BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:Bropez stock rising. The devil in the detail is to project a players potential and health if possible.
some injuries need time, some relapse frequently.

Basically gut has this nagging conspiracy HOPE that like the big three conspired to play together, phil also has a list and perhaps a few players iching to play with him and perhaps Melo.

How do I know? I don't.

But.......Melo resigned here and had nobody to play with.
Phil signed here for big money, but I don't think he needs it. He could command huge money in the lecture circut, TV and commercials.
This is not a starphuch, but players that would benefit from the triangle. Not stars.

I know Riles 5 rings was big with Lebron in recruitment, Phil got a bag of 13 to put on the table. That shyt resonates some nice sound.

Its my hope, my conspiracy and nothing I have read supports it. Basically the media only gets what can to report and you will never read this. Its tampering but this is how Agents work and can be thru trusted sources only.

My hope is the stars will shine in the system even brighter than they are. I have very low expectation that any one move will do the trick. Its my belief that Caledron could be a great player in the system, but not by himself.
I think Bargs could be great, but not by himself. Melo, not by himself. Then add a draft pick of great potential and say Greg Monroe, who will blossom with the knicks.

This is my hope. Nothing more.

Big players--key key key. We have guards Galloway Hardaway Shveyd maybe Thansis and I firmly believe we can be more opportunistic adding guards from the draft/undrafted or trade.

To me its all about rebuilding the frontline--thats all I care about in the short term. This is not a one year rebuild--not necessary to pay 8-10mm for a guard who is essentially a role player for another team.Rebuilding the frontline will make our guards who we have better.

Yes, Phil likes his players large. Bigs who can pass. If the bigs are playing out, they need to hit that shot. If their man drops off him, he is wide open. No Tyson type on the high post. Think Bargs as poor mans Pau. Think Oka4 low post with no double team on him. Greg Monroe is a handful down low.

RonRon wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I'd try to sign a PF first who can score(and the draft pick is secondary right now)

#1 Enes Kanter full 4 year max 64mm full no trade clause and 10mm TK.
#2 Brook Lopez full 2 year max with team option for 3+
#3 Look to trade for Danillo Gallinari using cap space and future pick
#4 Greg Monroe full 2 year max contract with player option for 3
#5 Paul Millsap 2 year 28mm contract
#6 Trade for David Lee's contract for 2 #1's and 2 #2's

Now Id target a diverse young SG through trade so Id keep my cap space and this is where I am open if I get pick 3 or under for a multi asset trade.

Shabazz Muhammed #1 target
CJ McCollum #2

The goal here is to find 2 guys who can score 20 points to go along with Melo and then build out from there adding rim protection quality depth. If I cant get the PF I want--Ill trade for David Lee IF GS pays up and move the cap space to next year.

Im very willing to trade picks 3 or 4 for the RIGHT multi asset trade. No way am I completely zoned on a pick. I want to see the value and Ill call every single team to gauge it. The final result is either make the best pick I can or if someone ponies up with enough to make me pull a trade--then I would do it.

Rim protection--first off I am going to resign Cole A to a 3 year 6mm $ contract.

Im going to gauge Atlanta's interest in both Muscala and Taveras.

In any asset trade Im going to look to see if I can get a pick to get #1 Christian Wood #2 Jordan Mickey and I will seriously look into Upshaw Dakari Johnson and ANY D league shot blocker like Griffin Thabeet etal

Look into cheap back up C's around the league

Im going to be opportunistic on additional guards looking for one more pure 3 point shooter and one penetrator(or best both)

So essentially I want

A. a PF who can score 20 points and grab 10 rebounds
B. Id like to find a higher scoring guard who can shoot dribble drive pass and defend
C. Search for rim protection on the cheap---3 C's 6-11 250++ or athletic PF I can use with a bigger PF
D. Completely opportunistic on guards

Id like to keep the age of player below 27 and more like 21-24

I think with a high quality PF to go along with melo--we can make the playoffs in the east. Its of my opinion looking at OKC's financial situation going 4ward that they will NOT match a max offer with a no trade clause.

