crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We can always wait for Durant/Davis and strike out again

or we can just ejaculate early like always.

You trade MONROE for Anthony Davis if he shakes loose. There's absolutrlely no downside to adding MONROE now even if it takes $15per. We dealt with the blackhole often injured amare for 5yrs. MONROE is a much better rebounder and passer. I'm sure he is better defensively too since amare had the worst defensive instincts. He is also young & durable.

SMH at the idea that you can trade Monroe, even in a package, for Anthony Davis. Wow.

well ... we would have to throw in Stretch Calderon and Thj

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We can always wait for Durant/Davis and strike out again

or we can just ejaculate early like always.

You trade MONROE for Anthony Davis if he shakes loose. There's absolutrlely no downside to adding MONROE now even if it takes $15per. We dealt with the blackhole often injured amare for 5yrs. MONROE is a much better rebounder and passer. I'm sure he is better defensively too since amare had the worst defensive instincts. He is also young & durable.

SMH at the idea that you can trade Monroe, even in a package, for Anthony Davis. Wow.

This idea was pre-approved by The National Trade Rape Association, so I don't see what your problem with it is

gunsnewing wrote:You guys all suck. Don't make me go full Eny

what happened to him? Did he get banned?

gunsnewing wrote:If Davis wants to come to a bigger market they wi have to trade him. Greg Monroe is better than anything Denver got for Melo. All hypothetical but it happens. I have no interest in Durant unless Melo is gone

ok dude, you need a timeout.

gunsnewing wrote:If Davis wants to come to a bigger market they wi have to trade him. Greg Monroe is better than anything Denver got for Melo. All hypothetical but it happens. I have no interest in Durant unless Melo is gone

Easy. The Knicks trade a 31yr old Melo plus Greg Monroe for a 24yr old Davis. Then sign Durant with the cap room. Not one ring... not two... not three...

So simple.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Splat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Splat wrote:Careful what you wish for. Guy is going to want a 4 year deal. That pretty much determines the fate of the franchise when you're locked into Melo and Monroe as your frontline. If he is less than truly excellent, you'll be so very sorry with this guy. The possibility of a major disappointment with Monroe would be greater than not IMO.

This is not true at all. The cap is set to go up to 80-90 mil next year. Monroe at 16 mil per year is good value even if he doesn't improve and stays a 16/10 player that he has been the last few seasons and plays almost every game. Or he can improve and become a 20/10 all-star in this system. Point is you are getting a player who has some upside and almost no downside for what will be considered significantly less than market value in a couple of years.

So even if he is sub-par who cares, right?, because hey the cap will be so much fatter. Having money to spend doesn't mean it gets spent well.

But he is not sub-par. He has been at the very least a consistent double-double, low post threat the past 5 years. Why would that suddenly change? He is as consistant as consistant gets the past 4-5 years. Your reasoning makes no sense. He is a low risk player. You stated if he is less than excellent it's poor value, and i dispute that. 16 mil per year for a 16/10 player who shoots 50% from the field and has proven to be a very good passer and high IQ player is a bargain in the new salary cap figures. If you have some specific reason you feel he will begin to decline at 24 years old, then that's another topic.

I think people get the wrong impression of just what we'd be getting with Monroe. For one thing he's young and already producing at a high level. He's one of the league leaders in Points Per Shot which is a good stat to judge a players scoring production. If he gets a bump from being in the Triangle it would make for a great value for this team.

