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tell me how this guy doesn't look like dirk and absolutely should be pick 4
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wh4t
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5/27/2015  4:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/27/2015  7:01 AM
I don't mind the Knicks getting D'Angelo, Justise, or Mudiay but i would prefer that they trade down. Even if Okafor somehow slips to the 4th pick, trading down would be wise. I think Kaminsky would be a good idea if it includes Jerian Grant because our 4th pick is worth two prospects and getting a second will fill in the void for next year's draft. Kaminsky & Jerian is skilled upperclassmen that can fit well into the system and are ready to contribute now. They have just as much upside as these one&dones and won't take time to develop like them. IMO, I think Kaminsky is a hybrid of Nowitzki, Paul Gasol, Mehmet Okur, Spencer Hawes, Olynyk, Channing Frye, and whatever stretch 4 you can think of. He moves better and has a better handle than them. He has all the tools as a triangle player because he can post up, shoot, and pass.

I haven't seen many stretch 4's lead a break like a point guard and throw alleys like this

I think Jerian is just as good if not better than D'Angelo & Mudiay. Athletically, he isn't that different from Mudiay

Even DX knows he's a very good passer with great court vision. Besides age there isn't that much difference between him and mudiay

Besides MGasol, LaMarcus, and Paul Millsap: Greg is the only one that makes sense, IMO. He financially leaves room for the Knicks to build and have depth which the other 3 don't. He can post, shoot, pass, and he's young. Giving him the max won't look so bad when the cap increases. He's not a great rim protector which is why i would rather have him playing his natural position at power forward and have an under appreciated Koufos protecting the paint. Koufos is cheap and still young. Before Cleveland got Mosgov they were eyeing him.

He's also athletic, rugged, and very mobile. Just look at this

Koufos is looking for a starting role and i think he can easily average a double double and give you about 2 blocks per game.

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2015/05/19/the-kosta-koufos-question-will-celtics-pursue-second-tier-free-agents/

the Celtics are in desperate need of a rim protector, and Koufos was as good as any backup center in that regard. According to NBA.com/stats, the 7-foot, 265-pound former first-round pick held opponents to 46.9 percent shooting at the rim, putting him in good company with Defensive Player of the Year candidates Tim Duncan and Draymond Green at the same percentage.

Offensively, Koufos has proven a capable scorer around the basket, converting 56.2 percent of his shots inside of 8 feet.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3848/steins-scoop-next-for-grizzlies-gasol

Rim protection is his forte, but he also coped very well against Aldridge in the Portland series, and has not only proven very durable over the year but has quietly started nearly 150 games in his career. He's more seasoned than you think.

C--- Koufos / Ajinca / Bachynski
PF---- Greg Monroe / Kaminsky / JSmith or Bargnani for vet minimum
SF---- Melo / Thomas / Early
SG---- Wes Matthews / Hardaway / Thanasis
PG---- Galloway / Calderon / Jerian Grant

Other than that my list makes sense and is good enough to compete against the Cavaliers in a weak @$$ east

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5/27/2015  10:17 AM
What Frank is reminding everyone in his workout is that he is going to be a force that teams will have to account for. The right management will have Frank take 4-6 good "3s" a game with another 6-8 2's (10-14 shots) he will score well but the bigger benefit will come from spreading the other team out. If he goes to Detroit at 8 they will have Andre Drummond at C and Kaminsky at 4 with a plethora of guards and will become viscous to contend with. We will have a back up G on our roster with a flat jumpshot who will have tremendous pressure on himself at 19.
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5/27/2015  10:22 AM
wh4t wrote:

Thats crazy- he looks like he's suddenly hoisted up by strings mid jump- he's defying the laws of physics!
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5/27/2015  10:26 AM
BRIGGS wrote:What Frank is reminding everyone in his workout is that he is going to be a force that teams will have to account for. The right management will have Frank take 4-6 good "3s" a game with another 6-8 2's (10-14 shots) he will score well but the bigger benefit will come from spreading the other team out. If he goes to Detroit at 8 they will have Andre Drummond at C and Kaminsky at 4 with a plethora of guards and will become viscous to contend with. We will have a back up G on our roster with a flat jumpshot who will have tremendous pressure on himself at 19.

Frank will sky rocket in mock drafts once the workouts start (he will excel in individual workouts- no one will care anymore about the combine measurements)- I think it's pretty much a dead cert the Pistons will draft him.

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5/27/2015  10:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/27/2015  10:41 AM
wh4t wrote:

I think Jerian is just as good if not better than D'Angelo & Mudiay. Athletically, he isn't that different from Mudiay

Even DX knows he's a very good passer with great court vision. Besides age there isn't that much difference between him and mudiay

I like pretty much everything you posted. But particularly Jerian Grant. That kid strikes me as the PG selected in the late teens or twenties who will be a real player at PG like Lowry or Teague.

And he seems fricking perfect for the Triangle. I didn't see Notre Dame til late this season, but I was impressed by him when I saw him play Duke and UNC.

I would be willing to trade down for Kaminsky if it meant we also got Jerian Grant.

