BRIGGS wrote:If we end up with Towns--Id green light him right away starting in SL. I want him to take the open 14 footer as well as the interior shots. No hesitation get used to shooting the ball. If youre not open pass--but Id want him to get up FGA's. He needs to develop his offense right away.

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:i like Towns but those Highlights were weak, imo. He didn't look that explosive when attacking the rim. It looked like a long arm guy reaching for the rim. I mean his head stays near the bottom of the nets when he dunks. Then on his post moves its all bully ball/chicken wing/hooks. That's great against undersized players but boy will he have to learn fast.

what I like is his physical attributes and body type. He might be able to translate bully ball into his pro game as he matures and develop real moves. What is also appealing is his possible shooting ability. If he has a jumper it would real set him apart.

In a way, he reminds me of a taller Nene, I think Nene was a better athlete(pre_injury/cancer) but there body types and offensive games could be similar. Towns is more defensive minded which is great. I just hope he has a greatness motor that Nene lacks. Nene kind of has that Rasheed Wallace type mind set where he is comfortable being the other guy. That's not really a bad thing but they could have been greats if their mindsets matched their physical abilities and skill.

Hes not taller than Nene but they dont have the same games at all.

I can tell easily that Towns will be a MUCH better rebounder/shot blocker. He is quick to the ball rebounds out of space grabs the ball at peak in traffic--so many things that will let a team know he is a + rebounder. I dont believe Nene was ever a shot blocker and while it remains to be seen if Towns is---his timing is good/great his reach for the ball is quick and long and his block ratio as a freshmen is very high.

Other differences--Towns has a higher ceiling offensively because his game has more diversity and he has a great stroke. He shoots FT at nearly 85% and while we have not see Towns use a mid range game--he should be able to develop an in game one and I think he has a world of possibilities on the offensive end/.

If I had to make a comparison (and this is without his growing anymore--if he does spring up those 2-3 inches then watch out) but I think hes more like A Lamarcus Aldridge with the ability to block shots. I like him at the 4 position unless he grows over 7 feet early in his career.

Don't Talk to Fish about how much you like Towns rebounding. He might call you a liar

now your just being a baby , and for what its worth it was supremecommander who called you out for making up #s on the fly.

Anytime you want to talk hoops Im game. If you want to stomp your feet and tantrum go enjoy that.

I didn't make up numbers. I said Towns had multiple double digit rebound games then SCommando went off and personal on me about how weak the SEC is which had nothing to do with Towns performance in the tournament as Kentucky's competition was tougher than Duke's.

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:i like Towns but those Highlights were weak, imo. He didn't look that explosive when attacking the rim. It looked like a long arm guy reaching for the rim. I mean his head stays near the bottom of the nets when he dunks. Then on his post moves its all bully ball/chicken wing/hooks. That's great against undersized players but boy will he have to learn fast.

what I like is his physical attributes and body type. He might be able to translate bully ball into his pro game as he matures and develop real moves. What is also appealing is his possible shooting ability. If he has a jumper it would real set him apart.

In a way, he reminds me of a taller Nene, I think Nene was a better athlete(pre_injury/cancer) but there body types and offensive games could be similar. Towns is more defensive minded which is great. I just hope he has a greatness motor that Nene lacks. Nene kind of has that Rasheed Wallace type mind set where he is comfortable being the other guy. That's not really a bad thing but they could have been greats if their mindsets matched their physical abilities and skill.

Hes not taller than Nene but they dont have the same games at all.

I can tell easily that Towns will be a MUCH better rebounder/shot blocker. He is quick to the ball rebounds out of space grabs the ball at peak in traffic--so many things that will let a team know he is a + rebounder. I dont believe Nene was ever a shot blocker and while it remains to be seen if Towns is---his timing is good/great his reach for the ball is quick and long and his block ratio as a freshmen is very high.

Other differences--Towns has a higher ceiling offensively because his game has more diversity and he has a great stroke. He shoots FT at nearly 85% and while we have not see Towns use a mid range game--he should be able to develop an in game one and I think he has a world of possibilities on the offensive end/.

