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Knixkik
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3/4/2015  10:37 AM
fishmike wrote:Towns is clearly #1.... but once again cant play 30 minutes. 5 fouls in 27 minutes and Georgia doesnt have ANY centers on their roster. Im not sure they have a guy bigger than 6'8, but yea... Im sure Towns will be fine against NBA caliber players.

In a better draft he would be in the 5-8 range. The fact that fols are debating him as a #1 tells me this draft blows.

No way would a player of his current ability and potential fall out of the top 5 in any draft. He has 2-way star big man potential. Saying he would be 5-8 in a better draft is beyond a stretch. He has Cousins, Horford, young bynum type potential.

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3/4/2015  10:37 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:Nope Towns is a 4. He can flip over to 5 but hes a 4.

I think he will do the most damage vs 5's. I want a Towns/Monroe frontline. Ajinca & Towns at the 4 works too.

If we get this right we will finally have the dynamic front court we've been starved for since trading EwingOak/Camby/LJ

I agree. A Towns/Monroe frontcourt is my realistic dream right now. Ajinca, Koufos, or Lavoy Allen off the bench. Towns is a stud, no doubt about it. I am equally happy with either Okafor or Towns. I would be content with Russell as well, but the 2 big men are both going to be stars for different reasons. Towns has the most upside no doubt. He can impact the game next season with defense, rebounding, finishing, and his jumper. His post game will take awhile, but adding a player like Monroe will allow him to grow slowly. Monroe will be the post player and main piece for the triangle next season. Towns can be a supporting player and defensive impact guy as he grows into a more focused offensive role. But a frontcourt of Monroe, Towns, and Melo offers everything you can ask for in an NBA frontcourt.

Yup. Best front court since coincidently Phil's 2010 champion Lakers

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3/4/2015  10:45 AM
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NYKBocker wrote:I am back to Towns again instead of Okafor. Man, this is fun. I agree with BRIGGS...Towns or Okafor...it would not matter...we would get a great pick. Watch...then we get Mundiay instead

I wouldn't be to upset if we got Mudiay. He will be a very good player I wouldn't doubt it if he turns out to be the best of the bunch. I see Mudiay fitting into the triangle seamlessly.

my only knock on him is my same on Towns: I simply want to see more.

I personally think the best player in the draft will be Russell. He's got NBA athleticism. He's got sick ball handling skills. He's a 6'5 SG with a 6'9 wingspan. He puts up 20ppg AND give you 6 assists and 6 boards. He LEADS his team in rebounding. He's got an absolute killer instinct and is much more than just a scorer.

I really hope he falls in our laps. I would be fine with Towns and obviously thrilled with OK4, but I think Russell ends up being the franchise star. This guy is like a Wade/Curry hybrid.

I know its hard to pass on a guy like Towns for a small player, but Russell would be the SG the triangle gurus will drool over.


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3/4/2015  10:49 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:Towns is clearly #1.... but once again cant play 30 minutes. 5 fouls in 27 minutes and Georgia doesnt have ANY centers on their roster. Im not sure they have a guy bigger than 6'8, but yea... Im sure Towns will be fine against NBA caliber players.

In a better draft he would be in the 5-8 range. The fact that fols are debating him as a #1 tells me this draft blows.

Fishmike--a 6-11 260 pound skill PF is just what we need to START with. I'd be very happy with okafor a s well but I think people can see that Towns is a more diversified player who might still be growing.

Towns' game sort of reminds me of Ewing. He is a better lowpost player then he is given credit and far advance defender at his size. My number one wish is to select Russell, but Town would do just fine

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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3/4/2015  10:50 AM
BRIGGS wrote:After pick #3 the draft drops off the mountain. I think someone on another board said it well--pick top 3 or bust.

We can still get a good player--but no where near the value of the top 3. Staying in pole position 1 gives us more than a 70% chance of that probability.
When we play Philly two more times--we simply have to play a 12 man roster giving players 3 -4 minute stretches and practice zone flexes and full court pressure:)

Aw, don't say that- your jinxing us to the 4th pick!

