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BigRedDog
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2/26/2015  10:54 AM
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EnySpree wrote:All that complaining Splat is bull****....

We had Bargnani hurt until February. Calderón didn't start the season. Jr smith gave up in pre season. Shump gave up after November. Amare has been playing every other day when he felt like it. Melo has been hurt most of the year. Dalembert was left to do more than he's ever done. Shane Larkin was the starting point guard. Quincy Acy was a starter early on.

Most of those guys are gone.... but it's Phil's fault for 15 years of garbage? I don't even think Isiah and layden got this much negative bull**** thrown their way.

We're a lottery team yet. We're supposed to lose. What ate we supposed to lose win a championship with this group? Phil admitted he put too much trust in this group, so he traded all the ****suckers and put things in auto pilot.

We want the top 4 pick right? Then we need to lose.

it's like you guys want a personal blow job from Phil. Hit him up on twitter and see what he says

I gave you a thorough dissection of my reasoning and you missed every point made so I'll leave you alone with your erotic twitter exchanges.

Splat you really are a psycho. No need to respond

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/26/2015  10:58 AM
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SwishAndDish13 wrote:Good! Thank god! The 8th seed is the worst. I'd rather stink to high hell then get that garbage. I'd literally drive the tank if it was an option.

Drive the tank...and get pick #4...lol

What would you do then....kill yourself?

I've been trying to say this for a while now. We are heading back to the same point next year, the way this is going. Just to watch Toronto or Denver get our high pick.

We are depending on a rookie GM, rookie Coach and a rookie top 4 pick (maybe OK4 who fits right in with our lack of defense) to turn this ship around....Oh, don't forget the owner who will fold to all this negative energy from fans, media, endorsements.....This is why NYC is not good at tanking. Fans analyze every single inch, even when the plan is clear as day.....I feel sorry for the knick fans that continue to watch and cry themselves to sleep every night....lol

Brace yourself knick fans...It's not looking good right now....

Do exactly what everybody else would do when a plane is about to crash.

PUT YOU HEAD BETWEEN YOUR LEGS.....AND PRAY FOR A MIRACLE!

Nope--the plan right now is to assemble a base core out of the roster we have. The problem is most of the guys are brutal especially on the D and inconsistent on the O. Were going to get a top 4 pick--thats a lock of a guarantee. There is no plan there it was already happening.

That is one of the most ridiculous things you have ever said. A base core out of this group??? C'mon. At this point Phil is trying to find some complimentary pieces for the future, not a core. Briggs, do you have OCD? Every day a new thread on how bad Calderone is and lets get rid of him. what do you want the Knicks to do? Cut him tomorrow. Calderone is much better than he has shown. Maybe with better player, maybe on another team. at this point we don't need his slot or his money. Lets see how the off season goes. Maybe the Knicks trade him, maybe he comes back hopefully as a back up. Agreed the Knicks need a starting pg but there is no rush at this point to get rid of Calderone.

Anyone who thinks Calderon should be our starting PG and wants to win doesnt understand basketball. Yes they are trying to find "core players to move forward with" out of this group. Not the lead core the base secondary players. You know the Kerr's the Paxon's the Horry's etc.. problem is there really is not any.

I didn't say Calderone was a starting pg on a championship team. I did say if he comes back I would like him to be a back up. But there is no reason at this point to cut him and no reason to post every day about getting rid of him.

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/26/2015  11:03 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I mean we really sck. Please Phil--if you do one thing right--get rid of Jose Calderon--please. The whole team scks--I mean there is not one player you really can count on---I think our best player might be Admundson who's been waived more times than a flag on Independence Day. Tim Hardaway is dumb as a board. Bargnani scks--why are we wasting time on this Shevyd--another non athletic player who has no chance to guard NBA players? Why waste time on these guys????

They call this tanking in some circles Briggs.