If I had to make a comparison (and this is without his growing anymore--if he does spring up those 2-3 inches then watch out) but I think hes more like A Lamarcus Aldridge with the ability to block shots. I like him at the 4 position unless he grows over 7 feet early in his career.

If Towns measured Height is correct then he is taller than Nene. Towns potential shooting ability would be a major difference. Me comparison had more to do with body types and Nene as a prospect.

BRIGGS wrote:If we end up with Towns--Id green light him right away starting in SL. I want him to take the open 14 footer as well as the interior shots. No hesitation get used to shooting the ball. If youre not open pass--but Id want him to get up FGA's. He needs to develop his offense right away.

Couldn't agree more with that. I'd actually take it a step further -- go out and find at least 1 good big man coach to help him learn the finer points of playing in the post and to accelerate/maximize overall development. It's an investment worth making, hands down. Whatever other big men we pick up along the way in FA could also benefit. I can't believe some are arguing the point, saying Towns couldn't possibly benefit from a big man coach, that he's already up to speed because he grew up watching his favorite NBA players on TV and because he may have watched the occasional youtube instructional video. WTF?? Really?!? Are some of you guys kidding me or what? So you wouldn't want the team to put their best foot forward and hire a big man coach to work with Towns or any other big we acquire? Have I got some of you right?? Wow. SMH..

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:i like Towns but those Highlights were weak, imo. He didn't look that explosive when attacking the rim. It looked like a long arm guy reaching for the rim. I mean his head stays near the bottom of the nets when he dunks. Then on his post moves its all bully ball/chicken wing/hooks. That's great against undersized players but boy will he have to learn fast.

what I like is his physical attributes and body type. He might be able to translate bully ball into his pro game as he matures and develop real moves. What is also appealing is his possible shooting ability. If he has a jumper it would real set him apart.

In a way, he reminds me of a taller Nene, I think Nene was a better athlete(pre_injury/cancer) but there body types and offensive games could be similar. Towns is more defensive minded which is great. I just hope he has a greatness motor that Nene lacks. Nene kind of has that Rasheed Wallace type mind set where he is comfortable being the other guy. That's not really a bad thing but they could have been greats if their mindsets matched their physical abilities and skill.

Hes not taller than Nene but they dont have the same games at all.

I can tell easily that Towns will be a MUCH better rebounder/shot blocker. He is quick to the ball rebounds out of space grabs the ball at peak in traffic--so many things that will let a team know he is a + rebounder. I dont believe Nene was ever a shot blocker and while it remains to be seen if Towns is---his timing is good/great his reach for the ball is quick and long and his block ratio as a freshmen is very high.

Other differences--Towns has a higher ceiling offensively because his game has more diversity and he has a great stroke. He shoots FT at nearly 85% and while we have not see Towns use a mid range game--he should be able to develop an in game one and I think he has a world of possibilities on the offensive end/.

If I had to make a comparison (and this is without his growing anymore--if he does spring up those 2-3 inches then watch out) but I think hes more like A Lamarcus Aldridge with the ability to block shots. I like him at the 4 position unless he grows over 7 feet early in his career.

Don't Talk to Fish about how much you like Towns rebounding. He might call you a liar

now your just being a baby , and for what its worth it was supremecommander who called you out for making up #s on the fly.

Anytime you want to talk hoops Im game. If you want to stomp your feet and tantrum go enjoy that.

I didn't make up numbers. I said Towns had multiple double digit rebound games then SCommando went off and personal on me about how weak the SEC is which had nothing to do with Towns performance in the tournament as Kentucky's competition was tougher than Duke's.

you win. And OK4 is the next Mike Sweeetney.

I might regret saying this, but the Sweetney connection did occur to me on OK4, granted the likelihood of OK4 going sloth appears to be quite slim.

