gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:You always have to draft the best talent instead of the best fit...OK4 looks a little slow to me and is methodical in nature...I think he needs to play with more energy...But I'll take OK4 all day..He is only a freshman...He has lots to learn..Duncan freshman year and senior year are two completely different players..

It's possible OK4 improves defensively but Towns is already there. He blocks shots. Maybe if Ok4 losses that baby fat he will move better defensively. Maybe he swells up like Eddy Curry. Who knows? At least you know Towns is in NBA shape and motivated to play both ends

I know from your posting that you really like Towns, but I've watched him playing at times, and wonder about his footwork in terms of movement.

I remember a few years ago that some were high on Thabeet, but whenever I saw him play I saw a guy who did not have the mobility to be a good player, and lacked fundamental skill and instincts. Was not posting around here at that time, but I expect that I would have had some arguments with folks about him.

I AM NOT comparing Towns to Thabeet, Towns clearly has more skills, other than to say that I have seen some games from Towns where he does not look as assertive as a help defender and rebounder, as his reputations says he should be.

You see him on the court matched with Stein, who is physically more mature, of course, and you can see the difference in how they each react and help out on D. You also wonder about Towns getting into foul trouble if he is the only big man on a team.

He is a guy who you really wish you could see play a full season 30+ MPG games without a Stein or Johnson to back him up. He would also have to control his game a bit to keep from fouling out, I would think.

Yea Towns has a lot more skills than Thabeet who was projected to be a more protypical old shook center. Towns is more a modern do it all center. More like Davis

why don't you just cut and paste my posts

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:You always have to draft the best talent instead of the best fit...OK4 looks a little slow to me and is methodical in nature...I think he needs to play with more energy...But I'll take OK4 all day..He is only a freshman...He has lots to learn..Duncan freshman year and senior year are two completely different players..

It's possible OK4 improves defensively but Towns is already there. He blocks shots. Maybe if Ok4 losses that baby fat he will move better defensively. Maybe he swells up like Eddy Curry. Who knows? At least you know Towns is in NBA shape and motivated to play both ends

I know from your posting that you really like Towns, but I've watched him playing at times, and wonder about his footwork in terms of movement.

I remember a few years ago that some were high on Thabeet, but whenever I saw him play I saw a guy who did not have the mobility to be a good player, and lacked fundamental skill and instincts. Was not posting around here at that time, but I expect that I would have had some arguments with folks about him.

I AM NOT comparing Towns to Thabeet, Towns clearly has more skills, other than to say that I have seen some games from Towns where he does not look as assertive as a help defender and rebounder, as his reputations says he should be.

You see him on the court matched with Stein, who is physically more mature, of course, and you can see the difference in how they each react and help out on D. You also wonder about Towns getting into foul trouble if he is the only big man on a team.

He is a guy who you really wish you could see play a full season 30+ MPG games without a Stein or Johnson to back him up. He would also have to control his game a bit to keep from fouling out, I would think.

Yea Towns has a lot more skills than Thabeet who was projected to be a more protypical old shook center. Towns is more a modern do it all center. More like Davis

why don't you just cut and paste my posts

My bad I meant to give credit but couldn't remeber who said it. I compared him to Davis before for those very reasons. That was a great point you made and probably will be why Phil picks Towns. Hopefully we are there to pick him

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Maybe look on Towns vs OK4 as being similar to Wiggins vs Parker. However, theres something about Towns that leaves me worried he has large bust potential. Personally, I honestly don't think we'll get the top pick, so I guess we'll be spared from having to make that decision.

The problem with Towns is that everything we hear about him is based on potential. We hear that he has range, but he hasn't shown consistency yet. We hear that he'll be able to score in the post consistently, but we're only guessing when we say how effective he'll be on the NBA level. His defense isn't really a given at this point because It's unclear how well he'll do without Stein.

We have had guys watching those Kentucky practices so often to see:

1) Whether the flashes we see from Towns of having this or that potential playing 21 MPG can be seen on a more regular basis in their practices

2) Whether Cauley-Stein, because he buys into the Calipari system, is hiding some offensive ability that might change his status in the draft, and make us think about taking him if we fall out of the top 3 spots when the balls are drawn.