Briggs, at that price, GS may have a shot to get Kevin Love, 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders with David Lee and change

We CAN NOT offer Kanter a NO TRADE CLAUSE
You did not believe Harden was worth the contract or the package Houston used to acquire him
You do not believe Draymond Green is worth a MAX contract because we do not have Curry and Klay, and we can possibly develop our own triple double threat, DPOY candidate
But Kanter is the real max player while playing with Westbrook was the #1 player that teams focused on in order for Kanter to get those numbers
On top of this, I believe you do not think Kawaii Leanard, the DPOY and MVP of the finals last year vs "the best player in the world", because we do not have the players/system that SA already has...
But we should go for Kanter.....

I do not want you to feel like I am attacking you, however, I am summing up some of your thoughts and want you to think about it....

BRIGGS,
WE CANNOT OFFER A NO TRADE CLAUSE TO KANTER
In order to offer a NO TRADE CLAUSE, the player must be with the team for 4years though I am NOT SURE if BIRD RIGHTS INHERIT the years

My point is that you place too much value on STATs to justify talent
A reason why you did not think

Harden in OKC to Houston *in which you thought Harden was NOT a MAX player* and Houston gave up too much
Despite if Draymond Green matches the deal or not, you did and do not think Green is a MAX player and even would go as far as saying he is a role player that could developed

We are not perfect however, you need to seriously evaluate how you measure talent, especially players in the NBA already
Playoff basketball is totally different from a 82 game season, and right Green is showing his versatility, defensive impact, and importance throught the entire season and the playoffs now
GS payroll is much higher than OKC's already, while they traded 2 1st rounders to acquire both Kanter and Dion Waiters, with the future of Durant being questioned as he is an expiring
So so downplay Kanter and ignore all the other facts, as he as only put up great numbers with OKC as teams focused on STOPPING WESTBROOK and will have to STOP DURANT before trying to contain Kanter
On top of that, they have the BIGS that we do not, that compliment Kanter and his weakness's
With that said, Kanter and Presti has both said they they want to remain in OKC, and you still do not think that they will match Kanter such an offer
Well, Kanter is more likely to take less, and stay with OKC on a shorter deal with player options in the range of 10m-14m to stay in OKC to continue to put greater numbers

And the deal you suggested with David Lee is completely a RAPE TRADE, that GS can trade with any team of their choice for less, than to trade him to NYK's for that price you suggest
2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders *which they do not have any 2nd rounders available in the next couple of years as they have traded them away already* and David Lee/throw ins would be enough for Cleveland to give up Brendon Haywood's *unguaranteed contract* along with Kevin Love and/or Varaejo
With those assets, Cleveland could remain competing and much flexiblity moving forward with assets

So GS could potentially end up with Kevin Love at that price with an expiring, who management wanted for a couple of years, and would make a perfect "SPLASH BROTHERS EXTENDED"
What will go with Cleveland in regards to JR Smith *his player option*, Iman *who is a RFA*, Varejo* who has partial guarantees*, Triston Thompson *RFA*, while Lebron is also a player option away with limited years at this level before signigantly drop of physical abilities, though he will still very good leader/experience and mentally prepare young talent and mentor them on how to train/develop/play DEFENSE

GS's payroll is much HIGHER than OKC's, so Kanter remaining in OKC is much more realistic, with Kanter's and Presti both interested in staying in OKC for both of their futures
Green is going to get a huge offer from Detroit, likely max or/and Ajinicia as well, to pair with Drummond and SVG's system

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:

RonRon wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I'd try to sign a PF first who can score(and the draft pick is secondary right now)

#1 Enes Kanter full 4 year max 64mm full no trade clause and 10mm TK.
#2 Brook Lopez full 2 year max with team option for 3+
#3 Look to trade for Danillo Gallinari using cap space and future pick
#4 Greg Monroe full 2 year max contract with player option for 3
#5 Paul Millsap 2 year 28mm contract
#6 Trade for David Lee's contract for 2 #1's and 2 #2's

Now Id target a diverse young SG through trade so Id keep my cap space and this is where I am open if I get pick 3 or under for a multi asset trade.

Shabazz Muhammed #1 target
CJ McCollum #2

The goal here is to find 2 guys who can score 20 points to go along with Melo and then build out from there adding rim protection quality depth. If I cant get the PF I want--Ill trade for David Lee IF GS pays up and move the cap space to next year.