The Knicks could trim the rotation to 8 players and potentially develop some cohesion / continuity but by continuing to submit new players into the mix (ex Bargs, Schved, Ware, Early, etc) you break down what little cohesion you might have and presto you get LOSSES.

Yes the suck - yes I watch them every night and damn I hope we get either Towns or Okafor come draft night.

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2/26/2015  11:07 AM
BigRedDog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
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blkexec wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Good! Thank god! The 8th seed is the worst. I'd rather stink to high hell then get that garbage. I'd literally drive the tank if it was an option.

Drive the tank...and get pick #4...lol

What would you do then....kill yourself?

I've been trying to say this for a while now. We are heading back to the same point next year, the way this is going. Just to watch Toronto or Denver get our high pick.

We are depending on a rookie GM, rookie Coach and a rookie top 4 pick (maybe OK4 who fits right in with our lack of defense) to turn this ship around....Oh, don't forget the owner who will fold to all this negative energy from fans, media, endorsements.....This is why NYC is not good at tanking. Fans analyze every single inch, even when the plan is clear as day.....I feel sorry for the knick fans that continue to watch and cry themselves to sleep every night....lol

Brace yourself knick fans...It's not looking good right now....

Do exactly what everybody else would do when a plane is about to crash.

PUT YOU HEAD BETWEEN YOUR LEGS.....AND PRAY FOR A MIRACLE!

Nope--the plan right now is to assemble a base core out of the roster we have. The problem is most of the guys are brutal especially on the D and inconsistent on the O. Were going to get a top 4 pick--thats a lock of a guarantee. There is no plan there it was already happening.

That is one of the most ridiculous things you have ever said. A base core out of this group??? C'mon. At this point Phil is trying to find some complimentary pieces for the future, not a core. Briggs, do you have OCD? Every day a new thread on how bad Calderone is and lets get rid of him. what do you want the Knicks to do? Cut him tomorrow. Calderone is much better than he has shown. Maybe with better player, maybe on another team. at this point we don't need his slot or his money. Lets see how the off season goes. Maybe the Knicks trade him, maybe he comes back hopefully as a back up. Agreed the Knicks need a starting pg but there is no rush at this point to get rid of Calderone.

Anyone who thinks Calderon should be our starting PG and wants to win doesnt understand basketball. Yes they are trying to find "core players to move forward with" out of this group. Not the lead core the base secondary players. You know the Kerr's the Paxon's the Horry's etc.. problem is there really is not any.

I didn't say Calderone was a starting pg on a championship team. I did say if he comes back I would like him to be a back up. But there is no reason at this point to cut him and no reason to post every day about getting rid of him.

I think when I see people adding Calderon to the starting 5 of a "new" proposed club it irritates me:) Whats the best we can get from Calderon? I cant accept paying a man 7.5mm to sit on the bench. The best thing we can get from Calderon is the 4.2mm the free agent year coming up and next if we waive and stretch his 2 year contract. That 4.2mm is a LOT of money for us.

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2/26/2015  11:09 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I mean we really sck. Please Phil--if you do one thing right--get rid of Jose Calderon--please. The whole team scks--I mean there is not one player you really can count on---I think our best player might be Admundson who's been waived more times than a flag on Independence Day. Tim Hardaway is dumb as a board. Bargnani scks--why are we wasting time on this Shevyd--another non athletic player who has no chance to guard NBA players? Why waste time on these guys????

Galloway is the best player on the squad right now -- simply because he defends very well, is tough, smart and can make a shot.

He's limited in size/stature but that kid has a tremendous heart --- reminds me of Fisher quite a bit. Would love to see him with 4 other very good players around him.
For example - he'd look very nice playing next to either Towns/Okafor because he's intelligent and he understands general movement, spacing and the triangle.