Of course there are other players on that team we might be able to pick up if we purchase or trade for another #1 or #2, or trade down, but I think they are really looking at Towns and Stein. IMO.

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:You always have to draft the best talent instead of the best fit...OK4 looks a little slow to me and is methodical in nature...I think he needs to play with more energy...But I'll take OK4 all day..He is only a freshman...He has lots to learn..Duncan freshman year and senior year are two completely different players..

It's possible OK4 improves defensively but Towns is already there. He blocks shots. Maybe if Ok4 losses that baby fat he will move better defensively. Maybe he swells up like Eddy Curry. Who knows? At least you know Towns is in NBA shape and motivated to play both ends

I know from your posting that you really like Towns, but I've watched him playing at times, and wonder about his footwork in terms of movement.

I remember a few years ago that some were high on Thabeet, but whenever I saw him play I saw a guy who did not have the mobility to be a good player, and lacked fundamental skill and instincts. Was not posting around here at that time, but I expect that I would have had some arguments with folks about him.

I AM NOT comparing Towns to Thabeet, Towns clearly has more skills, other than to say that I have seen some games from Towns where he does not look as assertive as a help defender and rebounder, as his reputations says he should be.

You see him on the court matched with Stein, who is physically more mature, of course, and you can see the difference in how they each react and help out on D. You also wonder about Towns getting into foul trouble if he is the only big man on a team.

He is a guy who you really wish you could see play a full season 30+ MPG games without a Stein or Johnson to back him up. He would also have to control his game a bit to keep from fouling out, I would think.

Yea Towns has a lot more skills than Thabeet who was projected to be a more protypical old shook center. Towns is more a modern do it all center. More like Davis

why don't you just cut and paste my posts

My bad I meant to give credit but couldn't remeber who said it. I compared him to Davis before for those very reasons. That was a great point you made and probably will be why Phil picks Towns. Hopefully we are there to pick him

you are comparing him to anthony davis? is that the davis you are talking about?

FistOfOakley wrote:

fishmike wrote:OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

you also have to account for a little more of their statistical profile... none of those guys on that list had less than 4 blocks per 40... okafor is at 1.8...

there are tons of pf's who score with efficiency at volume but have low block totals... blake griffin, chris webber, barkley and malone are better matches to okafor's profile than the centers..

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:
My bad I meant to give credit but couldn't remeber who said it. I compared him to Davis before for those very reasons. That was a great point you made and probably will be why Phil picks Towns. Hopefully we are there to pick him

you are comparing him to anthony davis? is that the davis you are talking about?

he is no ADavis, however, he is of that mold. The modern big man.

i definitely agree that he is no anthony davis, the only familiarity between the two is that they played for calipari at kentucky. towns is much more of a inside box player, who just happens to have a good shooting stroke, as well. towns is a big who's going to do most of his damage in the low-box, whereas anthony davis is definitely a roamer - davus is light years better defensively too.

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:You always have to draft the best talent instead of the best fit...OK4 looks a little slow to me and is methodical in nature...I think he needs to play with more energy...But I'll take OK4 all day..He is only a freshman...He has lots to learn..Duncan freshman year and senior year are two completely different players..

It's possible OK4 improves defensively but Towns is already there. He blocks shots. Maybe if Ok4 losses that baby fat he will move better defensively. Maybe he swells up like Eddy Curry. Who knows? At least you know Towns is in NBA shape and motivated to play both ends

I know from your posting that you really like Towns, but I've watched him playing at times, and wonder about his footwork in terms of movement.

I remember a few years ago that some were high on Thabeet, but whenever I saw him play I saw a guy who did not have the mobility to be a good player, and lacked fundamental skill and instincts. Was not posting around here at that time, but I expect that I would have had some arguments with folks about him.

I AM NOT comparing Towns to Thabeet, Towns clearly has more skills, other than to say that I have seen some games from Towns where he does not look as assertive as a help defender and rebounder, as his reputations says he should be.

