Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:it really does look like the state tax in texas may be playing a bigger role than we think

He'd take home about 2 mil less of that 80 mil if he were in NY. That seems unlikely. You're observing the outcome (NY didn't get free agents) and inferring a highly unlikely cause IMO. Although I doubt money was the issue at all, the cost of living differences between NYC and Dallas are WAY bigger than the tax issues.

I was not inferring anything from players not coming to NY. NY Stinks and is a shytty place to play when they stink.

OK - then I misunderstood your comment before.

But how about Texas over another City with a reasonable cost of living?

Why doesn't every person in America live in the same state? It's just individual preference- some players go for money, some because they enjoy certain states, some because they are from there, it's nothing new.

Opportunity cost. The job market in many of these regions is not great. Your rhetorical question is not directly related though. Comparing the average worker to an NBA basketball player is apples to oranges. The same job is cost adjusted in most US firms. It makes logical sense. They only usually allow people to keep salaries in forced moves as an incentive.

At most, it's partly cost adjusted. They don't actually pay you 2.4 times as much for jobs in Manhattan as in Dallas, for example.

they don't need to since most 98 percent of the people who work in Manhattan don't live there. I don't know why you keep assuming that they do.

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:it really does look like the state tax in texas may be playing a bigger role than we think

He'd take home about 2 mil less of that 80 mil if he were in NY. That seems unlikely. You're observing the outcome (NY didn't get free agents) and inferring a highly unlikely cause IMO. Although I doubt money was the issue at all, the cost of living differences between NYC and Dallas are WAY bigger than the tax issues.

Just to add to that:
To make up for the tax difference, we'd have to pay him 82 mil and it would match the 80 mil in Dallas.
When I go to CNN's cost of living calculators, I find that to match the 80 mil that Dallas offered, we'd have to pay him closer to 200 mil.

If he lived in nyc with state and city income taxes he would be paying a little over 12% annually on 20 mil. Not sure how that turns into 2 million over the life if his contract. Some have suggested that the tax is only for games played in nyc. That is still a little over 1 mil annually. Can you explain your math?

I was also factoring in the federal income tax deduction but it's not clear if the money in state taxes would qualify for a federal income tax deduction. (I late replied saying that I thought it might potentially be closer to $5 mil than 2 mil.)

I think 5 mil might be about right. That is a signicant advantage in my opinion.

Sure, NYC also offers some advantages over Dallas. It's up to politicians to change the tax rate if their city is losing valuable employees or up to organizations to convince job candidates that they get something valuable for that money.

The is really a league issue as opposed to a federal or state issue. The league is creating an unfair advantage for these teams and should address it. You can create salary cap tiers. It's a rather easy fix.

It's a league issue if the owners of teams with high state taxes convince the commissioner (who is elected by the owners) to make it an issue. They haven't. Otherwise, it's just a bitter Knicks fans issue to put it bluntly.
What about adjusting for sales tax? Cost of living? Ensorements? Real estate prices?

They won't make it an issue. So I guess it is complaining (although an undeniable reality). The politicians won't change it for sports teams. That is a ridiculous suggestion IMO. A full scale would be insane plan to account for everything would be hard to implement. I think it is pretty fair to say Jordan walked away because he wasn't losing money and not because Cuban told him he would be Shaq. It should be addressed to level the playing field.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:it really does look like the state tax in texas may be playing a bigger role than we think

He'd take home about 2 mil less of that 80 mil if he were in NY. That seems unlikely. You're observing the outcome (NY didn't get free agents) and inferring a highly unlikely cause IMO. Although I doubt money was the issue at all, the cost of living differences between NYC and Dallas are WAY bigger than the tax issues.

I was not inferring anything from players not coming to NY. NY Stinks and is a shytty place to play when they stink.

OK - then I misunderstood your comment before.

But how about Texas over another City with a reasonable cost of living?

Why doesn't every person in America live in the same state? It's just individual preference- some players go for money, some because they enjoy certain states, some because they are from there, it's nothing new.

Opportunity cost. The job market in many of these regions is not great. Your rhetorical question is not directly related though. Comparing the average worker to an NBA basketball player is apples to oranges. The same job is cost adjusted in most US firms. It makes logical sense. They only usually allow people to keep salaries in forced moves as an incentive.

At most, it's partly cost adjusted. They don't actually pay you 2.4 times as much for jobs in Manhattan as in Dallas, for example.

they don't need to since most 98 percent of the people who work in Manhattan don't live there. I don't know why you keep assuming that they do.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:it really does look like the state tax in texas may be playing a bigger role than we think

He'd take home about 2 mil less of that 80 mil if he were in NY. That seems unlikely. You're observing the outcome (NY didn't get free agents) and inferring a highly unlikely cause IMO. Although I doubt money was the issue at all, the cost of living differences between NYC and Dallas are WAY bigger than the tax issues.

