TPercy wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I don't get this move at all. So many better options out there for a roster spot. How many open spots do we have now anyway? You figure one is almost certainly going to Thanasis (who, if so, should occupy the Lance Thomas spot). If anything, Thomas should've been allowed to compete for a spot with the SL team. I mean WTF--this dude Mo N'dour looks like a vastly superior player to Lance Thomas. Not only that--Shved is much more of a priority. WTF man--get Shved done first--or at least OFFICIALLY offer Shved either the room exception or the rest of the cap space, either/or. Let me hear he turned both down, then I'll move on. Now Phil went and torpedoed one avenue to bring Shved back. Sorry, Lance Thomas doesn't do a thing for me. Better players in the DL for Pete's sake. Not happy.

Phil has a team of NBA professionals, so he clearly knows what he was doing with this move. We are just coach potatos who drink beer all day. If it is any consolation, newyorkerforver was offering to text Phil Jackson that people were not okay with this deal.

Oh gimmie a friggin' break with Lance Thomas being a professional, OK? These guys are all professionals... It's about prioritizing, talent evaluation and finalizing this roster the right way. On what planet is Lance Thomas more of a priority than Alexey Shved?? Someone care to explain that to me. What criteria are we using to determine that exactly? Is he more talented than Alexey Shved? The answer is a resounding NO here. Oh, but I guess he's more professional and statesmanlike though, right? I mean come on man, WTF are we talking about here??? Bottom line--Shved performed extremely well here, much better than Lance Thomas, and should've been more of a priority to bring back. Case closed. I had Shved as the starting SG for Christ's sake, or at the very least first guard off the bench. Lance Thomas shouldn't even be on the team, let alone in the rotation. Look, if for some reason Shved's the one playing hardball here and being unreasonable with a contract demand, fine, but tell us! Let us know! Haven't heard anything about that--if that was going on, we would've heard about it. Begley over at ESPN stated the Knicks offered Shved a vet minimum contract early on in FA that he turned down (less than what we just gave Thomas I believe btw -- a slap in the face quite honestly, based on how Shved performed). That's the only bit of news I've heard regarding bringing Shved back. Nothing else. Not only is Lance Thomas a fringe NBA player, we didn't need him back--we have that position covered and if we wanted more depth at that spot, there are better options. Lance Thomas returning over Alexey Shved is hard to swallow. All there is to say.

Finestrg wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I don't get this move at all. So many better options out there for a roster spot. How many open spots do we have now anyway? You figure one is almost certainly going to Thanasis (who, if so, should occupy the Lance Thomas spot). If anything, Thomas should've been allowed to compete for a spot with the SL team. I mean WTF--this dude Mo N'dour looks like a vastly superior player to Lance Thomas. Not only that--Shved is much more of a priority. WTF man--get Shved done first--or at least OFFICIALLY offer Shved either the room exception or the rest of the cap space, either/or. Let me hear he turned both down, then I'll move on. Now Phil went and torpedoed one avenue to bring Shved back. Sorry, Lance Thomas doesn't do a thing for me. Better players in the DL for Pete's sake. Not happy.

Phil has a team of NBA professionals, so he clearly knows what he was doing with this move. We are just coach potatos who drink beer all day. If it is any consolation, newyorkerforver was offering to text Phil Jackson that people were not okay with this deal.

Oh gimmie a friggin' break with Lance Thomas being a professional, OK? These guys are all professionals... It's about prioritizing, talent evaluation and finalizing this roster the right way. On what planet is Lance Thomas more of a priority than Alexey Shved?? Someone care to explain that to me. What criteria are we using to determine that exactly? Is he more talented than Alexey Shved? The answer is a resounding NO to both. Oh, but I guess he's more professional and statesmanlike though, right? I mean come on man, WTF are we talking about here??? Bottom line--Shved performed extremely well here, much better than Lance Thomas, and should've been more of a priority to bring back. Case closed. I had Shved as the starting SG for Christ's sake, or at the very least first guard off the bench. Lance Thomas shouldn't even be on the team, let alone in the rotation. Look, if for some reason Shved's the one playing hardball here and being unreasonable with a contract demand, fine, but tell us! Let us know! Haven't heard anything about that--if that was going on, we would've heard about it. Begley over at ESPN stated the Knicks offered Shved a vet minimum contract early on in FA that he turned down (less than what we just gave Thomas I believe btw -- a slap in the face quite honestly, based on how Shved performed). That's the only bit of news I've heard regarding bringing Shved back. Nothing else. Not only is Lance Thomas a fringe NBA player, we didn't need him back--we have that position covered and if we wanted more depth at that spot, there are better options. Lance Thomas returning over Alexey Shved is hard to swallow. All there is to say.

