nyk4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:who on those most recent laker teams was an elite defender? definitely not gasol or bynum...

Artest and Kobe --- pretty much the same formula as Jordan/Pippen but probably a notch below.

Also Ariza was great for them. That recent Lakers team was pretty good on defense. They were ranked 4th in defensive efficiency in 2010. and 6th in 2009.

unless i misunderstood.. i assumed front-line to mean the 4 and the 5. if he meant front-line as starting unit, then i totally retract my statement because i totally agree about artest and kobe. just consider them perimeter defenders and not guys on my meaning of "front line"

A font line consist of SF, PF, and C..And a backcourt of SG and PG..Hoops 101 bro..

Nalod wrote:Charles oakly at 6-7 and not very athletic would not stick in todays NBA.
Sad, but true.

I'll bite... Chuck would thrive.

nyk4ever wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:who on those most recent laker teams was an elite defender? definitely not gasol or bynum...

Artest and Kobe --- pretty much the same formula as Jordan/Pippen but probably a notch below.

Also Ariza was great for them. That recent Lakers team was pretty good on defense. They were ranked 4th in defensive efficiency in 2010. and 6th in 2009.

unless i misunderstood.. i assumed front-line to mean the 4 and the 5. if he meant front-line as starting unit, then i totally retract my statement because i totally agree about artest and kobe. just consider them perimeter defenders and not guys on my meaning of "front line"

A font line consist of SF, PF, and C..And a backcourt of SG and PG..Hoops 101 bro..

seems like when searching for "nba front line" in google that most people agree that its the 4 and 5 but yes there are some that do consider the 3... most people who consider the 3 as part of the front line are often talking about bird, mchael and parish, but i digress. anyways, thanks for the heads up man, ill make sure to keep that in mind for next time. when i consider front-line, i think 4 and 5.. ill make sure when talking to you from now on to use your definition so there are no misinterpretations and you can't tell me "hoops 101" to feed your own ego.

Don't take it like that bro, just busting chops..I meant it in a humorous way if it didn't come across that way..

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:1984[d] Los Angeles Lakers 3–4 Boston Celtics [22]
1985 Los Angeles Lakers 4–2 Boston Celtics [62]
1986 Houston Rockets 2–4 Boston Celtics [63]
1987 Los Angeles Lakers 4–2 Boston Celtics [64]
1988 Los Angeles Lakers 4–3 Detroit Pistons [65]
1989 Los Angeles Lakers 0–4 Detroit Pistons [66]
1990 Portland Trail Blazers 1–4 Detroit Pistons [67]
1991 Los Angeles Lakers 1–4 Chicago Bulls [68]
1992 Portland Trail Blazers 2–4 Chicago Bulls [69]
1993 Phoenix Sunsdagger 2–4 Chicago Bulls [70]
1994 Houston Rockets 4–3 New York Knicks [71]
1995 Houston Rockets 4–0 Orlando Magic [72]
1996 Seattle SuperSonics 2–4 Chicago Bulls [73]
1997 Utah Jazz 2–4 Chicago Bulls [74]
1998 Utah Jazzd 2–4 Chicago Bulls [75]
1999[e] San Antonio Spurs 4–1 New York Knicks [77]
2000 Los Angeles Lakers 4–2 Indiana Pacers [78]
2001 Los Angeles Lakers 4–1 Philadelphia 76ers [79]
2002 Los Angeles Lakers 4–0 New Jersey Nets [80]
2003 San Antonio Spurs 4–2 New Jersey Nets [81]
2004 Los Angeles Lakers 1–4 Detroit Pistons [82]
2005 San Antonio Spurs 4–3 Detroit Pistons [83]
2006 Dallas Mavericks 2–4 Miami Heat [84]
2007 San Antonio Spurs 4–0 Cleveland Cavaliers [85]
2008 Los Angeles Lakers 2–4 Boston Celtics [86]
2009 Los Angeles Lakers 4–1 Orlando Magic [87]
2010 Los Angeles Lakers 4–3 Boston Celtics [88]
2011 Dallas Mavericks 4–2 Miami Heat [89]
2012[f] Oklahoma City Thunder 1–4 Miami Heat [92]
2013 San Antonio Spurs 3–4 Miami Heat [93]
2014 San Antonio Spurs 4–1 Miami Heat [94]

Which team on this list that won a Championship does not have an elite defender on it's frontline??..Your claim is that defense no longer matters...

No my claim i that offensive skills will outweigh defense in the modern NBA. If you dont have the ability to score 105-110 points--you simply wont win.

In the LAC 5v playoff wins they are avg 110.8-- As long as Chris Paul comes back--the Clippers have a GREAT chance to win this whole thing. It will come down to who can score more GS or LAC--teams will play D but thats secondary to scoring points. watch what happens.

I hope you are watching..

I love that Memphis team.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

stopstandthere wrote:David Lee is not healthy at all, and has been dramatically declining.

Yep, in answer to the thread title: Hell yes, most free agents are better than the David Lee of today.

A hurt David Lee. David Lee healthy is a 20-10-4 player. and on top of that Id ask for two draft picks and then Lee expires. You want to blow our load on a role player for 4 years? This is one avenue--Id much rather look into picks 14 and 16--I think it would be in the Knicks best interests to find a 2nd big from the draft. I like the idea of pairing either Ok4 or Tons with a 2nd player--possibly a third. A powerful young frontline will give us the foundation going 4ward that not many teams have. If we spend our cash and draft assets on frontcourt players this year resign Schyed--thats all we can ask There will be some additional funds left over to find one more wing or POINT.

I get your thinking, but Lee is done. Also, the Warriors will only have to give up 1 first rounder (because the Sixers could bid against the Knicks) to get rid of him. Likely it's the last pick in this years draft- you're essentially losing 10mil of cap space to draft Tim Hardaway Jr the 2nd.

I do not think they would trade 2 1st rounders to unload David Lee, who could still be serviceable but has taken a back seat role and is running a different philosophy that isn't utilizing Lee's strengths
I am not sure if Lee has fully declined or isn't the same player due to injury/age or if he is just being asked to player a different role
Truth is I don't know what to expect from David Lee at this point, however, there is a possibility that he can return to a 16/10/3 with 1.5 stls and about 1 block player, in the right system, with the right players, as the #3 option on a team that will allow him to play point/forward at times and feed him in the post, as Mark Jacson utilized him
There is also a possibility that he isn't the same player but could still be a decent backup like a Kris Humphries/Trevor Booker with not as good defense, but better skills to facilitate and post, while still being a servicable rebounder

However, I think it is more likely that GS would offer much more to unload Iggy, who has another 2 seasons after this season, same length as Calderon

$12,289,544
$11,710,456 *next season*
$11,131,368 *2017 with 20m cap jump and a possible another amensty in the works with new CBA*

I do not think he is worth taking 2 LATE 1st rounders considering GS will likely be a TOP seaded team the next couple of seasons if they do in fact keep Draymond Green
Which would be the rights to this summers draft, 2019, and if it would be 2021 if there would be 3 1st rounders to do so....
They only have 2nd rounders available after 2018, as they have traded all of them away already