wargames wrote:I am starting to wonder if the reason the knicks are being attached to so many players is they want to see if any teams below them in the draft will make them an offer of assets to draft the player they want at #4.

On the flip side I prefer this to the years where the knicks go out of there way to hide who they like and it gets leaked 2 -3 days before the draft anyway.

Also people denying the possibility that Phil trades down are ignoring the fact that the one common theme of all Phil's trades is he gets picks back. Also the knicks have a D League team, and a coaching staff that consists of former development coaches from the Thunder. The knicks are a team primed for young talent.

Rosey wrote:I'm new to this site.
Given the way the NBA game is played today and the officiating rules - it totally favor superstar offensive talents. Given the #4 pick, the Knicks must do their diligent homework to see if they can identify if their is a kid available at 4 who they feel they can develop into a franchise player or consistent all-star talent going forward. If they identify one - let's not try to be too cute - just take him and start building from there. Melo can be a co-star until his contract expires. Hopefully, at some point, his head and game will age gracefully. If they can't identify that type of talent then I agree the prudent thing to do is to trade down and acquire multiple assets in this draft and 2016 - and hope to get a couple of key free agents. There's no need to repeat past mistakes and absorb any veteran contracts via trades. Unfortunately, we don't know their thinking or evaluations because we don't have access to their film sessions, private workouts or scouting. Rather than guessing at the names thrown out there, I just home they do their homework and take the smart approach.
Question - if they trade down and collect mid-level assets - they could develop into an Atlanta Hawks type model..a good consistent team that could possibly catch lightning and fall into a championship with a down year or injury from the star-laden teams (Sonics 1979, Pistons 2004). Would that satisfy the fan base and management?

BRIGGS wrote:The impression Kaminsky made on the Suns came before and after the collision. Early in the workout, "Frank the Tank" showed his impressive skills, footwork and shooting for a 7-foot-1 player. Then, he showed something more by returning for the shooting portion with a butterfly bandage on a cut over his left eye. Then, he went to the hospital for five stitches before returning for meetings with Suns brass, who are considering him for their No. 13 pick.

"Welcome to the NBA," Suns coach Jeff Hornacek said.

"He showed that he's got great skills. He's a big man who can handle the ball. He can pass it. He can step back and shoot it. From what we saw in even the three-on-twos and two-on-ones, he just knows how to play the game

My opinion. Many teams will miss on Kaminsky. He would simply wreck anyone not named Towns or Okafor in workouts and hes getting unfairly judged because hes 22--just like Vucevic did when he slid to 16(and shouldve been top 3)

Do you really think they would say he had a horrible workout?? They're always gonna say the workout was good no matter how that player did but i do think Kaminsky will bring a good workout to every team he worksout for which most player do well in their workouts.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The impression Kaminsky made on the Suns came before and after the collision. Early in the workout, "Frank the Tank" showed his impressive skills, footwork and shooting for a 7-foot-1 player. Then, he showed something more by returning for the shooting portion with a butterfly bandage on a cut over his left eye. Then, he went to the hospital for five stitches before returning for meetings with Suns brass, who are considering him for their No. 13 pick.

"Welcome to the NBA," Suns coach Jeff Hornacek said.

"He showed that he's got great skills. He's a big man who can handle the ball. He can pass it. He can step back and shoot it. From what we saw in even the three-on-twos and two-on-ones, he just knows how to play the game

My opinion. Many teams will miss on Kaminsky. He would simply wreck anyone not named Towns or Okafor in workouts and hes getting unfairly judged because hes 22--just like Vucevic did when he slid to 16(and shouldve been top 3)

Do you really think they would say he had a horrible workout?? They're always gonna say the workout was good no matter how that player did but i do think Kaminsky will bring a good workout to every team he worksout for which most player do well in their workouts.

They were not compelled to praise him either or issue any comment. But they did. Do you think there would be any other prospect at 13 that is currently better than Kaminsky?

BRIGGS wrote:I really sense were going to trade down with Denver.

BRIGGS wrote:I really sense were going to trade down with Denver.

If the knicks took Lance's contract and then Stretched both Lance's and Calderon's contracts they would still be around 25 - 26 mil in cap space and would have draft picks at #4 and #9. The only real risk would be Phil's pride if Calderon or Lance got their game together on another team while the knicks were paying them and a few mil more on the salary cap that is about to explode.

WaltLongmire wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The impression Kaminsky made on the Suns came before and after the collision. Early in the workout, "Frank the Tank" showed his impressive skills, footwork and shooting for a 7-foot-1 player. Then, he showed something more by returning for the shooting portion with a butterfly bandage on a cut over his left eye. Then, he went to the hospital for five stitches before returning for meetings with Suns brass, who are considering him for their No. 13 pick.

"Welcome to the NBA," Suns coach Jeff Hornacek said.

"He showed that he's got great skills. He's a big man who can handle the ball. He can pass it. He can step back and shoot it. From what we saw in even the three-on-twos and two-on-ones, he just knows how to play the game

My opinion. Many teams will miss on Kaminsky. He would simply wreck anyone not named Towns or Okafor in workouts and hes getting unfairly judged because hes 22--just like Vucevic did when he slid to 16(and shouldve been top 3)

Do you really think they would say he had a horrible workout?? They're always gonna say the workout was good no matter how that player did but i do think Kaminsky will bring a good workout to every team he worksout for which most player do well in their workouts.

They were not compelled to praise him either or issue any comment. But they did. Do you think there would be any other prospect at 13 that is currently better than Kaminsky?

Have not been reading this thread that much because I'm already sold on Kaminsky as a player.

I totally overlooked this comment from Hornacek. There is good stuff here, mentioning specifics...not the "he looked impressive out there" type the Knicks would say.

You hear enough out of Hornacek to know the kind of drills he was put through and how he looked.

His footwork, something people were worried about during the college season, was specifically mentioned.

Mentioned his handle, too.

The shooting we already knew about, and he mentioned the step back shot we knew he was working on.

He a good guy to trade down for, but a GM with balls would not shy away from taking him earlier than some are placing him in the draft.

Guy has a track record of improvement and success, and unlike some in the draft, he has proven himself under fire and helped take Wisconsin to great heights.

I say again, seemingly for the zillionth time, I cannot understand the lack of "respect" he seems to get from some folks.

People say he's Christian Laetner--my response if he was --than we made a good pick at 4 or 7 or where ever we are. We are NOT 1-2-3. At 1 wed take Towns but that ship sailed.

If Kaminsky is Laetner albeit with a 3 ball game--hes going to average 20-23 points in the NBA because his eFG will be higher than Laetner's. You look at the other stats and I can see it--good passing solid rebounding very respectable defensive numbers. I think Kaminsky has some upside that Laetner did not have with his ball-handling his 3 point shot and well hes 2.5 inches taller. Two keys for Kaminsky getting his body weight to 245 and adding some explosion with it. A good trainer could have him there in 3-4 months time at his age. Why would fans not want to have a C-PF who can avg 20-22 points -8-9 rebounds 4-5 assists in his prime with solid D and good team play on their team? Its like the "Lets make a deal " mentality. Ill take whats behind curtain #4 Monty because that car doesnt look fast enough.