes it that the poster was saying they were EXACTLY as good as that player, when that's not what was being said. It happens all the freakin time and it's annoying.

how many times to you have sill expectations and end up being wrong. I don't find you annoying anymore though, I find you amusing.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47955

Btw, I am guilty of this too sometimes as well. I thought cole was better than I thought based on my amateur eyes but at least I can admit it.

Go ahead ... expect grant to be the next Mike Conley. And when he isn't, have your excuses ready.

Landry Fields did not turn into Bernard King, D Russell will not be Clyde Frazier, Ok4 is NOT tim duncan etc ... posters say this crap all the time.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:N

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:Grant looks like a solid PG who can shoot and pass. He should have no probably being serviceable, and I think he can get to borderline All-Star level. Derick Harper is a good comp, but I think Grant will be a better scorer. I think the kid will be a 17 pt, 8 ast, 3 RPG, 1 stl type guy.

based on what? Do you know how many guards picked in the first rounds were complete busts?

last offseason many fans were convinced that THJ was the next reggie miller. Now he looks like the next reggie williams.

No one thought THjr was the next Reggie Miller. Everyone said he needed to improve his defense and the other aspects of his game. This is just my opinion same as everyone else, but we have 4 years of college and a summer league to based an evaluation on, and he looks to be a solid player. How high he goes will depend on the work he puts in, but we have no reason to believe he will not put in that work. I stand by my assessment of his potential.

take a look at this thread:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47078&page=1

This is your evidence that "many fans were convinced that THJ was the next Reggie Miller"??? Come on man it was at most a couple of posters who MENTIONED Reggie Miller. This is why you and I get into these disagreements. You overstate and exaggerate things to try and make a point.

fitzfarm wrote:Thjr is the best rookie the Knicks have had in a long time... The kid kinda reminds me of Reggie miller type that can get to the hole as well. Sky is the limit for thjr...

mreinman wrote:Thjr ain't no reggie miller. sheeesh talking about jumping the gun (no disrespect but this is typical in NY).

This is TYPICAL whenever someone mentions that a kid REMINDS them of a great player, someone takes it that the poster was saying they were EXACTLY as good as that player, when that's not what was being said. It happens all the freakin time and it's annoying.

how many times to you have sill expectations and end up being wrong. I don't find you annoying anymore though, I find you amusing.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47955

Btw, I am guilty of this too sometimes as well. I thought cole was better than I thought based on my amateur eyes but at least I can admit it.

Go ahead ... expect grant to be the next Mike Conley. And when he isn't, have your excuses ready.

Landry Fields did not turn into Bernard King, D Russell will not be Clyde Frazier, Ok4 is NOT tim duncan etc ... posters say this crap all the time.

Sometimes we all make statements that don't turn out to be right. What i'm saying is that often posters are making comps but not saying that they think a player is going to be exactly like a HOF'er or exactly the same as the player they are bringing up. They just see certain characteristics that are similar or they feel they have the potential to be in the same range as a player. Doesn't mean they're gonna be right but there's a huge difference between saying someone is "Kind of Like" or "Reminds me Of" or "A similar Type" and someone saying that they are "exactly the same" or they'll be the "Next" whoever.

With regard to Jerian the only thing people are trying to do is make a guess for what they think he has the potential to be as a player. Just because some of our picks didn't reach their potential here doesn't mean that we should never try to make a guess about what a player may be able to do. I'm not seeing any particular argument you've put forward that makes the case for why you think Jerian will be limited to a Charlier Ward type Career. Jerian had a better college basketball career and has shown he's a very capable player. No one is suggesting he'll be a great player and surely hoping for Mike Conley like production isn't going overboard at all. You're saying we should be happy with "serviceable" and I think that's just your own pessimistic take on things that isn't based on any particular evidence or rationale you've observed. Show us why you think Mike Conley levels are so out of bounds.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:N

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:Grant looks like a solid PG who can shoot and pass. He should have no probably being serviceable, and I think he can get to borderline All-Star level. Derick Harper is a good comp, but I think Grant will be a better scorer. I think the kid will be a 17 pt, 8 ast, 3 RPG, 1 stl type guy.

based on what? Do you know how many guards picked in the first rounds were complete busts?

last offseason many fans were convinced that THJ was the next reggie miller. Now he looks like the next reggie williams.