You see him on the court matched with Stein, who is physically more mature, of course, and you can see the difference in how they each react and help out on D. You also wonder about Towns getting into foul trouble if he is the only big man on a team.

He is a guy who you really wish you could see play a full season 30+ MPG games without a Stein or Johnson to back him up. He would also have to control his game a bit to keep from fouling out, I would think.

Yea Towns has a lot more skills than Thabeet who was projected to be a more protypical old shook center. Towns is more a modern do it all center. More like Davis

why don't you just cut and paste my posts

My bad I meant to give credit but couldn't remeber who said it. I compared him to Davis before for those very reasons. That was a great point you made and probably will be why Phil picks Towns. Hopefully we are there to pick him

you are comparing him to anthony davis? is that the davis you are talking about?

No. If I bring up a name it doesn't mean I think he is going to be the same. I'm talking about certain aspects. Read the thread I posted

i did read the thread, i don't see anywhere where it relates to anthony davis. they are nothing alike.

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:You always have to draft the best talent instead of the best fit...OK4 looks a little slow to me and is methodical in nature...I think he needs to play with more energy...But I'll take OK4 all day..He is only a freshman...He has lots to learn..Duncan freshman year and senior year are two completely different players..

It's possible OK4 improves defensively but Towns is already there. He blocks shots. Maybe if Ok4 losses that baby fat he will move better defensively. Maybe he swells up like Eddy Curry. Who knows? At least you know Towns is in NBA shape and motivated to play both ends

I know from your posting that you really like Towns, but I've watched him playing at times, and wonder about his footwork in terms of movement.

I remember a few years ago that some were high on Thabeet, but whenever I saw him play I saw a guy who did not have the mobility to be a good player, and lacked fundamental skill and instincts. Was not posting around here at that time, but I expect that I would have had some arguments with folks about him.

I AM NOT comparing Towns to Thabeet, Towns clearly has more skills, other than to say that I have seen some games from Towns where he does not look as assertive as a help defender and rebounder, as his reputations says he should be.

You see him on the court matched with Stein, who is physically more mature, of course, and you can see the difference in how they each react and help out on D. You also wonder about Towns getting into foul trouble if he is the only big man on a team.

He is a guy who you really wish you could see play a full season 30+ MPG games without a Stein or Johnson to back him up. He would also have to control his game a bit to keep from fouling out, I would think.

Yea Towns has a lot more skills than Thabeet who was projected to be a more protypical old shook center. Towns is more a modern do it all center. More like Davis

why don't you just cut and paste my posts

My bad I meant to give credit but couldn't remeber who said it. I compared him to Davis before for those very reasons. That was a great point you made and probably will be why Phil picks Towns. Hopefully we are there to pick him

Its really nice to say Towns like Anthony Davis. Only problem is Davis was able to showcase his level of talent.

Davis 14ppg 10rebs 4.7blocks .623FG%
Towns 9ppg 6rebs 2.4blocks .554FG%

Not even close... in any way shape or form.

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:You always have to draft the best talent instead of the best fit...OK4 looks a little slow to me and is methodical in nature...I think he needs to play with more energy...But I'll take OK4 all day..He is only a freshman...He has lots to learn..Duncan freshman year and senior year are two completely different players..

It's possible OK4 improves defensively but Towns is already there. He blocks shots. Maybe if Ok4 losses that baby fat he will move better defensively. Maybe he swells up like Eddy Curry. Who knows? At least you know Towns is in NBA shape and motivated to play both ends

I know from your posting that you really like Towns, but I've watched him playing at times, and wonder about his footwork in terms of movement.

I remember a few years ago that some were high on Thabeet, but whenever I saw him play I saw a guy who did not have the mobility to be a good player, and lacked fundamental skill and instincts. Was not posting around here at that time, but I expect that I would have had some arguments with folks about him.

I AM NOT comparing Towns to Thabeet, Towns clearly has more skills, other than to say that I have seen some games from Towns where he does not look as assertive as a help defender and rebounder, as his reputations says he should be.

