mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:$9mil is not bad. Right around what Jimmy Butler will get. If Phil feels Lance would fit the system and get back to playing good 2-way ball I'd be all for it.

If we trade the. Calderon & THJ even better!!

not bad? Ifs fukkin suicide ...

Maybe if we got back 2 first rounders along with that.

I swear that people are losing their minds ... take on a 9 million guys who was one of the worst players in the league this year? Are you kidding me (not you specifically, guns)?????????

it comes down to the order of when this is considered... if this is the first move we make, say on draft day I have to agree, its pretty dumb. However if we whiff on the big FAs, Lance might be an option. It entirely possible all the tier1 FAs are either resigned or just reject our offers. When that happens you start looking at creative options. Lance for 1 year (his last year is a team option) has a lot of merit. He's had a terrible Calderon type year so its a buy low. If its a bad fit your looking at a 1 year rental and as an expiring contract with a 1 year team option he should be an attractive contract come trade deadline.

You look at Lance's #s he was progressing beautifully in literally every category and he defends. I dont know why Cha has been such a bad fit but he can certainly use a change of scenery and should be really motivated to say the least.

A one year $9mm commitment shouldnt be the scare off your making it to be

You know what? I did not realize that year 3 was a team option. If that is the case then I could care less if they get him next year (without giving anything up) as long as we have already whiffed on everyone else.

IMHO, his mind set is not what we want for our culture. If we had a true alpha leader then it would make more sense (e.g. Jordan/Rodman, Kobe/Artest ...)

we can't afford for him to come in here and make trouble. And, who says that he has the capacity to learn/accept the triangle? He is in the JR smith / idiot mold. Super Duper Talent and terrible mental makeup. How does a mentally tough player just fold like this on a new team? He has become one of the worst players in the game this year.

That's a valid argument against adding Lance - this team does not have a leader. Melo is just never going to be one, it's not in his makeup.

That's a big problem with FA for this team - can we import a veteran leader? A Jason Kidd or Chauncey Billups type? I was hoping Calderon could be that guy, but it's clear he's not.

But it's been shown that Melo really needs that type of player on the floor for him. His best seasons were with Kidd and Billups (in Denver). I had thought Tyson was a leader, but you could really see him strain under the load of that once Kidd and (to a far lesser extent) Sheed left.

As much as this team needs an influx of Tier 1 and Tier 2 guys, we need some leadership on the floor. Weirdly, I feel like Galloway could be that type, but I fear he'll defer to Melo too much once Melo is back.

exactly how I feel.

I think the only guy who can be that guy is Dragic and Riley effed that one up :-(

maybe Gasol could be that guy too but we probably have little chance at his as well though I think we may have a better chance than people think ... he is my sleeper.

Dragic might still be that guy. He's an UFA and while Miami is a damn nice place to spend the winters its not NY so we will see. 4 years and $60mm for Dragic with Shved, Galloway in the mix is a good backcourt.

Overpaying? Maybe but the new cap will surely soften that.

would love to get him at this point even if we need to overpay ...

being a betting man, I say that 80/20 he ends up back in Miami

Also we get his weird brother Zoltar or whatever his handle is

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:$9mil is not bad. Right around what Jimmy Butler will get. If Phil feels Lance would fit the system and get back to playing good 2-way ball I'd be all for it.

If we trade the. Calderon & THJ even better!!

not bad? Ifs fukkin suicide ...

Maybe if we got back 2 first rounders along with that.

I swear that people are losing their minds ... take on a 9 million guys who was one of the worst players in the league this year? Are you kidding me (not you specifically, guns)?????????

it comes down to the order of when this is considered... if this is the first move we make, say on draft day I have to agree, its pretty dumb. However if we whiff on the big FAs, Lance might be an option. It entirely possible all the tier1 FAs are either resigned or just reject our offers. When that happens you start looking at creative options. Lance for 1 year (his last year is a team option) has a lot of merit. He's had a terrible Calderon type year so its a buy low. If its a bad fit your looking at a 1 year rental and as an expiring contract with a 1 year team option he should be an attractive contract come trade deadline.

You look at Lance's #s he was progressing beautifully in literally every category and he defends. I dont know why Cha has been such a bad fit but he can certainly use a change of scenery and should be really motivated to say the least.

A one year $9mm commitment shouldnt be the scare off your making it to be

You know what? I did not realize that year 3 was a team option. If that is the case then I could care less if they get him next year (without giving anything up) as long as we have already whiffed on everyone else.

IMHO, his mind set is not what we want for our culture. If we had a true alpha leader then it would make more sense (e.g. Jordan/Rodman, Kobe/Artest ...)

we can't afford for him to come in here and make trouble. And, who says that he has the capacity to learn/accept the triangle? He is in the JR smith / idiot mold. Super Duper Talent and terrible mental makeup. How does a mentally tough player just fold like this on a new team? He has become one of the worst players in the game this year.

That's a valid argument against adding Lance - this team does not have a leader. Melo is just never going to be one, it's not in his makeup.

