meloshouldgo wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:How to folks see him as a player?

"Big Monster" pivot in the mold of Pekovic. True space eater. Has the disposition to outright bang. Nothing soft about this guy.

Problem with space eater types is they will classically lose about 20 games a year to injury.

It's always amusing because there's always some young player, typically an American One And Done, who was used to dominating on every level on pure athleticism, and will take for granted that most Euros are not pure bangers. Then a guy like Nurkic will drive that dumb SOB right into the ground.

NY will love him, thus Melo will always secretly hate him ( Can't have anyone cheering for anyone else in a Knicks uniform except Melo, lest Jimmy Dolan gets voicemail pleas from Leon Rose of CAA to do something so Melo will stop screaming at him long enough for LaLa to start screaming at him about why he doesn't have a bigger shoe deal.

They would be getting Nurkic, if this is a true rumor, in Year 2 of his rookie deal.

It would be nice to see a Knick actually feared on defense for once. It would also be nice to see someone in a Knick's uniform actually be willing to give up his body to bang it out in the post for once. ( Our Hasidic Renaissance Man in STAT would never do something like... uh...try on defense... why break a sweat when you have a film festival to go to while wearing a giant curtain? )

If the deal is there, I say take it.

All good information but still a question mark due to injury. PASS

We just watched the speed of the NBA finals and we want a 280 pound C with a patella tendon tear? I mean he might never be the same player? If he's healthy--ok but he may never even play for the Knicks. The last time we traded for an injured player it was Antonio Mcdyess with the same injury.

WaltLongmire wrote:I expect that Phil would take Kaminsky or Winslow at 7- I think Lyles is more of a 10-13 guy. DraftNet really likes him, though.

Maybe he was out of position, but I never saw anything special from him- he never really stood out.

The DExpress vids show a pretty sound player, not a great defender, though.

Looks like he has a good midrange shot and has some brains. Also saw some movement in the post that I liked.

Another young guy, who does not have his adult muscle yet.

Maybe he's the one who stood out in those KU practices. They would have seen him going up against Towns, Stein, and Johnson, maybe he showed something there.

For some reason I think of Earl Clark when I think of Lyles...not sure Lyles deserves this thought.

Are there any workout videos of him around? Would like to see if he's worked on his upper body.

Funny watching some of the DExpress clips for Lyles and seeing Stein getting pushed around or boxed out in the post at times. Lyles seemed stronger than Stein at.

He has a terrible write up at draft net everything we dont want from a 4.

Does not do one thing at an elite level ... Not a high flyer. A smooth athlete, but not very explosive ... Remains to be seen, but could potentially be relegated to a stretch 4 at the next level because of his lack of explosiveness ... Not especially quick, lacks speed ... Needs to improve his on-ball defense ... Does not possess great lateral quickness, which results in him getting beat off the bounce too often ... Struggles with defending quicker players ... Not overly athletic (for NBA’s standards) ... Inconsistent and struggles from the 3-point line (currently shooting 13 percent) ... Does not overmatch anyone on offense with the strength he has ... Needs to add more strength to his build and bulk up ... Slow-footed … Is not known for his shot blocking/rim protecting abilities … Does not have the abilities to be a good individual defender right now, especially in space ... Does not come up with many steals ... Average low post and perimeter defender ... Was asked to play as a 3 for much of the time, which played to his strengths as a face up scorer, but didn't help to improve upon his back to the basket skills

They went out of their way to say hes a shtty defender in almost every way.

Finestrg wrote:Kelenna Azubuike had this same injury as well. Dude never played for us. Made it back about 2 years after he suffered the injury with the Mavs I believe -- I don't think he was ever the same player. Pre-injury, Auz was a real nice player for GS. Just sayin' man. Walt was saying it before -- I'd be cautious if they approached Phil on this, not as much vice versa.

Who else had this same type of injury and made it back to top form? Rose and Westbrook went through several knee procedures but I don't the either tore the Patella tendon. Could be wrong...Anyone know?

