holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

when you take away the rebounding numbers, you have 0 clue what you are talking about.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The players signed were designed to be placed around 2 stars. Lopez and Afflalo are top-tier role players and O'Quinn and Williams are secondary role players who offer some upside still based on their age. This also shows the faith in KP. Melo and KP are those 2 stars. As Melo begins to decline in the coming years, hopefully KP will come into his own, and be ready for a big time role. There should be a window of a couple of years where Melo is still a near-all-star scorer in less minutes and usage and KP is entering his early star years. This will probably be years 3 and 4 if we consider this year 1. That is hopefully a window this team can do some real damage in the playoffs, and maybe have some luck along the way as well with the development of some of our other young guys.

These two role players were logging major minutes on the bench in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...RoLo stats for the 5 playoffs games in 2015..23 mins..5 pts, 4 rebs....Aflalo stats in 3 games...20 mins FG 17%, 2 rebs, 0.7 asst, 0 stl, 0 blk, 1.7 pts...Let's hope Aflalo was hurt...

I'm going to reserve my opinion on Lopez. I want to see how he looks in this system. Maybe he develops into something more than an expensive role player. Maybe we will be pulling our hair out and wondering why we signed this guy for 4 years at $13.5mil per. I was very much against signing Lopez. He is just too slow and hard to watch but hopefully he does have superior basketball IQ and fits in and becomes a leader

So that is where I stand on Lopez. I don't want to see someone bring up this thread in a year and look like a complete moron like the people who support every move ie the trade for Andrea Bargnani for our 2016 1st.

I love the other moves: Drafting KP & signing Affalo, DW & KO

The scary thing is that Lopez today is not better than Tyson today...

What's the point of comparing Tyson and Lopez? It's not about one player directly compared to another. Have you paid NO attention to what's going on around this team? It's gonna be about how the TEAM as a hole performs. We've done enough of this BS with the players we had not really sacrificing for the team. Let's try doing this with a team full of players that want to be here and will sacrifice for the team and Go hard for the Team for a change. You can see the attitude of the SL team is already much more about camaraderie, sharing and team effort. Who wants to go back to the old way of doing things?

One thing has nothing to do with the other..Tyson is a team player..He is also better than Lopez..

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The players signed were designed to be placed around 2 stars. Lopez and Afflalo are top-tier role players and O'Quinn and Williams are secondary role players who offer some upside still based on their age. This also shows the faith in KP. Melo and KP are those 2 stars. As Melo begins to decline in the coming years, hopefully KP will come into his own, and be ready for a big time role. There should be a window of a couple of years where Melo is still a near-all-star scorer in less minutes and usage and KP is entering his early star years. This will probably be years 3 and 4 if we consider this year 1. That is hopefully a window this team can do some real damage in the playoffs, and maybe have some luck along the way as well with the development of some of our other young guys.

These two role players were logging major minutes on the bench in crunch time for Portland during the playoffs...RoLo stats for the 5 playoffs games in 2015..23 mins..5 pts, 4 rebs....Aflalo stats in 3 games...20 mins FG 17%, 2 rebs, 0.7 asst, 0 stl, 0 blk, 1.7 pts...Let's hope Aflalo was hurt...

I'm going to reserve my opinion on Lopez. I want to see how he looks in this system. Maybe he develops into something more than an expensive role player. Maybe we will be pulling our hair out and wondering why we signed this guy for 4 years at $13.5mil per. I was very much against signing Lopez. He is just too slow and hard to watch but hopefully he does have superior basketball IQ and fits in and becomes a leader

So that is where I stand on Lopez. I don't want to see someone bring up this thread in a year and look like a complete moron like the people who support every move ie the trade for Andrea Bargnani for our 2016 1st.

I love the other moves: Drafting KP & signing Affalo, DW & KO

The scary thing is that Lopez today is not better than Tyson today...

What's the point of comparing Tyson and Lopez? It's not about one player directly compared to another. Have you paid NO attention to what's going on around this team? It's gonna be about how the TEAM as a hole performs. We've done enough of this BS with the players we had not really sacrificing for the team. Let's try doing this with a team full of players that want to be here and will sacrifice for the team and Go hard for the Team for a change. You can see the attitude of the SL team is already much more about camaraderie, sharing and team effort. Who wants to go back to the old way of doing things?

One thing has nothing to do with the other..Tyson is a team player..He is also better than Lopez..

Right now he is but I doubt he will be for their entire four year contracts.

thats why he went to phoenix. that staff can perform miracles

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

when you take away the rebounding numbers, you have 0 clue what you are talking about.

I have zero clue of what I'm talking about???..Please post me RoLo's playoff stats from 2015..I watched the playoffs..RoLo was non existent and on the bench in crunch time..23 min, 5 pts, 4.4 reb...I have no clue who u think u were getting..

The Grizz were one of the better teams in the league and the Blazers had some real defensive issues with their guards. Lillard and Blake are bad defenders and Afflalo was injured. They just couldn't put up a great defense. I think it's just too simplistic to look at a bad playoff series and conclude that the players aren't going to bring value off of that. You could do the same exercise with all losing teams in the playoffs.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

when you take away the rebounding numbers, you have 0 clue what you are talking about.

