yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KingQuis wrote:Guys... What if Zingy is Dirk 2.0 in 3 years? Would that be worth the 4 pick in this draft?

You have a better chance at Mudiay being the next Rose, Wall, Westbrook than Prozingis being the next Dirk. Do you want to make that mistake? You have one shot at this. It's very easy for us to say I'm taking this guy with the pick. The Knicks don't have that luxury that Detroit had to just take Darko or for that matter the Sixers taking Prozingis they have a very set team and can take the risk of Prozingis possibly being a Dirk clone. Knicks can't take that risk they have one pick to set the franchise in the right direction. I certainly wouldn't make the basis for my team a Euro guy. I have nothing against Euro players I wod be happy to take Prozingis if I had another first round pick this year. I wouldn't take him that high up.

Actually I think Proz has a better chance of being Dirk than Mudiay matching any of those guys. At least Prozi has similar positive similarities as Dirk. The only similarity I see regarding Mudiay and the players you listed is that none of them are shooters. Mudiay isn't in the same league as those guys. People say he is a better passer but how do you know. High school hype means very little and the comp he faced in China is not highly regarded.

All, you can do is trust your scouting regardless of Euro or stateside player. Prozi is not a flash in the pants workout guy, he is a prospect that has been evaluated for years and was a potential lottery guy last year. His only problem is he did not gain the weight people thought he would. If he did that he maybe would have been seen as a the number 1 guy all along. The weight gaining issue is a red flag but I am sure they can do there do diligence medically and researching his background to see if that is an issue. It could be just a lack of emphasis by his club team.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/13042846/nba-draft-emmanuel-mudiay-makes-case-no-1-overall-pick
Making the case for being the No. 1 pick: Emmanuel Mudiay

This guy has been consistently mentioned as the top player in the draft. So getting him at 4 should be a steal.
I see Westbrook athleticism....Rose has above the charts athleticism, but that leads to injuries. But Mudiay is in that same class of athleticism. A power guard that looks to pass or finish above the rim.

blkexec wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KingQuis wrote:Guys... What if Zingy is Dirk 2.0 in 3 years? Would that be worth the 4 pick in this draft?

You have a better chance at Mudiay being the next Rose, Wall, Westbrook than Prozingis being the next Dirk. Do you want to make that mistake? You have one shot at this. It's very easy for us to say I'm taking this guy with the pick. The Knicks don't have that luxury that Detroit had to just take Darko or for that matter the Sixers taking Prozingis they have a very set team and can take the risk of Prozingis possibly being a Dirk clone. Knicks can't take that risk they have one pick to set the franchise in the right direction. I certainly wouldn't make the basis for my team a Euro guy. I have nothing against Euro players I wod be happy to take Prozingis if I had another first round pick this year. I wouldn't take him that high up.

Actually I think Proz has a better chance of being Dirk than Mudiay matching any of those guys. At least Prozi has similar positive similarities as Dirk. The only similarity I see regarding Mudiay and the players you listed is that none of them are shooters. Mudiay isn't in the same league as those guys. People say he is a better passer but how do you know. High school hype means very little and the comp he faced in China is not highly regarded.

All, you can do is trust your scouting regardless of Euro or stateside player. Prozi is not a flash in the pants workout guy, he is a prospect that has been evaluated for years and was a potential lottery guy last year. His only problem is he did not gain the weight people thought he would. If he did that he maybe would have been seen as a the number 1 guy all along. The weight gaining issue is a red flag but I am sure they can do there do diligence medically and researching his background to see if that is an issue. It could be just a lack of emphasis by his club team.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/13042846/nba-draft-emmanuel-mudiay-makes-case-no-1-overall-pick
Making the case for being the No. 1 pick: Emmanuel Mudiay

This guy has been consistently mentioned as the top player in the draft. So getting him at 4 should be a steal.
I see Westbrook athleticism....Rose has above the charts athleticism, but that leads to injuries. But Mudiay is in that same class of athleticism. A power guard that looks to pass or finish above the rim.

Dude i not as quick, fast, or explosive as Westbrook. He is more like Shump in terms of his athleticism which isn't bad but it's not like Wall, Rose, or Westbrook. What helps Mudiay is that he has way better handle than Shump and can hopefully actually make a lay up constantly. He also has better vision and passing ability which is why he can play PG unlike shump but not having that elite athleticism like those other guys is going to make it hard for him in the NBa. Teams are going to be able to back off of him and he will not be able to eat up the cushion on his main defender plus weak side help will have that extra .5-1 sec to come over to give help at the rim.

TPercy wrote:Stein is still my man. Can develop a 3 and can defend pick and rolls that we are in dire need of.

If Stein is ever putting up 3s you know we are in trouble, because he would only be doing it in garbage time when we are losing.

Who is this person? Winslow comes to mind immediately. But where is the upside? I don't know. He should be a solid starter, but not an all star. A reach at 4.

I think I need me more upside at #4.
Next two way player is Perzingis. Plenty of upside, complete offensive game already, he is a stretch big. Yes more of a gamble, but the potential is enormous. Kaminsky is nervously licking his chops somewhere. This guys is better already. Don't give me the Bargs comparison. Bargs is content with being Bargs. This guy comes from a basketball family in Lithuania, you know the country that worships Sabonis. Who would be unreal in the triangle. Who was an all-star.

Anyway, back to earth. Teams who pick before us always pick for potential so he might be gone. Who do we have left?
As far as two way players? Well,

We still have Mudiay. This two way player comes with a major upside as well. However his body of work is under some serious questioning. High school and a few games in China. Hmm, that's a red flag to me. He is the biggest unknown to get into the top 5. The biggest need from his position in the triangle he lacks. I doubt he will be the pick because of who we have left.

Now the real fun part because one of those guys might be there when we pick,although they are not really two way, perhaps they could add some skills to get there.

Russel. Lakers will likely take him. You know the reason. He canceled his workouts after he worked out for them. They have a brand which will not be tainted by not drafting him after the made promise. You can count on the Lakers taking him. I am 100% sure of if.

Last on the list we have . . . Who do we have . . . It's OK4! The #1 pick all year! The nearly perfect big for the triangle. I can go on and on. Yes he needs to work on D. Yes he would be a starter from day 1.

Now let's pretend that no one drafts KrisP. That mean when we pick we have Mudiay and him. Or ok4 and him. If we have the first choice I'll take me a Zinger pls. Second choice I am going with OK4 over him.

Ok here are the guys who get the honorable mention but no consideration from me given the options that we have. They are both NOT two way players. WCS and Kaminsky. Both nice, both insane reaches at the 4 because they are not two way players and there are are guys who have a more complete game before them.