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3/4/2015  10:51 AM
I'm amazed at Towns improvement, and hope we draft him. I still expect him to struggle and not contribute much the first year though.
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3/4/2015  10:52 AM
Knixkik wrote:
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BRIGGS wrote:Nope Towns is a 4. He can flip over to 5 but hes a 4.

I think he will do the most damage vs 5's. I want a Towns/Monroe frontline. Ajinca & Towns at the 4 works too.

If we get this right we will finally have the dynamic front court we've been starved for since trading EwingOak/Camby/LJ

I agree. A Towns/Monroe frontcourt is my realistic dream right now. Ajinca, Koufos, or Lavoy Allen off the bench. Towns is a stud, no doubt about it. I am equally happy with either Okafor or Towns. I would be content with Russell as well, but the 2 big men are both going to be stars for different reasons. Towns has the most upside no doubt. He can impact the game next season with defense, rebounding, finishing, and his jumper. His post game will take awhile, but adding a player like Monroe will allow him to grow slowly. Monroe will be the post player and main piece for the triangle next season. Towns can be a supporting player and defensive impact guy as he grows into a more focused offensive role. But a frontcourt of Monroe, Towns, and Melo offers everything you can ask for in an NBA frontcourt.

An OK4/RLopez would be much better than a Towns/Monroe frontcourt. Its not even debatable.

You guys seem to think Im down on Towns. Mostly Im just curious as to why you ignore his lack of production, or for example last night where he fouled out in 27 minutes vs. a team that doesnt have a big over 6'8. OK4 would have had 30/15 againt that frontcourt.

I like him alot, but you guys like to pretend he doesnt have holes or issues. There are plenty. He still has time to dispell them, and I hope he does, but they are there. Last night in point.

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3/4/2015  10:53 AM
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NYKBocker wrote:I am back to Towns again instead of Okafor. Man, this is fun. I agree with BRIGGS...Towns or Okafor...it would not matter...we would get a great pick. Watch...then we get Mundiay instead

I wouldn't be to upset if we got Mudiay. He will be a very good player I wouldn't doubt it if he turns out to be the best of the bunch. I see Mudiay fitting into the triangle seamlessly.

I would be devastated if we pick Mudiay....that kid should not be a lottery player. He is an unknown commodity. High risk commodity. Why reward a dude who failed to use the college route?

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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3/4/2015  10:54 AM
smackeddog wrote:I'm amazed at Towns improvement, and hope we draft him. I still expect him to struggle and not contribute much the first year though.
yea.. Im sure the fans in NY would have plenty of patience. Of course anything Towns fails to do can surely be attributed to Melo holding him back
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3/4/2015  10:55 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I am back to Towns again instead of Okafor. Man, this is fun. I agree with BRIGGS...Towns or Okafor...it would not matter...we would get a great pick. Watch...then we get Mundiay instead

I wouldn't be to upset if we got Mudiay. He will be a very good player I wouldn't doubt it if he turns out to be the best of the bunch. I see Mudiay fitting into the triangle seamlessly.

my only knock on him is my same on Towns: I simply want to see more.

I personally think the best player in the draft will be Russell. He's got NBA athleticism. He's got sick ball handling skills. He's a 6'5 SG with a 6'9 wingspan. He puts up 20ppg AND give you 6 assists and 6 boards. He LEADS his team in rebounding. He's got an absolute killer instinct and is much more than just a scorer.

I really hope he falls in our laps. I would be fine with Towns and obviously thrilled with OK4, but I think Russell ends up being the franchise star. This guy is like a Wade/Curry hybrid.

I know its hard to pass on a guy like Towns for a small player, but Russell would be the SG the triangle gurus will drool over.


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3/4/2015  11:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2015  11:05 AM
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Knixkik wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Nope Towns is a 4. He can flip over to 5 but hes a 4.

I think he will do the most damage vs 5's. I want a Towns/Monroe frontline. Ajinca & Towns at the 4 works too.

If we get this right we will finally have the dynamic front court we've been starved for since trading EwingOak/Camby/LJ

I agree. A Towns/Monroe frontcourt is my realistic dream right now. Ajinca, Koufos, or Lavoy Allen off the bench. Towns is a stud, no doubt about it. I am equally happy with either Okafor or Towns. I would be content with Russell as well, but the 2 big men are both going to be stars for different reasons. Towns has the most upside no doubt. He can impact the game next season with defense, rebounding, finishing, and his jumper. His post game will take awhile, but adding a player like Monroe will allow him to grow slowly. Monroe will be the post player and main piece for the triangle next season. Towns can be a supporting player and defensive impact guy as he grows into a more focused offensive role. But a frontcourt of Monroe, Towns, and Melo offers everything you can ask for in an NBA frontcourt.

