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As much as people knock philly, they seem to be in a prime position with their multi year rebuild.

They are stacked with picks, and have some good young players.

I think that they are in much better shape than we are, and statistically, have a much better chance and being a really good team in 3 years than we do.

Not a hater ... just being a realist.

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CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


I have read about him.

and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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Phil isnt our GM, but is playing the role because we have Mills as our GM.
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knickscity wrote:Phil isnt our GM, but is playing the role because we have Mills as our GM.
dolan will always be the gm in some form unfortunetly
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3/22/2015  2:11 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


I have read about him.

and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?


I think there is a legitimate concern that he is always looking at moves as providing the opportunity to have a better future without thinking about winning in the present. In regards to comparing Hinkie and Phil I am not sure who ends up being better. Would Hinkie have traded JR and Shump for a second, and six mil in cap space?
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CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


I have read about him.

and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?


I think there is a legitimate concern that he is always looking at moves as providing the opportunity to have a better future without thinking about winning in the present. In regards to comparing Hinkie and Phil I am not sure who ends up being better. Would Hinkie have traded JR and Shump for a second, and six mil in cap space?

Hinkie would have traded shump while he still could get good value for him.

He would have dumped Tyson, Melo, Shump and Lil Timmy a long long time ago.

So far, Hinkie's moves have been mostly looked at as excellent ones.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2015  2:15 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
knickscity wrote:Phil isnt our GM, but is playing the role because we have Mills as our GM.
dolan will always be the gm in some form unfortunetly

Only in the minds of fans. But seriously what owner doesnt provide input in their basketball team?
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3/22/2015  2:16 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


I have read about him.

and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?


I think there is a legitimate concern that he is always looking at moves as providing the opportunity to have a better future without thinking about winning in the present. In regards to comparing Hinkie and Phil I am not sure who ends up being better. Would Hinkie have traded JR and Shump for a second, and six mil in cap space?
so far has shown he can get cap space which is nice but is no guarantee free agents will sign. If he was able to get a couple first round picks then i probably would reconsider my answer to the poll
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


I have read about him.

and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?


I think there is a legitimate concern that he is always looking at moves as providing the opportunity to have a better future without thinking about winning in the present. In regards to comparing Hinkie and Phil I am not sure who ends up being better. Would Hinkie have traded JR and Shump for a second, and six mil in cap space?
so far has shown he can get cap space which is nice but is no guarantee free agents will sign. If he was able to get a couple first round picks then i probably would reconsider my answer to the poll

not sure what you are saying??

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


I have read about him.

and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?


I think there is a legitimate concern that he is always looking at moves as providing the opportunity to have a better future without thinking about winning in the present. In regards to comparing Hinkie and Phil I am not sure who ends up being better. Would Hinkie have traded JR and Shump for a second, and six mil in cap space?
so far has shown he can get cap space which is nice but is no guarantee free agents will sign. If he was able to get a couple first round picks then i probably would reconsider my answer to the poll

not sure what you are saying??

meaning i feel right now i feel philly has the better future because they are loaded with picks. We only have 1 for the next couple years
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


I have read about him.

and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?


I think there is a legitimate concern that he is always looking at moves as providing the opportunity to have a better future without thinking about winning in the present. In regards to comparing Hinkie and Phil I am not sure who ends up being better. Would Hinkie have traded JR and Shump for a second, and six mil in cap space?
so far has shown he can get cap space which is nice but is no guarantee free agents will sign. If he was able to get a couple first round picks then i probably would reconsider my answer to the poll

not sure what you are saying??

meaning i feel right now i feel philly has the better future because they are loaded with picks. We only have 1 for the next couple years

oh ... got it.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


I have read about him.

and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?


I think there is a legitimate concern that he is always looking at moves as providing the opportunity to have a better future without thinking about winning in the present. In regards to comparing Hinkie and Phil I am not sure who ends up being better. Would Hinkie have traded JR and Shump for a second, and six mil in cap space?
so far has shown he can get cap space which is nice but is no guarantee free agents will sign. If he was able to get a couple first round picks then i probably would reconsider my answer to the poll

not sure what you are saying??

meaning i feel right now i feel philly has the better future because they are loaded with picks. We only have 1 for the next couple years

oh ... got it.

sorry about that its always easier to explain myself better face to face
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


I have read about him.

and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?


I think there is a legitimate concern that he is always looking at moves as providing the opportunity to have a better future without thinking about winning in the present. In regards to comparing Hinkie and Phil I am not sure who ends up being better. Would Hinkie have traded JR and Shump for a second, and six mil in cap space?
so far has shown he can get cap space which is nice but is no guarantee free agents will sign. If he was able to get a couple first round picks then i probably would reconsider my answer to the poll

not sure what you are saying??

meaning i feel right now i feel philly has the better future because they are loaded with picks. We only have 1 for the next couple years

oh ... got it.

sorry about that its always easier to explain myself better face to face

are you asking me out?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2015  2:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2015  2:27 PM
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

Yea if Hinkie pulls it off, drafts some studs and signs a Harden type, there will be books written about him and how to successfully trade players in professional sports.

Hinkie is the kind of young stud GM I've been clamoring for Phil to hire. Not Steve Mills!
Hinkie knows how the current nba operates. He understands the current CBA
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gunsnewing wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

Yea if Hinkie pulls it off, drafts some studs and signs a Harden type, there will be books written about him and how to successfully trade players in professional sports

Sam Hinkie

The Art Of Buying Low and Selling High In Professional Sports.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2015  2:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2015  2:28 PM
I added to my post^
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smackeddog wrote:Draft picks are fools gold- they eventually have to be turned into players, and those players can just as easily be Greg Odens, Thabeet and Shumperts. Just because a team has lots of picks, it doesn't mean they will become great players. Just because they have cap space, it doesn't mean they will land great players. 76ers have very little in real terms- Noels is looking promising, but that's just about it. They will struggle to sign any free agent, so they will be reliant on getting lucky with their picks. The drafted MCW, and then moved him because ehe sucks. They drafted Embiid and then had doubts due to his foot injury and work ethic.

They don't even have that many extra no 1 picks- the OKC one will likely be late 1st round, as will the Miami one. We drafted Tim Jr and Shumpert with late 1st's. Mavs drafted Larkin with the 18th.


You're not winning anything without usage of the draft and having superior talent evaluators. it's hardly fools gold. You can name examples all day but look at your champions....they all have top drafted players, mixed in with mid drafts and some gems.

Been arguing this with boneheads for 15yrs
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mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=49408
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gunsnewing wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

Yea if Hinkie pulls it off, drafts some studs and signs a Harden type, there will be books written about him and how to successfully trade players in professional sports.

Hinkie is the kind of young stud GM I've been clamoring for Phil to hire. Not Steve Mills!
Hinkie knows how the current nba operates. He understands the current CBA

And if he drafts stinkers his legacy will suck. People just have blind faith in him, his actual record is not good.
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CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.

Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.

If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.


http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=49408

the post is to show that you have read about him?

I know you have and I respect your opinion too ...

I guess that I just believe in what he is doing more than you do.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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gunsnewing wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.

Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.

We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.

Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.

Yea if Hinkie pulls it off, drafts some studs and signs a Harden type, there will be books written about him and how to successfully trade players in professional sports.

Hinkie is the kind of young stud GM I've been clamoring for Phil to hire. Not Steve Mills!
Hinkie knows how the current nba operates. He understands the current CBA

And if he drafts stinkers his legacy will suck. People just have blind faith in him, his actual record is not good.

Sixers fans I know don't have blind faith in him. They just stopped following and are in a holding pattern waiting for the next phase of team building to begin.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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