When it comes to OK4, I am more concerned about the good player / great program issue. Duke puts out a competitive squad every year cause Coach K is great. He maximizes the effectiveness of his players. Much like USC football did during the Pete Carroll years. But the players coming out of those programs were never used as effectively as they were within the programs. So, the stars of the programs tend to regress in the professional leagues. Its hard for me to tell if OK4 is 'that good' or whether Coach K uses him more effectively.

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:i like Towns but those Highlights were weak, imo. He didn't look that explosive when attacking the rim. It looked like a long arm guy reaching for the rim. I mean his head stays near the bottom of the nets when he dunks. Then on his post moves its all bully ball/chicken wing/hooks. That's great against undersized players but boy will he have to learn fast.

what I like is his physical attributes and body type. He might be able to translate bully ball into his pro game as he matures and develop real moves. What is also appealing is his possible shooting ability. If he has a jumper it would real set him apart.

In a way, he reminds me of a taller Nene, I think Nene was a better athlete(pre_injury/cancer) but there body types and offensive games could be similar. Towns is more defensive minded which is great. I just hope he has a greatness motor that Nene lacks. Nene kind of has that Rasheed Wallace type mind set where he is comfortable being the other guy. That's not really a bad thing but they could have been greats if their mindsets matched their physical abilities and skill.

Hes not taller than Nene but they dont have the same games at all.

I can tell easily that Towns will be a MUCH better rebounder/shot blocker. He is quick to the ball rebounds out of space grabs the ball at peak in traffic--so many things that will let a team know he is a + rebounder. I dont believe Nene was ever a shot blocker and while it remains to be seen if Towns is---his timing is good/great his reach for the ball is quick and long and his block ratio as a freshmen is very high.

Other differences--Towns has a higher ceiling offensively because his game has more diversity and he has a great stroke. He shoots FT at nearly 85% and while we have not see Towns use a mid range game--he should be able to develop an in game one and I think he has a world of possibilities on the offensive end/.

If I had to make a comparison (and this is without his growing anymore--if he does spring up those 2-3 inches then watch out) but I think hes more like A Lamarcus Aldridge with the ability to block shots. I like him at the 4 position unless he grows over 7 feet early in his career.

Don't Talk to Fish about how much you like Towns rebounding. He might call you a liar

now your just being a baby , and for what its worth it was supremecommander who called you out for making up #s on the fly.

Anytime you want to talk hoops Im game. If you want to stomp your feet and tantrum go enjoy that.

I didn't make up numbers. I said Towns had multiple double digit rebound games then SCommando went off and personal on me about how weak the SEC is which had nothing to do with Towns performance in the tournament as Kentucky's competition was tougher than Duke's.

you win. And OK4 is the next Mike Sweeetney.

I might regret saying this, but the Sweetney connection did occur to me on OK4, granted the likelihood of OK4 going sloth appears to be quite slim.

When it comes to OK4, I am more concerned about the good player / great program issue. Duke puts out a competitive squad every year cause Coach K is great. He maximizes the effectiveness of his players. Much like USC football did during the Pete Carroll years. But the players coming out of those programs were never used as effectively as they were within the programs. So, the stars of the programs tend to regress in the professional leagues. Its hard for me to tell if OK4 is 'that good' or whether Coach K uses him more effectively.

Yea if Fish stopped with the agenda driven posting he would see that I said OK4 has a huge wing span like Sweetney. Thick long arms and hands. No question Ok4 will be a better pro and not completely fall off the face of the earth like Sweetney did. I've also said in the past how I hope Ok4 commits himself to NBA conditioning and losses the baby fat and doesn't go the other way and blow up like Sweetney. As far as their games and physic goes I think he is closer to Eddy Curry who probably wouldve dominated college as a freshman. Big difference is Curry had shorter arms if I remember correctly or did he also have a big wingspan? I forget. I also said I think OK4 can put up boozer & jefferson numbers offensively

EwingsGlass wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:youtube Towns looks great.

youtube "any of the first round picks" look great.