An OK4/RLopez would be much better than a Towns/Monroe frontcourt. Its not even debatable.

You guys seem to think Im down on Towns. Mostly Im just curious as to why you ignore his lack of production, or for example last night where he fouled out in 27 minutes vs. a team that doesnt have a big over 6'8. OK4 would have had 30/15 againt that frontcourt.

I like him alot, but you guys like to pretend he doesnt have holes or issues. There are plenty. He still has time to dispell them, and I hope he does, but they are there. Last night in point.

The dude had a lot of fouls because he plays at both ends of the court unlike Okafor. He is a rim protector and often shoots the gaps which gets him a lot of ticky tac fouls. Don't blame him for being an all around player. It irritates me when I see high paid players finishing a game with only one or two fouls; that tells me that the dude is not playing at both ends of the court. See Carmelo, and guys who are only known as scorers....

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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3/4/2015  11:07 AM
Yea I don't get the need to constantly harp on his lack of playing 30mins when it's clear kentucky is stacked in the front court and he can afford to be aggressive defensively because of it
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3/4/2015  11:11 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I am back to Towns again instead of Okafor. Man, this is fun. I agree with BRIGGS...Towns or Okafor...it would not matter...we would get a great pick. Watch...then we get Mundiay instead

I wouldn't be to upset if we got Mudiay. He will be a very good player I wouldn't doubt it if he turns out to be the best of the bunch. I see Mudiay fitting into the triangle seamlessly.

my only knock on him is my same on Towns: I simply want to see more.

I personally think the best player in the draft will be Russell. He's got NBA athleticism. He's got sick ball handling skills. He's a 6'5 SG with a 6'9 wingspan. He puts up 20ppg AND give you 6 assists and 6 boards. He LEADS his team in rebounding. He's got an absolute killer instinct and is much more than just a scorer.

I really hope he falls in our laps. I would be fine with Towns and obviously thrilled with OK4, but I think Russell ends up being the franchise star. This guy is like a Wade/Curry hybrid.

I know its hard to pass on a guy like Towns for a small player, but Russell would be the SG the triangle gurus will drool over.


Only saw a glimpse of Russell but if he is as described I would be real happy with the selection. We need a quality PG like a you know what. Who knows how long Phil and the triangle will be here? Also would be happy with Towns, hard to find good low post players these days in this guard driven league.

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3/4/2015  11:11 AM
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fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Nope Towns is a 4. He can flip over to 5 but hes a 4.

I think he will do the most damage vs 5's. I want a Towns/Monroe frontline. Ajinca & Towns at the 4 works too.

If we get this right we will finally have the dynamic front court we've been starved for since trading EwingOak/Camby/LJ

I agree. A Towns/Monroe frontcourt is my realistic dream right now. Ajinca, Koufos, or Lavoy Allen off the bench. Towns is a stud, no doubt about it. I am equally happy with either Okafor or Towns. I would be content with Russell as well, but the 2 big men are both going to be stars for different reasons. Towns has the most upside no doubt. He can impact the game next season with defense, rebounding, finishing, and his jumper. His post game will take awhile, but adding a player like Monroe will allow him to grow slowly. Monroe will be the post player and main piece for the triangle next season. Towns can be a supporting player and defensive impact guy as he grows into a more focused offensive role. But a frontcourt of Monroe, Towns, and Melo offers everything you can ask for in an NBA frontcourt.

An OK4/RLopez would be much better than a Towns/Monroe frontcourt. Its not even debatable.

You guys seem to think Im down on Towns. Mostly Im just curious as to why you ignore his lack of production, or for example last night where he fouled out in 27 minutes vs. a team that doesnt have a big over 6'8. OK4 would have had 30/15 againt that frontcourt.

I like him alot, but you guys like to pretend he doesnt have holes or issues. There are plenty. He still has time to dispell them, and I hope he does, but they are there. Last night in point.