RK	PLAYER	                TEAM	GP	PPG	FGM	FGA	FGM	FGA	FG%	2PM	2PA	2P%	PPS	FG%
1	Anthony Davis, PF	NO	55	24.6	9.6	17.7	526	971	.542	525	961	.546	1.39	.542
2	Amir Johnson, PF	TOR	65	9.4	4.0	7.0	263	457	.575	248	421	.589	1.34	.592
3	Derrick Favors, PF	UTAH	63	16.3	6.7	12.3	419	776	.540	419	774	.541	1.33	.540
4	Paul Millsap, PF	ATL	65	16.9	6.2	12.8	400	834	.480	330	640	.516	1.32	.522
5	Kevin Love, PF	        CLE	65	16.7	5.5	12.9	360	837	.430	238	500	.476	1.30	.503
6	Greg Monroe, PF	        DET	64	16.0	6.2	12.4	395	796	.496	395	796	.496	1.29	.496
 	Blake Griffin, PF	LAC	54	22.2	8.6	17.3	467	932	.501	459	911	.504	1.29	.505
8	Tim Duncan, PF	        SA	62	14.2	5.6	11.3	349	702	.497	348	696	.500	1.26	.498
 	Kenneth Faried, PF	DEN	62	11.9	4.7	9.5	293	587	.499	292	580	.503	1.26	.500
10	Pau Gasol, PF	        CHI	65	18.4	7.3	14.7	473	957	.494	463	937	.494	1.25	.499
 	Dirk Nowitzki, PF	DAL	65	17.4	6.4	14.0	417	909	.459	327	670	.488	1.25	.508
12	Nene Hilario, PF	WSH	58	11.2	4.7	9.0	272	524	.519	271	519	.522	1.24	.520
 	Brandon Bass, PF	BOS	67	10.5	4.2	8.5	283	568	.498	275	544	.506	1.24	.505
14	Zach Randolph, PF	MEM	57	16.4	6.5	13.4	371	761	.488	366	747	.490	1.23	.491
15	Donatas Motiejunas, PF	HOU	67	11.8	4.9	9.7	326	652	.500	280	528	.530	1.21	.535
16	LaMarcus Aldridge, PF	POR	59	23.5	9.3	20.0	548	1182	.464	519	1104	.470	1.17	.476
 	Ryan Anderson, PF	NO	52	14.6	5.1	12.5	266	651	.409	155	327	.474	1.17	.494
 	Serge Ibaka, PF	        OKC	64	14.3	5.8	12.3	374	786	.476	297	581	.511	1.17	.525
19	Luis Scola, PF	        IND	66	9.3	3.7	8.1	247	532	.464	242	515	.470	1.15	.469
 	Carlos Boozer, PF	LAL	64	12.3	5.4	10.7	348	686	.507	348	686	.507	1.15	.507

Nix, who are you against the knicks bringing in of the free agents?

There are a small group of guys that are on my list which has been stated over and over again on this forum. It all depends on which guy we draft. As long as you realize that we need to improve the talent on this roster with some legit starting caliber players. I only suggest players that will have a positive impact on the team. There's no question that Monroe would be an improvement over what we have and there are only a few bigs that we have a chance to get who are better and they'd be more expensive. There's that saying "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". We need so much talent that you can't turn your nose up to every player who isn't perfect. It still comes back to the draft and who we can get and that will dictate who we should go after in Free Agency.

I have stated often both who I like and don't want.

Who don't you want? You don't state anybody you don't like, therefore whoever we get is just pretty perfect, no?

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:
There are a small group of guys that are on my list which has been stated over and over again on this forum. It all depends on which guy we draft. As long as you realize that we need to improve the talent on this roster with some legit starting caliber players. I only suggest players that will have a positive impact on the team. There's no question that Monroe would be an improvement over what we have and there are only a few bigs that we have a chance to get who are better and they'd be more expensive. There's that saying "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". We need so much talent that you can't turn your nose up to every player who isn't perfect. It still comes back to the draft and who we can get and that will dictate who we should go after in Free Agency.

You don't give someone who "isn't perfect" a max or near max deal just because you need talent. that is an express lane to the tenth seed.

That's actually what Dumars in Detroit has done for YEARS and it has killed them. He gave insane contracts to players like Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, Ben Gordon, Charlie Villenueva and it made them just good enough to not get top 5 picks and just bad enough to not make the playoffs.

That's a no man's land.

Greg Monroe is not a playoffs caliber big man unless he is your fifth best starter. Tell me which West playoffs team he'd start on. There isn't one.