But with Towns limited play, due to Coach Cal's brilliant substitution straties....Along with Towns frequent fouls, you have to look at Youtube to gage his potential. But to go from a face up outside shooter in HS, to a back to the basket post player the next year, is a clear indication of his hard work and dedication to get better.

Towns has the chance to develop low post moves like OK4.....Even if it takes his entire rookie contract. OK4 will NEVER have Towns hops or agiliity, regardless if he works on it or not. Towns simply has things you really can't teach. OK4 has a very pollished offensive game that he learned. Town's is using all natural abilities. OK4 is using learned abilities.

But I will repeat to reduce back and forth convo.....I would love to have either one......both will have long NBA careers. They will simply impact the game in different ways, so you can never compare them because it's like apples and oranges. Both are good. Some prefer oranges some prefer apples, which is similar to all the OK4 vs Towns discussions. Some areas grow apples better than organges, which is similar to Phils new triangle culture. Having a big that can do different things, and will be the focal point is music to any big mans ears. Phil will find who he's looking for whether through the draft or free agency.

You are right, Blk. But I like what I see on Towns. Clear cut number 1 in my opinion. I see a lot of Andrew Bynum in him with more outside game. My worry with the bigs is health issues. So far, aside from fatigue, he appears healthy. I don't think he will get 35 mins for 82 games next year. Foul trouble from lazy fouls may be his biggest weakness.

Towns fouls don't come because he is lazy like Melo's fouls. They are because he is overplaying and over anxious at times. Very easy thing to fix. The kid plays why heart. Too think people were questioning his heart earlier in the season when he was simply going through the normal adjustment period between high school and college ball at Kentucky.

I also compared him to BYNUM in January but with outside shooting and much quicker feet and superior athleticism

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:youtube Towns looks great.

youtube "any of the first round picks" look great.

But with Towns limited play, due to Coach Cal's brilliant substitution straties....Along with Towns frequent fouls, you have to look at Youtube to gage his potential. But to go from a face up outside shooter in HS, to a back to the basket post player the next year, is a clear indication of his hard work and dedication to get better.

Towns has the chance to develop low post moves like OK4.....Even if it takes his entire rookie contract. OK4 will NEVER have Towns hops or agiliity, regardless if he works on it or not. Towns simply has things you really can't teach. OK4 has a very pollished offensive game that he learned. Town's is using all natural abilities. OK4 is using learned abilities.

But I will repeat to reduce back and forth convo.....I would love to have either one......both will have long NBA careers. They will simply impact the game in different ways, so you can never compare them because it's like apples and oranges. Both are good. Some prefer oranges some prefer apples, which is similar to all the OK4 vs Towns discussions. Some areas grow apples better than organges, which is similar to Phils new triangle culture. Having a big that can do different things, and will be the focal point is music to any big mans ears. Phil will find who he's looking for whether through the draft or free agency.

Im so with you. I think the athleticism stuff isnt the red flag it might have been in the past. Steph Curry had those reg flags. As for bigs Marc Gasol is one of the more unathletic guys in the league and he was DPOY. There simply isnt a blue print (anymore).

Whoever we draft... Towns, OK4, you, Im drinking that koolaid. Looking forward to watching a home grown team start to develop here

Right on me too!

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Listening to Colin Cowherd. He just played a clip from coach K. analyzing OK4. He said he has great hands & great footwork but needs to improve his worth ethic to compete against the best in the NBA. Assuming he's talking about improving his conditioning and defense. Things we all already are aware of that raise red flags as a top 2 pick.

If Towns, Mudiay, Winslow and Russell are off the board and we draft OK4 I will be very happy and hopeful that he does improve on those areas. Just like I would hope Mudiay develops a killer jumper. However I think it's easier to develop a jumper than fix things between the ears. Ok4 has to have it in him to want to be great. Otherwise he will be just another Boozer, Eddy curry etc

Didn't Calipari call out Towns for lack of effort this season? Coaches calling out their players like that is a motivational technique.

Yes, he certainly did call out Towns mid-season. And it seems to have made a difference.