Its as bad as it gets worse than ACL. Then you are talking 280 pounds. Hes going to move like a turtle. So our draft would be Lyles--slow footed non defender I think Lyles has some offensive ability but you dont give up pick 4 for him and a player who has a severe injury. Denver fcked us 10 years ago in the SAME exact way. DO NOT deal with DENVER. Stay with 4 take one of Porzingis Hezonja or Kaminsky. Trading down for 2 slow players in what will be an up tempo NBA? Were trying to win 14 games next year?

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Kelenna Azubuike had this same injury as well. Dude never played for us. Made it back about 2 years after he suffered the injury with the Mavs I believe -- I don't think he was ever the same player. Pre-injury, Auz was a real nice player for GS. Just sayin' man. Walt was saying it before -- I'd be cautious if they approached Phil on this, not as much vice versa.

Who else had this same type of injury and made it back to top form? Rose and Westbrook went through several knee procedures but I don't the either tore the Patella tendon. Could be wrong...Anyone know?

Its as bad as it gets worse than ACL. Then you are talking 280 pounds. Hes going to move like a turtle. So our draft would be Lyles--slow footed non defender I think Lyles has some offensive ability but you dont give up pick 4 for him and a player who has a severe injury. Denver fcked us 10 years ago in the SAME exact way. DO NOT deal with DENVER. Stay with 4 take one of Porzingis Hezonja or Kaminsky. Trading down for 2 slow players in what will be an up tempo NBA? Were trying to win 14 games next year?

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We just watched the speed of the NBA finals and we want a 280 pound C with a patella tendon tear? I mean he might never be the same player? If he's healthy--ok but he may never even play for the Knicks. The last time we traded for an injured player it was Antonio Mcdyess with the same injury.

None of the Knick's options are all that great.

1st Option - Take Nurkic in a deal, fill the center spot ( in theory) with someone who can actually play some semblance of defense, on his rookie deal, plus trade back and still have a pick within the SAME TIER of prospects around the same range. Taking Nurkic in might be just enough of a push to not sign Monroe, which means using the rest of that cap space on players who can actually round out the team.

2nd Option - Take player at 4, take Monroe in at max dollars, for his lousy defense. Be forced to either burn the pick for a pivot or go back into free agency and pay good money for one, giving you the ugly Melo on the wing situation, and capping you out from any kind of legit wing help.

Nurkic plus a pick gives the Knicks a better chance to spread out the resources they do have right now. He comes with risk, but that's why he's available in the first place.

When you operate in the same prospect tier, anyone in that tier could be someone who can help you. ( i.e. look at Julius Randle last year, would it have been a shock if he went 2 picks later? Would anyone say that was a bad value? The reality is that the Knicks headline Tier 2 of the first round. The Knicks can only leverage a trade down in that tier with a team who believes it can outsmart the rest of the field. Draft History shows those teams are often wrong.

It's a risk, but with the least talented roster in the entire league, only 1 first rounder in a three year span and trying to build around a one dimensional chucker like Melo, I say the Knicks make this deal.

I dont think there are too many 7-2+ athletic skill centers with 7-6 wingspans currently roaming the earth. Both really high upsides. We are where we are its still great position--lets not make it worse by trading down for a deal that makes no sense(injured player) Id do a deal where we trade down IF it made sense. But were giving up what a lot of people think can be stars. Denver wants to trade up for a reason--we havent taken a 4 pick in 25 years. Stop this madness and just take a high end pick and go with it.

BRIGGS wrote:Jay Bilas has Trey Lyles at 15 Chad Ford has him at 18 Draftxpress has him at 13 CBS has him at 18 and there is fair reason for that--hes not a two way player--hes not position ready--he lacks explosion--go look at explosive ability of Myles Turner who is ranked higher on every board as is Kaminsky. And exactly what would be trading down for? a Guy with a patella tendon injury who may never be the same?

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:I expect that Phil would take Kaminsky or Winslow at 7- I think Lyles is more of a 10-13 guy. DraftNet really likes him, though.

Maybe he was out of position, but I never saw anything special from him- he never really stood out.

The DExpress vids show a pretty sound player, not a great defender, though.

Looks like he has a good midrange shot and has some brains. Also saw some movement in the post that I liked.

Another young guy, who does not have his adult muscle yet.

Maybe he's the one who stood out in those KU practices. They would have seen him going up against Towns, Stein, and Johnson, maybe he showed something there.