Im very willing to trade picks 3 or 4 for the RIGHT multi asset trade. No way am I completely zoned on a pick. I want to see the value and Ill call every single team to gauge it. The final result is either make the best pick I can or if someone ponies up with enough to make me pull a trade--then I would do it.

Rim protection--first off I am going to resign Cole A to a 3 year 6mm $ contract.

Im going to gauge Atlanta's interest in both Muscala and Taveras.

In any asset trade Im going to look to see if I can get a pick to get #1 Christian Wood #2 Jordan Mickey and I will seriously look into Upshaw Dakari Johnson and ANY D league shot blocker like Griffin Thabeet etal

Look into cheap back up C's around the league

Im going to be opportunistic on additional guards looking for one more pure 3 point shooter and one penetrator(or best both)

So essentially I want

A. a PF who can score 20 points and grab 10 rebounds
B. Id like to find a higher scoring guard who can shoot dribble drive pass and defend
C. Search for rim protection on the cheap---3 C's 6-11 250++ or athletic PF I can use with a bigger PF
D. Completely opportunistic on guards

Id like to keep the age of player below 27 and more like 21-24

I think with a high quality PF to go along with melo--we can make the playoffs in the east. Its of my opinion looking at OKC's financial situation going 4ward that they will NOT match a max offer with a no trade clause.

Briggs, at that price, GS may have a shot to get Kevin Love, 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders with David Lee and change

We CAN NOT offer Kanter a NO TRADE CLAUSE
You did not believe Harden was worth the contract or the package Houston used to acquire him
You do not believe Draymond Green is worth a MAX contract because we do not have Curry and Klay, and we can possibly develop our own triple double threat, DPOY candidate
But Kanter is the real max player while playing with Westbrook was the #1 player that teams focused on in order for Kanter to get those numbers
On top of this, I believe you do not think Kawaii Leanard, the DPOY and MVP of the finals last year vs "the best player in the world", because we do not have the players/system that SA already has...
But we should go for Kanter.....

I do not want you to feel like I am attacking you, however, I am summing up some of your thoughts and want you to think about it....

BRIGGS,
WE CANNOT OFFER A NO TRADE CLAUSE TO KANTER
In order to offer a NO TRADE CLAUSE, the player must be with the team for 4years though I am NOT SURE if BIRD RIGHTS INHERIT the years

My point is that you place too much value on STATs to justify talent
A reason why you did not think

Harden in OKC to Houston *in which you thought Harden was NOT a MAX player* and Houston gave up too much
Despite if Draymond Green matches the deal or not, you did and do not think Green is a MAX player and even would go as far as saying he is a role player that could developed

We are not perfect however, you need to seriously evaluate how you measure talent, especially players in the NBA already
Playoff basketball is totally different from a 82 game season, and right Green is showing his versatility, defensive impact, and importance throught the entire season and the playoffs now
GS payroll is much higher than OKC's already, while they traded 2 1st rounders to acquire both Kanter and Dion Waiters, with the future of Durant being questioned as he is an expiring
So so downplay Kanter and ignore all the other facts, as he as only put up great numbers with OKC as teams focused on STOPPING WESTBROOK and will have to STOP DURANT before trying to contain Kanter
On top of that, they have the BIGS that we do not, that compliment Kanter and his weakness's
With that said, Kanter and Presti has both said they they want to remain in OKC, and you still do not think that they will match Kanter such an offer
Well, Kanter is more likely to take less, and stay with OKC on a shorter deal with player options in the range of 10m-14m to stay in OKC to continue to put greater numbers

And the deal you suggested with David Lee is completely a RAPE TRADE, that GS can trade with any team of their choice for less, than to trade him to NYK's for that price you suggest
2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders *which they do not have any 2nd rounders available in the next couple of years as they have traded them away already* and David Lee/throw ins would be enough for Cleveland to give up Brendon Haywood's *unguaranteed contract* along with Kevin Love and/or Varaejo
With those assets, Cleveland could remain competing and much flexiblity moving forward with assets

Kanter is one of the most talented big men in the NBA. I cant think of one player who at 6-11 260 can hit out to three is money in the mid range yet can also grab 13 rebounds and post inside with advanced footwork and shoot in the 50%%%% range. Kevin Love---nope. I watched him intently--he has passing abilities I think he will be just fine defensively and he would dominate from the 4 in the east. Greg Monroe cant hit a 15 footer but I dont discount him--rather I think Kanter is perfect player to play in tandem with melo because they both can go in and out. If we get Towns Kanter or Lopez and Carmelo--and just build the team within reason--we will win the Atlantic and can play with anyone in the east.--simple as that.