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I don't get this move at all. So many better options out there for a roster spot. How many open spots do we have now anyway? You figure one is almost certainly going to Thanasis (who, if so, should occupy the Lance Thomas spot). If anything, Thomas should've been allowed to compete for a spot with the SL team. I mean WTF--this dude Mo N'dour looks like a vastly superior player to Lance Thomas. Not only that--Shved is much more of a priority. WTF man--get Shved done first--or at least OFFICIALLY offer Shved either the room exception or the rest of the cap space, either/or. Let me hear he turned both down, then I'll move on. Now Phil went and torpedoed one avenue to bring Shved back. Sorry, Lance Thomas doesn't do a thing for me. Better players in the DL for Pete's sake. Not happy.

Phil has a team of NBA professionals, so he clearly knows what he was doing with this move. We are just coach potatos who drink beer all day. If it is any consolation, newyorkerforver was offering to text Phil Jackson that people were not okay with this deal.

Oh gimmie a friggin' break with Lance Thomas being a professional, OK? These guys are all professionals... It's about prioritizing, talent evaluation and finalizing this roster the right way. On what planet is Lance Thomas more of a priority than Alexey Shved?? Someone care to explain that to me. What criteria are we using to determine that exactly? Is he more talented than Alexey Shved? The answer is a resounding NO to both. Oh, but I guess he's more professional and statesmanlike though, right? I mean come on man, WTF are we talking about here??? Bottom line--Shved performed extremely well here, much better than Lance Thomas, and should've been more of a priority to bring back. Case closed. I had Shved as the starting SG for Christ's sake, or at the very least first guard off the bench. Lance Thomas shouldn't even be on the team, let alone in the rotation. Look, if for some reason Shved's the one playing hardball here and being unreasonable with a contract demand, fine, but tell us! Let us know! Haven't heard anything about that--if that was going on, we would've heard about it. Begley over at ESPN stated the Knicks offered Shved a vet minimum contract early on in FA that he turned down (less than what we just gave Thomas I believe btw -- a slap in the face quite honestly, based on how Shved performed). That's the only bit of news I've heard regarding bringing Shved back. Nothing else. Not only is Lance Thomas a fringe NBA player, we didn't need him back--we have that position covered and if we wanted more depth at that spot, there are better options. Lance Thomas returning over Alexey Shved is hard to swallow. All there is to say.

I think he was being facetious...no?

I don't know, hard to tell. Maybe he was but that sentiment also appeared earlier in the thread. Refocusing on the unnecessary Thomas move itself which effectively torpedoed one of the two avenues we had available to bring back a more talented, much higher priority player--it's a real head-scratcher, Walt. Do you not agree? $27mm in cap room and we're not gonna bring back Alexey Shved?

Are you sure he wants to come back. Have you spoke him personally. A lot happens behind the scene and phil keeps most of it close to his chest.

Lopez,o'quin,Lou
KP,d will,LT
Melo,early,Greek
AA,shved,ledo
Grant,Galloway,caldron

Finestrg wrote:Looking back, I see TPercy was in fact being facetious. lol. I'm with him 100% -- I honestly don't get this move either. This guy's a vet minimum signing all the way if there was even a need for his services, which there isn't one. We had 2 options of around 3mm apiece to go out and get a couple of players over the minimum and to ruin one of those options on Lance Thomas is a kick to the gut. We have decent depth up front now with possibly 2 more intriguing frontcourt players coming from our own summer league team for minimum money--N'Dour and Galdikas. If anything, why not bring Cole Aldrich back for 1.6mm? That's money much better spent--at least there's an obvious need at backup C. Even in that instance for Cole though I wouldn't go over the minimum. Galdikas looks like he might have more to offer for less money. With these 2 solid options looming (not to mention quite a few other solid options out there for the minimum), why on Earth blow 1.6mm on Lance Thomas??? Anything over the minimum should now be spent to further upgrade the backcourt imo. Jerian Grant was a great pickup but he's still a rookie who doesn't even come close to fixing everything by himself. After Grant I argue our overall guard depth is still rather poor. Heck, we could've spent our 2 options of around 3mm on a Jeremy Lin/Alexey Shved combo. or maybe Shved/John Jenkins. Per Begley at ESPN we've only made Shved a vet minimum offer -- that's insulting.