For some reason I think of Earl Clark when I think of Lyles...not sure Lyles deserves this thought.

Are there any workout videos of him around? Would like to see if he's worked on his upper body.

Funny watching some of the DExpress clips for Lyles and seeing Stein getting pushed around or boxed out in the post at times. Lyles seemed stronger than Stein at.

He has a terrible write up at draft net everything we dont want from a 4.

Does not do one thing at an elite level ... Not a high flyer. A smooth athlete, but not very explosive ... Remains to be seen, but could potentially be relegated to a stretch 4 at the next level because of his lack of explosiveness ... Not especially quick, lacks speed ... Needs to improve his on-ball defense ... Does not possess great lateral quickness, which results in him getting beat off the bounce too often ... Struggles with defending quicker players ... Not overly athletic (for NBA’s standards) ... Inconsistent and struggles from the 3-point line (currently shooting 13 percent) ... Does not overmatch anyone on offense with the strength he has ... Needs to add more strength to his build and bulk up ... Slow-footed … Is not known for his shot blocking/rim protecting abilities … Does not have the abilities to be a good individual defender right now, especially in space ... Does not come up with many steals ... Average low post and perimeter defender ... Was asked to play as a 3 for much of the time, which played to his strengths as a face up scorer, but didn't help to improve upon his back to the basket skills

They went out of their way to say hes a shtty defender in almost every way.

Hahahahahaha and there it is.....i told you. Ohhhhhhh briggsy.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:who would take at 7?

OMG I hope its not Trey Lyles. Keep to WCS Kaminsky Turner jesus dont reach for a 15-18 pick moving back from 4--that would b e the WORST move we can make. A PF who does NOT block shots cant hit 3's who has questionable athletic ability and was certainly a spare part on that team. Trey Lyles has bust potential Id rather take several other players. He does not do one thing great--WORST type of player for a team controlling spot 4. Atleast WCS blocks shots

I watched Inside College Basketball on CBS Sports tonight and they were saying T.Lyles is moving up draft boards and into the top 12 on a lot of teams boards. There has been a lot of talk about how he was another player hidden on that deep Kentucky team and they had the kid playing small forward so this kid could be a steal in the draft.

Thats funny because CBS has him ranked around 18. Can you provide a link to the show because the median spot for Lyles is roughly 15. You dont give up pick #4 for a guy who could fall through the draft to 20-22.

hhttp://ttp://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft

I just gave you the name of the show which is Inside College Basketball and it comes on at 6:00 pm on CBS Sports which on direct tv is channel 221. So now you can go look it up on the internet and feel like a dumb dumb for questioning me. Well i just went to look it up so i could provide the link for you but they want me to sign into some crap so i'm not gonna do that.

Well the guys on that show Parrish and Skinie have Lyles at 18 and 20. Why do we want a slow footed 4 who doesnt play good D and hasnt proven he can hit a 3?

I don't know why but maybe you should send Phil a text and ask him cause he's the one that's supposedly enamored by him. LOL

I dont even think Phil has a huge say on this. The only reason why the Knicks would trade down for an injured player and Trey Lyles is because hes a CAA client and there is no way to justify taking him at 4--obviously cant take Stein either if hes really needs surgery.. I just looked back--the ONLY team to trade a lottery pick in the last 20 years for an existing injured player while trading down--Yep the NY Knicks circa 2002. The NY Knicks are just a bAD organization. They got fleeced by Denver for Mcdyess when they couldve had a young Amare they got hosed with melo and now they will come full circle.

Denver must have a NY Knicks "batman" phone line.

EwingsGlass wrote:Denver is in cap hell with their stable of middling players on mid to high price contracts. With no cap flexibility, they have to be looking to move some salary and or add serious value through the Draft. Me, I am not bailing Denver out by taking on their players unless it genuinely fills a need to put me over the top. Their are plenty of PGs better than Lawson availlable in free agency. Nurkic is interesting, but I'm not sure I am a risk taker with my new found cap flexibility. Basically, Denver is going to have to pay to get my pick... Not just a fair deal, I want value because of their cap problems. We suffered for years overpaying to make deals work and dump salary. I want their 2016 pick in any deal.