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5/27/2015  10:56 AM
Jerian Grant I think would turn out the be one of the best players in the draft. He is the second coming of Dwayne Wade
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5/27/2015  10:58 AM
Wow, if Frank wants to be able to do anything in the NBA then he needs to muscle the hell up and work on his athleticm.
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5/27/2015  11:07 AM
smackeddog wrote:
wh4t wrote:

Thats crazy- he looks like he's suddenly hoisted up by strings mid jump- he's defying the laws of physics!

He got the bounce effect of that player that Griffin did off Mosgov

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5/27/2015  11:08 AM
TPercy wrote:Jerian Grant I think would turn out the be one of the best players in the draft. He is the second coming of Dwayne Wade

I tend to agree with the first part.

I think Grant might be better than Mudiay. He certainly is better than Mudiay right now, though Mudiay has the higher "ceiling".

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5/27/2015  6:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/27/2015  6:46 PM

Young Dirk

I dont see much difference between his skills or athletic ability or Kaminsky. Frank is probably smart by keeping his weight down--a 235 PF is heavy enough.

What Kaminsky and Dirk can both do is put the ball on the floor--I think its key for Frank to do this more often as it will get him to the FT line at a much faster pace. Remember Wisconsin plays system- based basketball. He didnt get to use his dribble as much as he can or will in the pro's. I think with Frank there are so may positives at 7-1 that people fans teams whatever are just missing it.

The only negative I think between the two is it looks like Nowitski has a 2-3 inch wingspan reach on him

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5/28/2015  6:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/28/2015  6:35 PM
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=39367The difference here being that Kaminsky will dominate from the 4. Vucevic--while an inch and half shorter than Frank has a centers wingspan and weight.
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5/28/2015  6:45 PM

Strengths: A warrior. Very strong mentally. Has good upper body strength. Leads by example, and is strongly motivated. Mid range jumpshot is his bread and butter. Very crafty with the ball in his hands, using head fakes and position. Has range out to college 3. Very good passing big man. Rebounds well.

Weaknesses: Not a great run jump athlete. Isn't going to dazzle the crowd with windmill dunks but plays within himself. Not extremely quick or fast. Needs to get into better shape, to gain better quickness, conditioning.


^ That's Troy Murphy's draft profile. He put up similar college stats to Kaminsky, too. That's who Kaminsky reminds me of. Definitely not a bad player at all... but not someone I think about at 4.

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5/28/2015  6:58 PM
crzymdups wrote:

Strengths: A warrior. Very strong mentally. Has good upper body strength. Leads by example, and is strongly motivated. Mid range jumpshot is his bread and butter. Very crafty with the ball in his hands, using head fakes and position. Has range out to college 3. Very good passing big man. Rebounds well.

Weaknesses: Not a great run jump athlete. Isn't going to dazzle the crowd with windmill dunks but plays within himself. Not extremely quick or fast. Needs to get into better shape, to gain better quickness, conditioning.


^ That's Troy Murphy's draft profile. He put up similar college stats to Kaminsky, too. That's who Kaminsky reminds me of. Definitely not a bad player at all... but not someone I think about at 4.

I think Frank is a much better shooter than troy--Frank has that one-legged step back dirk move he handles the ball like a guard better post player--just subtle difference that separates a 13- 15 point scorer from a 19-22 point scorer with better efficiency IMHO. I think Frank is going to be really good. His projection anywhere above 8 is a drastic mistake. Im confident that we will hear a lot about Kamnisky and little about Stein in their careers.

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5/28/2015  7:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/28/2015  7:09 PM
Can he look like Thad Young?
Can a white guy project like a black guy?
Can a black guy be the next Larry Bird?
Nobody says "the next joe Johnson", Joe can shoot like the devil, is strong, is not fast, and not a high leaper.
Why can't frank be the next Durant? Durant is not super quick or physical. got super fundamentals which creates space and gets him to the rim.
If Frank was 6-9 with his same arms he'd be have a better wing span. So he's 6-11 instead.
He the next Keith Van Horn?
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5/29/2015  4:11 PM
Feel free to call Kaminsky the most efficient shooting and posting big man in the draft. His 1.051 PPP on post-ups this season was the best of any potential draftee with at least 100 post-up possessions in Synergy Sports Technology's database—and well ahead of Okafor and Towns:

till regard Okafor as this draft's best long-range prospect in the post. What he accomplished at his age and at that volume—posting up 8.4 times per game compared to Kaminsky's 4.7, with reasonable efficiency—leads me to believe that Jah will be a low-block monster in the NBA. But that's not the point of this chart. The point is to offer further proof that Kaminsky's value goes well beyond shooting. And the point of the next chart is to show that his value also extends into …

7. ... the most under-appreciated part of Kaminsky's game: Playmaking. As Grantland's Zach Lowe wrote this week, defensive evolutions in the NBA are making "playmaking fours"—guys who can spot-up shoot but also make things happen off the bounce—more in-demand. Which bodes well for Frank, because it's exactly what he did this season at Wisconsin.

Among the power forwards and centers likely to be drafted in 2015, Kaminsky had the most assists per 40 minutes, pace-adjusted, and he was the only big man with a positive Pure Point Rating—a John Hollinger-developed stat that assesses playmaking with this formula: 100 x (National Pace/Team Pace) x ([(Assists x 2/3)-Turnovers] / Minutes).

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tell me how this guy doesn't look like dirk and absolutely should be pick 4

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