No one thought THjr was the next Reggie Miller. Everyone said he needed to improve his defense and the other aspects of his game. This is just my opinion same as everyone else, but we have 4 years of college and a summer league to based an evaluation on, and he looks to be a solid player. How high he goes will depend on the work he puts in, but we have no reason to believe he will not put in that work. I stand by my assessment of his potential.

take a look at this thread:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47078&page=1

This is your evidence that "many fans were convinced that THJ was the next Reggie Miller"??? Come on man it was at most a couple of posters who MENTIONED Reggie Miller. This is why you and I get into these disagreements. You overstate and exaggerate things to try and make a point.

fitzfarm wrote:Thjr is the best rookie the Knicks have had in a long time... The kid kinda reminds me of Reggie miller type that can get to the hole as well. Sky is the limit for thjr...

mreinman wrote:Thjr ain't no reggie miller. sheeesh talking about jumping the gun (no disrespect but this is typical in NY).

This is TYPICAL whenever someone mentions that a kid REMINDS them of a great player, someone takes it that the poster was saying they were EXACTLY as good as that player, when that's not what was being said. It happens all the freakin time and it's annoying.

how many times to you have sill expectations and end up being wrong. I don't find you annoying anymore though, I find you amusing.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47955

Btw, I am guilty of this too sometimes as well. I thought cole was better than I thought based on my amateur eyes but at least I can admit it.

Go ahead ... expect grant to be the next Mike Conley. And when he isn't, have your excuses ready.

Landry Fields did not turn into Bernard King, D Russell will not be Clyde Frazier, Ok4 is NOT tim duncan etc ... posters say this crap all the time.

Sometimes we all make statements that don't turn out to be right. What i'm saying is that often posters are making comps but not saying that they think a player is going to be exactly like a HOF'er or exactly the same as the player they are bringing up. They just see certain characteristics that are similar or they feel they have the potential to be in the same range as a player. Doesn't mean they're gonna be right but there's a huge difference between saying someone is "Kind of Like" or "Reminds me Of" or "A similar Type" and someone saying that they are "exactly the same" or they'll be the "Next" whoever.

With regard to Jerian the only thing people are trying to do is make a guess for what they think he has the potential to be as a player. Just because some of our picks didn't reach their potential here doesn't mean that we should never try to make a guess about what a player may be able to do. I'm not seeing any particular argument you've put forward that makes the case for why you think Jerian will be limited to a Charlier Ward type Career. Jerian had a better college basketball career and has shown he's a very capable player. No one is suggesting he'll be a great player and surely hoping for Mike Conley like production isn't going overboard at all. You're saying we should be happy with "serviceable" and I think that's just your own pessimistic take on things that isn't based on any particular evidence or rationale you've observed. Show us why you think Mike Conley levels are so out of bounds.

Hoping for Mike Conley is not going overboard.

Expecting Mike Conley is stupid.

I would suspect that the Lakers are HOPING that Russell is a Steph Curry type or else why take him at #2? Everyone has some kind of expectations on these prospects. I would venture a guess that Phil wasn't trading for Jerian if he thought he was getting a "Serviceable" PG. That would hardly seem to make it worth the effort. Jerian isn't the sexy pick but I think he's shown that he will perform at a high level against good competition. Jerian seems like he will get it done with more guile than raw physical talent like a DRose or John Wall. I think what helps Jerian most is his BB IQ.

newyorker4ever wrote:The best comparison i heard came from Wally and A.Hahn earlier in the season where they said he looks like he could be a Rod Strickland type of player. Again that was early in the season and with him not showing much growth yet whether that be because of himself or not getting playing time i can still see him turning into that type of player but he's gonna need a lot more time than any of us were hoping.

at this point I would be happy with him being a charlie ward.

Or, maybe this is just not the offense for him and he is more suited (like most) for heavy PnR. Look how good larkin is doing.

meloanyk wrote:Toure Murray

Alexey Shved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!