I have zero clue of what I'm talking about???..Please post me RoLo's playoff stats from 2015..I watched the playoffs..RoLo was non existent and on the bench in crunch time..23 min, 5 pts, 4.4 reb...I have no clue who u think u were getting..

You can talk ish about RoLo but at least he helped his team make the playoffs and in the toughest Conference. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on RoLo's playoff performance. The Blazers were a mess in the playoffs and it wasn't RoLo's fault. He's there to support the effort and not lead the effort. If other key players aren't doing their job it puts pressure on the role players to do more than they should and can have an adverse effect.

The Grizz were one of the better teams in the league and the Blazers had some real defensive issues with their guards. Lillard and Blake are bad defenders and Afflalo was injured. They just couldn't put up a great defense. I think it's just too simplistic to look at a bad playoff series and conclude that the players aren't going to bring value off of that. You could do the same exercise with all losing teams in the playoffs.

Why do u take such offense to facts if it doesn't suit your narrative..Why would u get pissed if I said RoLo stats were 23 min 5 pts 4 reb for the playoffs...Are u pissed at ESPN for posting them??

his usage went down significantly with the blazers... playing with aldridge and lilliard, who both dominated the ball, will have that kind of negative affect.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

when you take away the rebounding numbers, you have 0 clue what you are talking about.

I have zero clue of what I'm talking about???..Please post me RoLo's playoff stats from 2015..I watched the playoffs..RoLo was non existent and on the bench in crunch time..23 min, 5 pts, 4.4 reb...I have no clue who u think u were getting..

You can talk ish about RoLo but at least he helped his team make the playoffs and in the toughest Conference. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on RoLo's playoff performance. The Blazers were a mess in the playoffs and it wasn't RoLo's fault. He's there to support the effort and not lead the effort. If other key players aren't doing their job it puts pressure on the role players to do more than they should and can have an adverse effect.

The Grizz were one of the better teams in the league and the Blazers had some real defensive issues with their guards. Lillard and Blake are bad defenders and Afflalo was injured. They just couldn't put up a great defense. I think it's just too simplistic to look at a bad playoff series and conclude that the players aren't going to bring value off of that. You could do the same exercise with all losing teams in the playoffs.

Why do u take such offense to facts if it doesn't suit your narrative..Why would u get pissed if I said RoLo stats were 23 min 5 pts 4 reb for the playoffs...Are u pissed at ESPN for posting them??

his usage went down significantly with the blazers... playing with aldridge and lilliard, who both dominated the ball, will have that kind of negative affect.

Point was he couldn't help them in the playoffs because he doesn't have that kind of game...We essentially needed a body in the middle..

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

when you take away the rebounding numbers, you have 0 clue what you are talking about.

I have zero clue of what I'm talking about???..Please post me RoLo's playoff stats from 2015..I watched the playoffs..RoLo was non existent and on the bench in crunch time..23 min, 5 pts, 4.4 reb...I have no clue who u think u were getting..

You can talk ish about RoLo but at least he helped his team make the playoffs and in the toughest Conference. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on RoLo's playoff performance. The Blazers were a mess in the playoffs and it wasn't RoLo's fault. He's there to support the effort and not lead the effort. If other key players aren't doing their job it puts pressure on the role players to do more than they should and can have an adverse effect.

The Grizz were one of the better teams in the league and the Blazers had some real defensive issues with their guards. Lillard and Blake are bad defenders and Afflalo was injured. They just couldn't put up a great defense. I think it's just too simplistic to look at a bad playoff series and conclude that the players aren't going to bring value off of that. You could do the same exercise with all losing teams in the playoffs.

Why do u take such offense to facts if it doesn't suit your narrative..Why would u get pissed if I said RoLo stats were 23 min 5 pts 4 reb for the playoffs...Are u pissed at ESPN for posting them??

his usage went down significantly with the blazers... playing with aldridge and lilliard, who both dominated the ball, will have that kind of negative affect.

Point was he couldn't help them in the playoffs because he doesn't have that kind of game...We essentially needed a body in the middle..

doesn't have what kind of game? what the devil are you talking about? lilliard was exposed as a tweener who cannot orchestrate and aldridge is a shot jacker. you always put the blame on role players instead of "stars" with "flaws." what is your problem?

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

when you take away the rebounding numbers, you have 0 clue what you are talking about.

I have zero clue of what I'm talking about???..Please post me RoLo's playoff stats from 2015..I watched the playoffs..RoLo was non existent and on the bench in crunch time..23 min, 5 pts, 4.4 reb...I have no clue who u think u were getting..

You can talk ish about RoLo but at least he helped his team make the playoffs and in the toughest Conference. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on RoLo's playoff performance. The Blazers were a mess in the playoffs and it wasn't RoLo's fault. He's there to support the effort and not lead the effort. If other key players aren't doing their job it puts pressure on the role players to do more than they should and can have an adverse effect.

The Grizz were one of the better teams in the league and the Blazers had some real defensive issues with their guards. Lillard and Blake are bad defenders and Afflalo was injured. They just couldn't put up a great defense. I think it's just too simplistic to look at a bad playoff series and conclude that the players aren't going to bring value off of that. You could do the same exercise with all losing teams in the playoffs.