His max is not the same as Gasol's max. You're talking about a 24 yr old big who is still improving at his max which is $16.5 Mil. I think perhaps you're including him in a group of players that is unfair to his actual talent. He'd be one piece of the puzzle and you still have your draft pick and another possible Free Agent starter to add to the mix. I"m not saying that we're definitely getting Monroe, since as I said who we draft will play the biggest part in the targets in Free Agency. I'm saying that he's not a bad investment as some are trying to make him out to be.

mreinman wrote:I have stated often both who I like and don't want.

Who don't you want? You don't state anybody you don't like, therefore whoever we get is just pretty perfect, no?

No one can ever accuse me of not taking a stand, tho this seems to be something that crops up with certain posters. I've made entire threads stating who my targets would be. It's really a moving target since we don't know who we're drafting and that could change the circumstances.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:
There are a small group of guys that are on my list which has been stated over and over again on this forum. It all depends on which guy we draft. As long as you realize that we need to improve the talent on this roster with some legit starting caliber players. I only suggest players that will have a positive impact on the team. There's no question that Monroe would be an improvement over what we have and there are only a few bigs that we have a chance to get who are better and they'd be more expensive. There's that saying "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". We need so much talent that you can't turn your nose up to every player who isn't perfect. It still comes back to the draft and who we can get and that will dictate who we should go after in Free Agency.

You don't give someone who "isn't perfect" a max or near max deal just because you need talent. that is an express lane to the tenth seed.

That's actually what Dumars in Detroit has done for YEARS and it has killed them. He gave insane contracts to players like Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, Ben Gordon, Charlie Villenueva and it made them just good enough to not get top 5 picks and just bad enough to not make the playoffs.

That's a no man's land.

Greg Monroe is not a playoffs caliber big man unless he is your fifth best starter. Tell me which West playoffs team he'd start on. There isn't one.

His max is not the same as Gasol's max. You're talking about a 24 yr old big who is still improving at his max which is $16.5 Mil. I think perhaps you're including him in a group of players that is unfair to his actual talent. He'd be one piece of the puzzle and you still have your draft pick and another possible Free Agent starter to add to the mix. I"m not saying that we're definitely getting Monroe, since as I said who we draft will play the biggest part in the targets in Free Agency. I'm saying that he's not a bad investment as some are trying to make him out to be.

mreinman wrote:I have stated often both who I like and don't want.

Who don't you want? You don't state anybody you don't like, therefore whoever we get is just pretty perfect, no?

No one can ever accuse me of not taking a stand, tho this seems to be something that crops up with certain posters. I've made entire threads stating who my targets would be. It's really a moving target since we don't know who we're drafting and that could change the circumstances.

You exaggerate the value of every player you decide to pump. Sorry, but you're always saying every player you get behind has tons of upside when the truth that is rarely borne out. Making statements about five year vets significantly improving their game AFTER they land a fat contract is just wishful thinking. Overpaying a guy like this can also be the opposite and once they are paid they could either not improve or be complacent and regress. As Rein says, take them for what they are now without projecting them to be something they are not yet. Talking about upside when giving out near max contracts is just nuts.

Splat wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:
There are a small group of guys that are on my list which has been stated over and over again on this forum. It all depends on which guy we draft. As long as you realize that we need to improve the talent on this roster with some legit starting caliber players. I only suggest players that will have a positive impact on the team. There's no question that Monroe would be an improvement over what we have and there are only a few bigs that we have a chance to get who are better and they'd be more expensive. There's that saying "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". We need so much talent that you can't turn your nose up to every player who isn't perfect. It still comes back to the draft and who we can get and that will dictate who we should go after in Free Agency.

You don't give someone who "isn't perfect" a max or near max deal just because you need talent. that is an express lane to the tenth seed.

That's actually what Dumars in Detroit has done for YEARS and it has killed them. He gave insane contracts to players like Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, Ben Gordon, Charlie Villenueva and it made them just good enough to not get top 5 picks and just bad enough to not make the playoffs.