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2/26/2015  11:12 AM
TPercy wrote:Cuz we can't get nobody else. Phil really needs to do some work free agency because I don't want to see anyone in that starting five today starting. I hope Tim Hardaway Jr is long gone outta here he takes the dumbest shots possible. He starts out like 4 of 5 then ends up around 4 of 15. I have had it with him, he just does not get it. Before someone pulls the crap that he needs better coaching, if you need a player nevermind a goddamn coach to tell you that you should be using your athleticsm more, stop taking so many 3s, or taking fadaway long 2s consecutivly is a bad idea, then you are dumb as ****. If Phil can pull off 1 or more second rounders for the dude in this draft, he would make many Knicks fans happy men.

Yep - very disappointed in T-Hardaway. He just doesn't seem to get it and he has horrible shot-selection.

My preference would be to move him on draft night (maybe for pick in the late teens or early 20s) for a specific selection where a player the Knicks think fits the system is sitting -- preferably a young PG.

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2/26/2015  11:17 AM
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Vmart wrote:Total over reaction to what we already know. I see fair amount of talent on this team that will work well with very good players around them. What you are seeing is back ups that will compliment these aren't the guys that are going to be focal point players.

We have no PG we have no 3 point shooter we have no penetrator we have no shot blocker. Sure Jason Smith can play next to Tim Duncan--I can see that. We have some fringe players but not many.

It basically comes down to this Briggs and there really are no other routes other than trading Melo is a few years.

You hope to land Towns or Okafor --- at that point you have 2 legit pieces in the new rookie and Melo. You then go get 2 solid FA pieces that will start...that gives you 4 potential starters -- 3 at least that have some star potential.

Then the other guys that are playing now -- the Calderons, Galloways, J-Smiths --- start to look better because they are just fitting in. You also have potential vet minimum signings to fill in with around your 4 core players.

Biggest issue is NOT having our 2016 pick right now and fact that both Hardaway and Early look like stiffs.

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2/26/2015  11:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2015  11:35 AM
Briggs you are one of the best posters on this site. It urks me to no end that you would start a thread like this.

Yes we suck. We don't have players. That's what makes this team a lottery team. This is a thread that some of these new posters make not an OG like you Briggs

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2/26/2015  11:31 AM
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nixluva wrote:Shved looked good, he's still getting acclimated and besides what did we expect him to do? We give other players a month to get the hang of the Triangle and expect him to just come in and ball? Let's have some perspective.

This is about letting guys play and try to develop. It's not like snapping your finger and all of a sudden guys just jump levels. Bargs has barely played in over a season. It's gonna take him time to get his game back too. I really think this is an example of the impatience and unreasonable attitudes of NY fans. We're headed to the lottery people CALM THE F DOWN!!! JESUS!!!

Why are people still complaining about losing when they know we don't have the talent and guys are developing? Let's just hope the pong pong balls fall our way and we get that top 3 pick.

who are we developing? they all suck, and getting worse by the game.

You're responding to a guy who couldn't STFU about how good a player Calderon really is, just give it time. Replete with all kinds of career stats. Meanwhile, Calderon sucks big time and this clown can't stop telling people off. And some here wonder why I'm beating up on this guy? He has no respect for logic or other posters. They are not an optimist. They are a goon whose default position is to always support everything Dolan does. Nix is insane.

Nix means well, but I'm just baffled at how he keeps saying were developing players who have no shot at being here next season, or may not even be in the NBA.

But anyone who think fisher is suffering strictly because of the roster, is in for a rude awakening come next season. He is the worst coach i have ever seen in my life.. on any level.

On any level? That's garbage dude. You just ****ing with cats now to see how made you can make them.

As far as a head coach, the dude sucks soooooooooooo bad, but as an assistant, I'm all for it.

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2/26/2015  11:34 AM
EnySpree wrote:Briggs you are one of the best posters on this site. It urns me to no end that you would start a thread like this.