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Their were players who deserved that money before he did. Thanasis spent a whole year in the D League for crap pay to be groomed in the triangle under the assumption that he would eventually make the first team the following year. it would have been overpay for him, but he makes more sense for that money because-he is younger--has higher upside, takes better shots, and is tank on defense. With Lou Amundson rumored to becoming back, I'll doubt Thanasis makes it to this team as a back to this team.

Cole Aldrich was one of the few plus players on our squad. decent defender, decent player on the offensive end. Lopez,OQuinn, Cole would have been a nice group of rim protectors. I doubt Cole comes back on the 1.4 million that is left because they're like 4 or 5 teams in dire need of a back up C.

I hope Phil can pull of Shved for the room exception or if Shved didn't want to come back he signed for a more than 3m somewhere else. I would ease up on this deal a bit. Nevertheless, I just don't think you use cap space to pay someone 600k more than the vet min deal.(Lance has been in like the league 4 years, so he would have a 1m deal)

BRIGGS wrote:That is the end of Scvheyd.

Well that's one good thing about the signing then...

Caseloads wrote:

nixluva wrote:RealGM has it listed that A 4 year vet minimum was listed at $1,015,421, tho it could be more now. http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/minimum_scale

To be honest it's not that much more they gave him and i'm sure they wanted to show him a little appreciation as a solid contributor to the change in attitude last year along with Amundson. I thought LT played hard and actually did good job. Don't know what was expected of him by some, but he was better than I thought he'd be and he played hard on D. Glad to see him back.

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You can't look at it like that -- this signing cut into one of our two avenues to lure a higher priority young player for slightly < $3mm. You have backcourt upgrades out there like Lin, Shved, even this John Jenkins, a former 1st round pick who can really shoot the ball and score a-la JJ Reddick. Our backcourt still needs work fellas! Lin was just signed for very reasonable money (so much so that we should've been engaged for his services) and Shved and Jenkins are still out there -- all of these guys could be had for very reasonable money yet slightly above their vet minimum. Lance Thomas isn't on that same level in my opinion.

This isn't a great move or a bad move its just a move. The guy learned the system, works hard, plays hard and quite frankly when he's got superior talent around him like Melo, Lopez, etc a guy like Lance Thomas is going to look like a good player.

We have a lot of young guys on this roster and quite frankly Lance Thomas is exactly the kind of guy you want around. You don't need a roster full of these guys but 1 or 2 can really help a team.

This notion that people think for $60mm Phil should be burning the circuit looking to fill every extra roster spot with the highest upside player have probably never played an organized team sport as an adult. You need balance. This was a fine roster balancing move. Are there higher upside players? Sure. Do they know the system and have Fisher's and staff's confidence and appreciation? Im guessing based on this signing the answer is no.

Roster is currently
1 Melo
2 Lopez
3 Calderon
4 Quinn
5 Williams
6 Affalo
7 Galloway
8 Early
9 Grant
10 Porzingis
11 Lance Thomas
12 Ledo ($200k partial)

Which leaves us with 3 spots to fill (these are my guesses)
13 Thanasis
14 Shved
15 Galdikas

Did I miss something? Seems to me that scenario has a young roster full of upside guys so Lance seems like a very logical player to balance that with some straight up blue collar approach. What will make it stick even more is when the young guys see Lance playing between Melo, Lopez, Affalo and Calderon and playing very good ball. I don't see rotation minutes in Lance Thomas's future, but why not? He might be the perfect forward to start next to Melo, and then never really play again until the 2nd half. He plays 15 minutes a game, 7 to start the 1st and 3rd. Just like Brewer did a few years ago. I could see something like that being a big help to starting the season

OR

You can post 18 times how giving Lance Thomas $1.bla a year CLEARLY SHOWS that Phil has no idea what he's doing. Retarded