That's a no man's land.

Greg Monroe is not a playoffs caliber big man unless he is your fifth best starter. Tell me which West playoffs team he'd start on. There isn't one.

His max is not the same as Gasol's max. You're talking about a 24 yr old big who is still improving at his max which is $16.5 Mil. I think perhaps you're including him in a group of players that is unfair to his actual talent. He'd be one piece of the puzzle and you still have your draft pick and another possible Free Agent starter to add to the mix. I"m not saying that we're definitely getting Monroe, since as I said who we draft will play the biggest part in the targets in Free Agency. I'm saying that he's not a bad investment as some are trying to make him out to be.

mreinman wrote:I have stated often both who I like and don't want.

Who don't you want? You don't state anybody you don't like, therefore whoever we get is just pretty perfect, no?

No one can ever accuse me of not taking a stand, tho this seems to be something that crops up with certain posters. I've made entire threads stating who my targets would be. It's really a moving target since we don't know who we're drafting and that could change the circumstances.

but who DON'T you want??

Seriously ... you have to have a do not want list, no?

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nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:
There are a small group of guys that are on my list which has been stated over and over again on this forum. It all depends on which guy we draft. As long as you realize that we need to improve the talent on this roster with some legit starting caliber players. I only suggest players that will have a positive impact on the team. There's no question that Monroe would be an improvement over what we have and there are only a few bigs that we have a chance to get who are better and they'd be more expensive. There's that saying "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". We need so much talent that you can't turn your nose up to every player who isn't perfect. It still comes back to the draft and who we can get and that will dictate who we should go after in Free Agency.

You don't give someone who "isn't perfect" a max or near max deal just because you need talent. that is an express lane to the tenth seed.

That's actually what Dumars in Detroit has done for YEARS and it has killed them. He gave insane contracts to players like Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, Ben Gordon, Charlie Villenueva and it made them just good enough to not get top 5 picks and just bad enough to not make the playoffs.

That's a no man's land.

Greg Monroe is not a playoffs caliber big man unless he is your fifth best starter. Tell me which West playoffs team he'd start on. There isn't one.

His max is not the same as Gasol's max. You're talking about a 24 yr old big who is still improving at his max which is $16.5 Mil. I think perhaps you're including him in a group of players that is unfair to his actual talent. He'd be one piece of the puzzle and you still have your draft pick and another possible Free Agent starter to add to the mix. I"m not saying that we're definitely getting Monroe, since as I said who we draft will play the biggest part in the targets in Free Agency. I'm saying that he's not a bad investment as some are trying to make him out to be.

mreinman wrote:I have stated often both who I like and don't want.

Who don't you want? You don't state anybody you don't like, therefore whoever we get is just pretty perfect, no?

No one can ever accuse me of not taking a stand, tho this seems to be something that crops up with certain posters. I've made entire threads stating who my targets would be. It's really a moving target since we don't know who we're drafting and that could change the circumstances.

You exaggerate the value of every player you decide to pump. Sorry, but you're always saying every player you get behind has tons of upside when the truth that is rarely borne out. Making statements about five year vets significantly improving their game AFTER they land a fat contract is just wishful thinking. Overpaying a guy like this can also be the opposite and once they are paid they could either not improve or be complacent and regress. As Rein says, take them for what they are now without projecting them to be something they are not yet. Talking about upside when giving out near max contracts is just nuts.

Once again. We're talking about a 24 yr old. You do realize that it's very rare to be able to get a kid like this as an Unrestricted Free Agent? Perhaps you guys just don't realize that it's possible for a 24 year old to get better and be coached up to fully maximize his potential. Like it or not Monroe will rightfully be one of the players worth targeting this summer. I'm not saying that we should move heaven and earth to get him no matter who we draft. It will very much matter who we draft.

Yeah I just don't get it. Guys like this aren't available often. He would be a steal.