You see him on the court matched with Stein, who is physically more mature, of course, and you can see the difference in how they each react and help out on D. You also wonder about Towns getting into foul trouble if he is the only big man on a team.

He is a guy who you really wish you could see play a full season 30+ MPG games without a Stein or Johnson to back him up. He would also have to control his game a bit to keep from fouling out, I would think.

Yea Towns has a lot more skills than Thabeet who was projected to be a more protypical old shook center. Towns is more a modern do it all center. More like Davis

why don't you just cut and paste my posts

My bad I meant to give credit but couldn't remeber who said it. I compared him to Davis before for those very reasons. That was a great point you made and probably will be why Phil picks Towns. Hopefully we are there to pick him

Was Davis the #2 rebounder and #4 scorer on his team in college? No he wasnt. He led his team in scoring, rebs and blocks. The only thing Towns leads his own team on his blocks and that # is about half what Anthony Davis put up.

Its really nice to say Towns like Anthony Davis. Only problem is Davis was able to showcase his level of talent.

Davis 14ppg 10rebs 4.7blocks .623FG%
Towns 9ppg 6rebs 2.4blocks .554FG%

Not even close... in any way shape or form.

I don't think that KT is AD but are you comparing the numbers based on the PER 40?

PPG:

Davis: 17.7
KAT: 18.7

RPG:

Davis: 13.0
KAT: 12.9

Assists:

Davis: 1.7
KAT: 1.9

Blocks:

Davis: 5.8!!
Towns: 4.5

TS:

Davis: 65.4
KAT: 61.5

WS48:

Davis: .314
KAT: .309

Obviously you would need to assume that there would not be diminished returns but this comparison is quite remarkable and surprising.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:You always have to draft the best talent instead of the best fit...OK4 looks a little slow to me and is methodical in nature...I think he needs to play with more energy...But I'll take OK4 all day..He is only a freshman...He has lots to learn..Duncan freshman year and senior year are two completely different players..

It's possible OK4 improves defensively but Towns is already there. He blocks shots. Maybe if Ok4 losses that baby fat he will move better defensively. Maybe he swells up like Eddy Curry. Who knows? At least you know Towns is in NBA shape and motivated to play both ends

I know from your posting that you really like Towns, but I've watched him playing at times, and wonder about his footwork in terms of movement.

I remember a few years ago that some were high on Thabeet, but whenever I saw him play I saw a guy who did not have the mobility to be a good player, and lacked fundamental skill and instincts. Was not posting around here at that time, but I expect that I would have had some arguments with folks about him.

I AM NOT comparing Towns to Thabeet, Towns clearly has more skills, other than to say that I have seen some games from Towns where he does not look as assertive as a help defender and rebounder, as his reputations says he should be.

You see him on the court matched with Stein, who is physically more mature, of course, and you can see the difference in how they each react and help out on D. You also wonder about Towns getting into foul trouble if he is the only big man on a team.

He is a guy who you really wish you could see play a full season 30+ MPG games without a Stein or Johnson to back him up. He would also have to control his game a bit to keep from fouling out, I would think.

Yea Towns has a lot more skills than Thabeet who was projected to be a more protypical old shook center. Towns is more a modern do it all center. More like Davis

why don't you just cut and paste my posts

My bad I meant to give credit but couldn't remeber who said it. I compared him to Davis before for those very reasons. That was a great point you made and probably will be why Phil picks Towns. Hopefully we are there to pick him

Was Davis the #2 rebounder and #4 scorer on his team in college? No he wasnt. He led his team in scoring, rebs and blocks. The only thing Towns leads his own team on his blocks and that # is about half what Anthony Davis put up.

Its really nice to say Towns like Anthony Davis. Only problem is Davis was able to showcase his level of talent.

Davis 14ppg 10rebs 4.7blocks .623FG%
Towns 9ppg 6rebs 2.4blocks .554FG%

Not even close... in any way shape or form.

I don't think that KT is AD but are you comparing the numbers based on the PER 40?

I posted Towns & Ok4's 40min per stats in the other Towns thread last week. Both are very good and their TS% are close