The dude had a lot of fouls because he plays at both ends of the court unlike Okafor. He is a rim protector and often gets accused of ticky tac fouls. Don't blame him for being an all around player. It irritates me when I see high paid players finishing a game with only one or two fouls; that tells me that the dude is not playing at both ends of the court. See Carmelo, and guys who are only known as scorers....

Towns can be more aggressive than OK4 because KY doesnt live and die by the 9ppg Towns gives them. OK4 drops 20 at 65%. That sir is as elite as elite gets. Towns also comes out on the perimeter to guard smaller guys, often the NCAA 6-7 PFs, and he does that very well. Towns 100% has the skill set to be a versatile defender in the NBA and two way player. I like his jumper as well.

You do understand I have never once said Towns cant do anything you guys are saying, Im simply saying he's never shown it on a consistent basis and that puts him behind OK4 or Russell. Towns also has Tyson Chandler chicken legs and suspect hands. If Towns has a breakout tourney Ill update my thoughts. Im calling it like I see it. I have no emotion attached to any of these guys, although I do think Russell has top 10 player potential.

Russell is a little smaller than Drexler but he's right there. A silky smooth player who does everything

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3/4/2015  11:22 AM
Fishmike, you already know my views on Russell.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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3/4/2015  12:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2015  12:02 PM
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Nope Towns is a 4. He can flip over to 5 but hes a 4.

I think he will do the most damage vs 5's. I want a Towns/Monroe frontline. Ajinca & Towns at the 4 works too.

If we get this right we will finally have the dynamic front court we've been starved for since trading EwingOak/Camby/LJ

I agree. A Towns/Monroe frontcourt is my realistic dream right now. Ajinca, Koufos, or Lavoy Allen off the bench. Towns is a stud, no doubt about it. I am equally happy with either Okafor or Towns. I would be content with Russell as well, but the 2 big men are both going to be stars for different reasons. Towns has the most upside no doubt. He can impact the game next season with defense, rebounding, finishing, and his jumper. His post game will take awhile, but adding a player like Monroe will allow him to grow slowly. Monroe will be the post player and main piece for the triangle next season. Towns can be a supporting player and defensive impact guy as he grows into a more focused offensive role. But a frontcourt of Monroe, Towns, and Melo offers everything you can ask for in an NBA frontcourt.

An OK4/RLopez would be much better than a Towns/Monroe frontcourt. Its not even debatable.

Either lineup would be good. But it is very debatable. Monroe/Towns has more upside and more offensive versatility. Better rebounding, passing, shooting, and better athleticism. But Ok4/Lopez is also a very good and any of us would be happy with.

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3/4/2015  12:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2015  12:05 PM
Until Lopez has foot problems like his brother.

I like Lopez but he is not going to be cheap.

If we get ok4 I'd sign Ajinca

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3/4/2015  12:15 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Until Lopez has foot problems like his brother.

I like Lopez but he is not going to be cheap.

If we get ok4 I'd sign Ajinca

Instead of Lopez i would sign the combination of Koufos and Ajinca. Both would come at around 4-6 mil per year, likely the same or less than Lopez combined. Can split time at the center and offer most of what he brings. But i like Lopez a lot as well, just think there are some cheaper options out there.

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3/4/2015  1:29 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Yea I don't get the need to constantly harp on his lack of playing 30mins when it's clear kentucky is stacked in the front court and he can afford to be aggressive defensively because of it
because when your great you still take over games, regardless of who is around you. Towns doesnt take over game. He plays a role. He's had some moments where he shows he's easily the best player. Other moments he just floats and lets the other "stacked" players carry the load. Chris Webber played on the most "stacked" team ever perhaps. Still put up 15/10 at 18 years old and 20/10 the following year.

Why does me pointing out facts disturb you so? Are you now totally emotionally vested in Towns and blind to reality? Anyone that has "concerns" = hating?

You realize Towns isnt the best defender on his own team? Thats Stein, and Towns is allowed to freelance more. How's that translate in the NBA?

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3/4/2015  1:45 PM
Completely disagree but I digress, let's agree to disagree and revist this thing after watching Towns for a year in the NBA
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