I was not inferring anything from players not coming to NY. NY Stinks and is a shytty place to play when they stink.

OK - then I misunderstood your comment before.

But how about Texas over another City with a reasonable cost of living?

Why doesn't every person in America live in the same state? It's just individual preference- some players go for money, some because they enjoy certain states, some because they are from there, it's nothing new.

Opportunity cost. The job market in many of these regions is not great. Your rhetorical question is not directly related though. Comparing the average worker to an NBA basketball player is apples to oranges. The same job is cost adjusted in most US firms. It makes logical sense. They only usually allow people to keep salaries in forced moves as an incentive.

At most, it's partly cost adjusted. They don't actually pay you 2.4 times as much for jobs in Manhattan as in Dallas, for example.

they don't need to since most 98 percent of the people who work in Manhattan don't live there. I don't know why you keep assuming that they do.

So in NYC you can tell employees, "The salaries will be comparable so long as you live far away and endure a long commute." That fully adjusts or compensates for the difference?

I don't think the salaries in NY are comparable, they are higher.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:it really does look like the state tax in texas may be playing a bigger role than we think

He'd take home about 2 mil less of that 80 mil if he were in NY. That seems unlikely. You're observing the outcome (NY didn't get free agents) and inferring a highly unlikely cause IMO. Although I doubt money was the issue at all, the cost of living differences between NYC and Dallas are WAY bigger than the tax issues.

I was not inferring anything from players not coming to NY. NY Stinks and is a shytty place to play when they stink.

OK - then I misunderstood your comment before.

But how about Texas over another City with a reasonable cost of living?

Why doesn't every person in America live in the same state? It's just individual preference- some players go for money, some because they enjoy certain states, some because they are from there, it's nothing new.

Opportunity cost. The job market in many of these regions is not great. Your rhetorical question is not directly related though. Comparing the average worker to an NBA basketball player is apples to oranges. The same job is cost adjusted in most US firms. It makes logical sense. They only usually allow people to keep salaries in forced moves as an incentive.

At most, it's partly cost adjusted. They don't actually pay you 2.4 times as much for jobs in Manhattan as in Dallas, for example.

they don't need to since most 98 percent of the people who work in Manhattan don't live there. I don't know why you keep assuming that they do.

So in NYC you can tell employees, "The salaries will be comparable so long as you live far away and endure a long commute." That fully adjusts or compensates for the difference?

I don't think the salaries in NY are comparable, they are higher.

Of course - but not enough to fully account for cost of living differences. I meant "comparable" after taking into account cost of living.

yeah ... you have to be rich or single to live in the city

Contract Salaries

and

Endorsement Salaries (which Lebron's endosrements salary makes more than his NBA contract the past couple years)

Trevor Ariza was offered the same salary to stay in Washington, however, he said it did factor in to his decision to join Houston instead of playing with John Wall, with a total of 3m, on a 4year 32m contract

Endorsements will follow Lebron James no matter where he goes, and the media (sports analyst and as a celebrity, with paparazzi)
These guys have families and are human beings as well, not constant attacks of the media

However, IF we can build a team that can contend for a TITLE, YOUNG players could take a complete different approach
Which are reasons why I think Phil Jackson did a poor job putting together the roster in Free Agency this summer, overpaying for Lopez on a 4year deal, along with Williams and a declining AFFalo (both of which have player options that work against us)

With Whiteside becoming a UFA next year and Miami can not offer him a 5year deal as they do not own his bird rights, though they can offer him a 1 and 1 deal then offering him a 5year extension after that with his FULL BIRD RIGHTS, if he wants to go that route

Marc Gasol and LA, with their agents, told us they were unlikely to consider New York, even if we targeted BOTH OF THEM
I would have preferred the Phil Jackson sign DEFENSIVE players along with bench players that will be part of FUTURE, like, along with cap friendly contracts,

Aminu (instead of Affalo)
Wesley Johnson (instead of Derrick Williams)

Jeremy Evan's 2years vet min

Instead of Lopez to a 4year 54m deal, which would be about 12.5m with 4.5m raises every year with no team option on 4th

Ajincia, Koufus, Lavoy Allen, (all to 4year deal with player options on 4th with salaries from 4m- 7m with raises that they got) as they all compete for playing time, at PF/C, with KP developing this year
They would get much more PT here instead of the limited roles to showcase their skills, as they likely will have a chance for 1-2 more contracts (likely 1 more for Koufus)
By next season, they will be our bench players on cap friendly deals with the C's available next season...