Yes we suck. We don't have players. That's what makes this team a lottery team. This is a thread that some 9f these new posters make not an OG like you Briggs

Briggs won't surpess how he feels. It would make him a phony

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2/26/2015  11:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2015  11:48 AM
Splat is being a but to harsh but my guess is he's lashing out at the people who went after him when he was posting last time. When he first started posting he was very fair and open minded. This is happens when a place becomes toxic. Just keep it to basketball and everything will be fine
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2/26/2015  11:43 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
blkexec wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Good! Thank god! The 8th seed is the worst. I'd rather stink to high hell then get that garbage. I'd literally drive the tank if it was an option.

Drive the tank...and get pick #4...lol

What would you do then....kill yourself?

I've been trying to say this for a while now. We are heading back to the same point next year, the way this is going. Just to watch Toronto or Denver get our high pick.

We are depending on a rookie GM, rookie Coach and a rookie top 4 pick (maybe OK4 who fits right in with our lack of defense) to turn this ship around....Oh, don't forget the owner who will fold to all this negative energy from fans, media, endorsements.....This is why NYC is not good at tanking. Fans analyze every single inch, even when the plan is clear as day.....I feel sorry for the knick fans that continue to watch and cry themselves to sleep every night....lol

Brace yourself knick fans...It's not looking good right now....

Do exactly what everybody else would do when a plane is about to crash.

PUT YOU HEAD BETWEEN YOUR LEGS.....AND PRAY FOR A MIRACLE!

Nope--the plan right now is to assemble a base core out of the roster we have. The problem is most of the guys are brutal especially on the D and inconsistent on the O. Were going to get a top 4 pick--thats a lock of a guarantee. There is no plan there it was already happening.

That is one of the most ridiculous things you have ever said. A base core out of this group??? C'mon. At this point Phil is trying to find some complimentary pieces for the future, not a core. Briggs, do you have OCD? Every day a new thread on how bad Calderone is and lets get rid of him. what do you want the Knicks to do? Cut him tomorrow. Calderone is much better than he has shown. Maybe with better player, maybe on another team. at this point we don't need his slot or his money. Lets see how the off season goes. Maybe the Knicks trade him, maybe he comes back hopefully as a back up. Agreed the Knicks need a starting pg but there is no rush at this point to get rid of Calderone.

Watched part of the Rockets game and Prigs looked pretty good out there, did a good job of finding teammates, had the highest +/- on the team. Maybe Calderon will also play better with better players. I would still like to draft or find an upgrade at PG because of Calderon's age, bring Calderon off the bench if he's here next season.

Thats why when ppl say fishers not the problem, i want to bang my head on the wall, through a glass plate.

When other players got to other teams and have great success, there is to two issues to look at, the coaching, and the system.

Why is that so hard to comprehend. Pat Riley didn't try to turn the knicks into the "show time" lakers, simply because he didn't have that kind of talent.

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2/26/2015  12:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2015  12:14 PM
EnySpree wrote:Briggs you are one of the best posters on this site. It urks me to no end that you would start a thread like this.

Yes we suck. We don't have players. That's what makes this team a lottery team. This is a thread that some of these new posters make not an OG like you Briggs

Thank you..I thought it was just me. I used to get on Briggs all the time from day 1....but i backed off cause i know he means well. But this thread is bringing back those feelings i had b4. So I'll say the same things ive said whenever i started my 1st post in 04.

If this team is causing so much negativity....leave and close the door on your way out. I always blamed Dolan for this mess....along with the media....But some of these near sighted fans should share the same blame. They want to tank....but they also want all the bestplayers while in tank mode.

They kill the only positive light that shines in the dark....and attack anybody that doesnt want to solk all day about the past. It was annoying since i first signed on.....Now its just commical.

If it wasnt for social forums like these....majority of these jackoffs wouldnt have a personality. I would love to see all of us get together in person and actually read our own post to each other...in person. The conversation might be more valuable....just my 2 cents.