That's a big problem with FA for this team - can we import a veteran leader? A Jason Kidd or Chauncey Billups type? I was hoping Calderon could be that guy, but it's clear he's not.

But it's been shown that Melo really needs that type of player on the floor for him. His best seasons were with Kidd and Billups (in Denver). I had thought Tyson was a leader, but you could really see him strain under the load of that once Kidd and (to a far lesser extent) Sheed left.

As much as this team needs an influx of Tier 1 and Tier 2 guys, we need some leadership on the floor. Weirdly, I feel like Galloway could be that type, but I fear he'll defer to Melo too much once Melo is back.

exactly how I feel.

I think the only guy who can be that guy is Dragic and Riley effed that one up :-(

maybe Gasol could be that guy too but we probably have little chance at his as well though I think we may have a better chance than people think ... he is my sleeper.

Dragic might still be that guy. He's an UFA and while Miami is a damn nice place to spend the winters its not NY so we will see. 4 years and $60mm for Dragic with Shved, Galloway in the mix is a good backcourt.

Overpaying? Maybe but the new cap will surely soften that.

would love to get him at this point even if we need to overpay ...

being a betting man, I say that 80/20 he ends up back in Miami

yup... maybe 60/40 but it really comes down the city I think. Miami kinda sucks.. its a weird town, but who knows.

Also we get his weird brother Zoltar or whatever his handle is

haha Zoran.

Miami does suck ... went to games down there ... empty. Miami does not really have a core base. Its a bunch of vacationers, dual residents.

NY has its own problems but I think that Dragic would be loved in NY. He really plays the game the right way.

His defense worries me a bit but whaddya gonna do.

Also, I think that he gets 20 per which I really don't want to pay. The new cap may change that, lets see.

crzymdups wrote:If we can get Dragic or Marc Gasol, I will post a Vine of me attempting to do backflips.

Those are my two dream free agents, though obviously wildly unrealistic.

One thing - I do think Marc Gasol is not TOTALLY out of play. Pau will obviously speak highly of Phil. Marc Gasol went to high school in Memphis... in my experience those are exactly the type of people who can be wooed by the idea of going to a more international place like NYC or LA. We'll see. As good as Memphis is... not sure they are actually a true contender. I think they may have found their ceiling as a great team that doesn't have the sort of superstar to take them over the top in a 7 game series against the OKCs and Spurs and maybe GSWs of the West.

We'll see. But, yeah, there was a comment Pau made earlier in the year which made me think Gasol would at least listen to what Phil had to say. He should be phone call A1 on midnight of free agency. Heck, Phil and Fish and Melo should be at Gasol's doorstep at 11:59pm and ring the bell at midnight on the dot. (also maybe a reason to keep Calderon around)

Yup ... thats why he is my sleeper.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:If we can get Dragic or Marc Gasol, I will post a Vine of me attempting to do backflips.

Those are my two dream free agents, though obviously wildly unrealistic.

One thing - I do think Marc Gasol is not TOTALLY out of play. Pau will obviously speak highly of Phil. Marc Gasol went to high school in Memphis... in my experience those are exactly the type of people who can be wooed by the idea of going to a more international place like NYC or LA. We'll see. As good as Memphis is... not sure they are actually a true contender. I think they may have found their ceiling as a great team that doesn't have the sort of superstar to take them over the top in a 7 game series against the OKCs and Spurs and maybe GSWs of the West.

We'll see. But, yeah, there was a comment Pau made earlier in the year which made me think Gasol would at least listen to what Phil had to say. He should be phone call A1 on midnight of free agency. Heck, Phil and Fish and Melo should be at Gasol's doorstep at 11:59pm and ring the bell at midnight on the dot. (also maybe a reason to keep Calderon around)

Yup ... thats why he is my sleeper.

Memphis currently drawing the Spurs in the first round in the West. Go Spurs.

I am rooting for them. I love Conley ... another of my favs.

TPercy wrote:If Wear wants to be a part of the Knicks he needs to hit the D League for a little while.

His best shot is getting picked up by the Cavs so he can harass Lebron in practice

Splat wrote:

TPercy wrote:If Wear wants to be a part of the Knicks he needs to hit the D League for a little while.

His best shot is getting picked up by the Cavs so he can harass Lebron in practice

haha!

TPercy wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:If Wear wants to be a part of the Knicks he needs to hit the D League for a little while.

He looked good last night. Has he been hurt? I know there were reports of a hip injury.

He did, but other aspects needs to be polished

Despite all that, amidst the squalor, there are some positives. Former Raptor Andrea Bargnani, for instance, has been playing pretty good lately. He had a fine showing in the Knicks’ upset victory over the defending champion San Antonio Spurs last week, with 16 points and 10 rebounds (only his second double-double on the season). He has averaged more than 17 points per game since joining the starting lineup in February.

Point guard Alexey Shved has also put up some decent stats of late, averaging more than 16 points per game over the last 10 contests, while Langston Galloway, an undrafted rookie picked up by the Knicks in January, is just one of two active first-year players netting more than 10 points per game this season (the other is No. 1 draft pick Andrew Wiggins).