They are also under average defenders and both are NOT leaders, and you want to pay them both the max
That would leave us 2 weakness's on DEFENSE and at the MAX, and why would Kanter choose NYK's when he has the luxury to play off of Westbrook/Durant, and the BIGS in OKC with Ibaka/Adams/Mitch McGary *and their picks this summer*

Kanter is NOT the player that you can throw in the post like Gasol/Shaq were and is not a good defender, he is staying in OKC to continue to build up his value for the future contracts *especially with the jump of the cap in a couple of years*
We all have seen Kanter's inconsistently while without the players Jazz had with their guards and defensive multiple BIGGS that OKC's has

We need to add complete players, that are versatile, defenders, SCORING THREATS, and LEADERS, and Kanter is NOT that player

callmened wrote:ive been trying to tell BRIGGS this for weeks RonRon. good luck with that. I think its easier to conclude that he values Kanter more than we do.

one player i have my eye on is jimmy butler...chicago is cheap and wont pay him the money he deserves. I think the knicks will out pay the bulls

WE CAN NOT OFFER HIM A NO TRADE CLAUSE

He keeps insisting that we hav the chance by giving him a NO TRADE CLAUSE, WITH A MAX CONTRACT and a 15% trade kicker, while he uses the same theory to disapprove of other talents on other teams, he disregards it when it comes to Kanter, while he has only played 20-30 games without the luxury of having Westbrook and the BIGS on OKC
Now next season, with Durant, Ibaka, even Nick Collison healthy, they will see what Kanter can do as teams will not be able to focus on him as both Durant/Westbrook must be stopped first

Both Presit and Kanter have said they will stay in OKC but you still insist that we have a greater thance in nabbing him

We do not have Westbrook, Durant, or the BIGS, to allow Kanter to do what he is doing

However, he has said James Harden was NOT WORTH a MAX contract prior to the trade to OKC, and Houston overpayed for him
He has said all year Draymond Green is not a max player and could be developed, even go as far as saying would rather develop Acey at a lower price
He also says we should not go after some of the players on Spur's because we do not have the talent,players that Spur's has
*OF COURSE WE DON'T, and for us to get their, we need to get players that have skils and HIGH IQ, on OFF AND DEF,

s3231 wrote:I think BRIGGS makes a good call on Brook. I could see him being this FA class's version of Millsap in 2013. Feel like someone will get him on a good deal because of the injury concerns.

When he plays, he is about as impactful as any of the top guys when you look at the advanced stats and he could potentially get significantly less $$$.

and what would you consider a good price for him?

s3231 wrote:I think BRIGGS makes a good call on Brook. I could see him being this FA class's version of Millsap in 2013. Feel like someone will get him on a good deal because of the injury concerns.

When he plays, he is about as impactful as any of the top guys when you look at the advanced stats and he could potentially get significantly less $$$.

callmened wrote:i can see that happening. its a realistic line up and good for about 40 wins

LOL-- exactly who do you want for free agency? Please dont answer K Leonard! Its funny everyone wants free agents we have absolutely no chance at getting. Let me see I guess Id rather have Danny Green than Brook Lopez or Kanter and then maybe I can go to war with back up PF and C's with secondary PGs.

BRIGGS wrote:This could actually be the most realistic combo

C-Lopez (2 years 35mm)
PF Towns or Okafor(pick 1-2-3)
F Anthony
G Carroll (4 years 32mm)
G Shveyd (3 years 10mm)

C Aldrich(3 years 6mm)
PF Christmas Mickey Holmes or Wood (purchase 2nd rounder)
F Thansis or Early
G Hardaway
G Galloway

Minimum salary
Lance Thomas vet min F
Joel Freeland C
UDFA Josh Richardson PG
UDFA Darrun Hilliard SG

This actually isn't bad, assuming the cap implications give you a max slot in the 2016 offseason and you get Towns.