Our WORST case scenarios being

for less salaries, some vet mins...
Andray Blatche, Thabeet, Bass,

Joel Freeland/Serephin/Edoh
McGee/Larry Sanders *partial guarantee at best with his depression issues*
*with this scanerio we may take back some unwanted expiring's for assets*

While next year, we will be upgrading our PF/Center position, this season we would be getting a feel of what position KP will be playing, PF or/and Center in our near future, progressing at his own rate with

Whiteside *who would be our the #1 option to build around if he has anywhere close to the same year he did last season and would fit with KP
IF KP does show his upside this season, they both would compliment each other very well for BOTH OFFENSE AND DEFENSE, with REBOUNDING, as KP, as a stretch 4 could play HIGH LOW, would stretch the floor to allow Whiteside to get room down low to score 1v1
ON DEFENSE, they both are LONG, ATHLETIC, MOBILE/QUICK for PF/C, and both highly skilled, with KP being interchangeable with the Triangle OFFENSE

IF CA shows that he recovers and stays in New York, we would have a LEGIT #1, #2, #3 option to build around, with Whiteside and KP being the future of the franchise
if not we would be able to get assets, young players, and better use his cap space

Whiteside

Pau Gasol/Noah

Al Horford/Al Jefferson/MosGoV

Battum/Wilson Chandler/Gallo
Durant if he goes doesn't want to stay in OKC and CA isn't on the roster

Instead we have the ROLE PLAYERS WE HAVE that have player options on our future with Affalo/Derrick Williams and an OVERPAID ROLE PLAYER on Lopez
NONE OF WHICH has the ability to draw a double team or has have any DOMINANCE and DEFENSE/REBOUNDING/3pt shooting of The Lakers with Shaq/Kobe/Horry/Fox/Harper/Shaw and Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc/Rodman/Harper, or the versatility/dominance of Kobe/Pau/Bynum, Odom/Ariza/Fisher

meloshouldgo wrote:

mreinman wrote:Were they in that much better shape starting the free agent process?

Do we still think that Texas does not seem more attractive than NY?

I understand that Jordan was from there but many players are from the NY area and that does not seem to pull them back here.

Wes Mathews was a great signing.

Lin would be a good get.

People talk about money, but the issue is Melo. They would make up for more than the tax offset in endorsements in the NYC area. And it's not just about Nike. The NBA has made it clear, no one wants to play with Melo.

Nobody has been interested in playing with LeBron for less money since he left Miami. Rather interesting.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

mreinman wrote:Were they in that much better shape starting the free agent process?

Do we still think that Texas does not seem more attractive than NY?

I understand that Jordan was from there but many players are from the NY area and that does not seem to pull them back here.

Wes Mathews was a great signing.

Lin would be a good get.

People talk about money, but the issue is Melo. They would make up for more than the tax offset in endorsements in the NYC area. And it's not just about Nike. The NBA has made it clear, no one wants to play with Melo.

Nobody has been interested in playing with LeBron for less money since he left Miami. Rather interesting.

We weren't asking people to play for less money. We were ready to offer the max to the likes of Gasol, Jordan and Aldridge. They just didn't care to come here.

meloshouldgo wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

mreinman wrote:Were they in that much better shape starting the free agent process?

Do we still think that Texas does not seem more attractive than NY?

I understand that Jordan was from there but many players are from the NY area and that does not seem to pull them back here.

Wes Mathews was a great signing.

Lin would be a good get.

People talk about money, but the issue is Melo. They would make up for more than the tax offset in endorsements in the NYC area. And it's not just about Nike. The NBA has made it clear, no one wants to play with Melo.

Nobody has been interested in playing with LeBron for less money since he left Miami. Rather interesting.

We weren't asking people to play for less money. We were ready to offer the max to the likes of Gasol, Jordan and Aldridge. They just didn't care to come here.

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

mreinman wrote:Were they in that much better shape starting the free agent process?

Do we still think that Texas does not seem more attractive than NY?

I understand that Jordan was from there but many players are from the NY area and that does not seem to pull them back here.

Wes Mathews was a great signing.

Lin would be a good get.

People talk about money, but the issue is Melo. They would make up for more than the tax offset in endorsements in the NYC area. And it's not just about Nike. The NBA has made it clear, no one wants to play with Melo.

Nobody has been interested in playing with LeBron for less money since he left Miami. Rather interesting.

We weren't asking people to play for less money. We were ready to offer the max to the likes of Gasol, Jordan and Aldridge. They just didn't care to come here.

But it was less. No state income tax in Texas. NY state/city is almost 13 %. Posted an article above. Also, Jordan and Aldridge are from Texas. Gasol stayed with his team.

Solid article you posted above. The only thing I didn't get was why they focused on the 5th year so much. Without that we were paying him less every year despite being able to pay him more and an increasing rate. People used that with LeBron then he opted out so he made more by going to Miami.