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2/26/2015  12:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2015  12:30 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I mean we really sck. Please Phil--if you do one thing right--get rid of Jose Calderon--please. The whole team scks--I mean there is not one player you really can count on---I think our best player might be Admundson who's been waived more times than a flag on Independence Day. Tim Hardaway is dumb as a board. Bargnani scks--why are we wasting time on this Shevyd--another non athletic player who has no chance to guard NBA players? Why waste time on these guys????

Galloway is the best player on the squad right now -- simply because he defends very well, is tough, smart and can make a shot.

He's limited in size/stature but that kid has a tremendous heart --- reminds me of Fisher quite a bit. Would love to see him with 4 other very good players around him.
For example - he'd look very nice playing next to either Towns/Okafor because he's intelligent and he understands general movement, spacing and the triangle.

Galloway would excel in the p-n-r, which of course, we run never.

From his final year at SJU -

"According to Synergy Sports Technology, Galloway has become a better spot-up shooter, scoring 1.4 points per spot up (as compared to 1.00 in 2013), and his perimeter accuracy has helped strengthen his overall game, specifically in pick and roll action. More than 20 percent of Galloway’s possession finish with a P&R possession, an significant uptick from his junior year (12 percent), and his decision making once he clears the pick is much improved, scoring more than one point when he dribbles into a jump shot."

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2/26/2015  12:29 PM
blkexec wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Briggs you are one of the best posters on this site. It urks me to no end that you would start a thread like this.

Yes we suck. We don't have players. That's what makes this team a lottery team. This is a thread that some of these new posters make not an OG like you Briggs

Thank you..I thought it was just me. I used to get on Briggs all the time from day 1....but i backed off cause i know he means well. But this thread is bringing back those feelings i had b4. So I'll say the same things ive said whenever i started my 1st post in 04.

If this team is causing so much negativity....leave and close the door on your way out. I always blamed Dolan for this mess....along with the media....But some of these near sighted fans should share the same blame. They want to tank....but they also want all the bestplayers while in tank mode.

They kill the only positive light that shines in the dark....and attack anybody that doesnt want to solk all day about the past. It was annoying since i first signed on.....Now its just commical.

If it wasnt for social forums like these....majority of these jackoffs wouldnt have a personality. I would love to see all of us get together in person and actually read our own post to each other...in person. The conversation might be more valuable....just my 2 cents.

1 step better: we all are forced to show up at the bricks and play in a one on one tournament to the death. Or knee failure.

martin/Andrew, please finally make this happen, by whatever means necessary. You have the IP's and people's exact GPS locations. Use the force.

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2/26/2015  12:29 PM
blkexec wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Briggs you are one of the best posters on this site. It urks me to no end that you would start a thread like this.

Yes we suck. We don't have players. That's what makes this team a lottery team. This is a thread that some of these new posters make not an OG like you Briggs

Thank you..I thought it was just me. I used to get on Briggs all the time from day 1....but i backed off cause i know he means well. But this thread is bringing back those feelings i had b4. So I'll say the same things ive said whenever i started my 1st post in 04.

If this team is causing so much negativity....leave and close the door on your way out. I always blamed Dolan for this mess....along with the media....But some of these near sighted fans should share the same blame. They want to tank....but they also want all the bestplayers while in tank mode.

They kill the only positive light that shines in the dark....and attack anybody that doesnt want to solk all day about the past. It was annoying since i first signed on.....Now its just commical.

If it wasnt for social forums like these....majority of these jackoffs wouldnt have a personality. I would love to see all of us get together in person and actually read our own post to each other...in person. The conversation might be more valuable....just my 2 cents.

Dude I'm about to start a thread on the subject right now

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2/26/2015  12:48 PM
Phil is out tanking Philly... at least we're good at something
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2/26/2015  12:56 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:Phil is out tanking Philly... at least we're good at something

I still can't get past how Mr. Cap space traded Felton with 1 yr 3.7 left for Calderon with 2yr's 14.2M left on his contract and didn't get a 1st rd pick for Chandler. This isn't a tank, it's a fail.