Why do u take such offense to facts if it doesn't suit your narrative..Why would u get pissed if I said RoLo stats were 23 min 5 pts 4 reb for the playoffs...Are u pissed at ESPN for posting them??

his usage went down significantly with the blazers... playing with aldridge and lilliard, who both dominated the ball, will have that kind of negative affect.

Point was he couldn't help them in the playoffs because he doesn't have that kind of game...We essentially needed a body in the middle..

No the point is that maybe the Blazers didn't use RoLo to his best ability. LMA and Lillard forcing up bad shots doesn't help RoLo or the team work better. RoLo can score efficiently if you give him the opportunities and your offense isn't as predictable as the Blazers became. Here in NY we will make better use of all of our players. All players get to play a significant role rather than watching 2 guys take all the shots and hog the ball. You can't help if you're ignored. The Blazers style of play was faulty.

He wasn't ignored he was benched...Bu that's not a bad thing or anything to be upset about..He is what he is..He wont change because he is in a Knick uni...He will be useful because we need bodies..But don't expect much..

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The players signed were designed to be placed around 2 stars. Lopez and Afflalo are top-tier role players and O'Quinn and Williams are secondary role players who offer some upside still based on their age. This also shows the faith in KP. Melo and KP are those 2 stars. As Melo begins to decline in the coming years, hopefully KP will come into his own, and be ready for a big time role. There should be a window of a couple of years where Melo is still a near-all-star scorer in less minutes and usage and KP is entering his early star years. This will probably be years 3 and 4 if we consider this year 1. That is hopefully a window this team can do some real damage in the playoffs, and maybe have some luck along the way as well with the development of some of our other young guys.

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nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:They call RoLo a defensive player because there is no other way to describe him..He has no offensive game..This 7 footer rebounds less than than his brother, 6.7 per game, which is also less than Melo, who is a perimeter player...

when you take away the rebounding numbers, you have 0 clue what you are talking about.

I have zero clue of what I'm talking about???..Please post me RoLo's playoff stats from 2015..I watched the playoffs..RoLo was non existent and on the bench in crunch time..23 min, 5 pts, 4.4 reb...I have no clue who u think u were getting..

You can talk ish about RoLo but at least he helped his team make the playoffs and in the toughest Conference. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on RoLo's playoff performance. The Blazers were a mess in the playoffs and it wasn't RoLo's fault. He's there to support the effort and not lead the effort. If other key players aren't doing their job it puts pressure on the role players to do more than they should and can have an adverse effect.

The Grizz were one of the better teams in the league and the Blazers had some real defensive issues with their guards. Lillard and Blake are bad defenders and Afflalo was injured. They just couldn't put up a great defense. I think it's just too simplistic to look at a bad playoff series and conclude that the players aren't going to bring value off of that. You could do the same exercise with all losing teams in the playoffs.

Why do u take such offense to facts if it doesn't suit your narrative..Why would u get pissed if I said RoLo stats were 23 min 5 pts 4 reb for the playoffs...Are u pissed at ESPN for posting them??

his usage went down significantly with the blazers... playing with aldridge and lilliard, who both dominated the ball, will have that kind of negative affect.

Point was he couldn't help them in the playoffs because he doesn't have that kind of game...We essentially needed a body in the middle..

No the point is that maybe the Blazers didn't use RoLo to his best ability. LMA and Lillard forcing up bad shots doesn't help RoLo or the team work better. RoLo can score efficiently if you give him the opportunities and your offense isn't as predictable as the Blazers became. Here in NY we will make better use of all of our players. All players get to play a significant role rather than watching 2 guys take all the shots and hog the ball. You can't help if you're ignored. The Blazers style of play was faulty.

He wasn't ignored he was benched...Bu that's not a bad thing or anything to be upset about..He is what he is..He wont change because he is in a Knick uni...He will be useful because we need bodies..But don't expect much..

They never really gave RoLo a chance to be more of a factor. This offense will at least keep him involved. That's not to say he'll be the focus of the offense, but he won't be totally ignored. This system is about Ball and Player movement. Everyone touches the ball. Everyone can be a scoring threat. Sharing the ball and constant motion will create more good scoring opportunities for RoLo and everyone on this roster. This roster is built on team oriented players who are willing passers.

Yeah, you said that after you got thru blaming JR for ruining the triangle..The team got worse running that stuff.. But U can live in that fantasy world..

I have no idea what your talking about. The team actually got better after the trade. 5-35 before and 12-30 after. And that was without Melo for much of that time. If Melo was healthy they would've won a lot more games after the trade.

Look you can have your pissy attitude towards what the team is doing but you're sounding foolish given the way things have panned out this summer. It's very likely that this mix of players will be the right mix and be more successful. This is just stage one of this new direction. It's not about the individuals which you seem to keep focusing on. It's about how the team functions as a whole. It's not just a cliche it's the truth. You can judge this team on what the individual names mean to you. Seems like you're stuck with the old way of thinking and need to get up to speed on what this team is about now.