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2/26/2015  1:29 PM
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nixluva wrote:Shved looked good, he's still getting acclimated and besides what did we expect him to do? We give other players a month to get the hang of the Triangle and expect him to just come in and ball? Let's have some perspective.

This is about letting guys play and try to develop. It's not like snapping your finger and all of a sudden guys just jump levels. Bargs has barely played in over a season. It's gonna take him time to get his game back too. I really think this is an example of the impatience and unreasonable attitudes of NY fans. We're headed to the lottery people CALM THE F DOWN!!! JESUS!!!

Why are people still complaining about losing when they know we don't have the talent and guys are developing? Let's just hope the pong pong balls fall our way and we get that top 3 pick.

who are we developing? they all suck, and getting worse by the game.

You're responding to a guy who couldn't STFU about how good a player Calderon really is, just give it time. Replete with all kinds of career stats. Meanwhile, Calderon sucks big time and this clown can't stop telling people off. And some here wonder why I'm beating up on this guy? He has no respect for logic or other posters. They are not an optimist. They are a goon whose default position is to always support everything Dolan does. Nix is insane.

Nix means well, but I'm just baffled at how he keeps saying were developing players who have no shot at being here next season, or may not even be in the NBA.

But anyone who think fisher is suffering strictly because of the roster, is in for a rude awakening come next season. He is the worst coach i have ever seen in my life.. on any level.

I don't agree. He's the only one here who does this constantly:

STOP IT!!!!!!!!!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!

It's ridiculous. Constantly.

Everyone is entitled to their meltdowns, but this guy is hysterical and nonsensical non-stop.

I'd think he's only mentally ill, but his obvious readiness to paint every single move made by this organization as some kind of genius move is incredibly toxic. He is a corporate lobbyist for James Dolan AFAIK. And for that reason, he can take my heat, because he does nothing to not earn it.

As for Fish, he just isn't a coach. He needed to be an assistant and learn from real coaches first.

And that is what I've been saying this week:

Phil who has no GM experience gave a 5 year deal to a coach with zero coaching experience. And Phil expected that to work? Phil is full of himself. His arrogance is gross and I've totally turned against him because everything he says and does shows he is a prima donna who thinks his chit doesn't stink.

Phil don't know Jack about building a club. His mind games won't work here.

People are totally underestimating how bad Phil has been and how little evidence there is he will improve his ways. To think people are able to say Jax has vision or there is a solid plan is just absurd.

Jax is making this up as he goes. Fish is a disaster too.

You either got banned or stormed out of whatever forum you used to post in before you came here, now you seem to be going about recreating the exact same situation (after already storming out and coming back). What's the point? Why don't you learn how to engage with people. You post like you're a stage or on a mission, why can't you just turn it down a bit and just disagree with people instead of trying to turn everyone against them? You might be wrong, I might be wrong, and we will switch between the two- it's not a big deal (at least to me). Why do you have to catastrophize everything? All you do end up doing is either alienating people when you go to far with the abuse and insults, or you end up getting yourself so worked up you storm off- it can't be rewarding.

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2/26/2015  1:30 PM
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SupremeCommander wrote:Phil is out tanking Philly... at least we're good at something

I still can't get past how Mr. Cap space traded Felton with 1 yr 3.7 left for Calderon with 2yr's 14.2M left on his contract and didn't get a 1st rd pick for Chandler. This isn't a tank, it's a fail.

Rook, could the answer be that getting rid of FluCancerTyson and the Worst Point Guard in The Solar System meant he had to pay for the dumpage by taking Calderone's contract?

A first round pick for Tyson? How exactly did his stock get that high during the off season, well before things such as Moz were being related to 1st round picks?

You rarely get someone to take your garbage away for free. Thank the puking gods we got some kind of picks at all instead of giving them up to get rid of the two of them.

We s*ck

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