Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Didn't Denver have to give Philly a pick to dump McGee?

Yeah but not three picks. Lee is a 2 time all star and much better than McGee too.

semantics

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This whole monologue makes not one bit of sense--like you dont think before you post it.
....

... In terms of business the best case scenario is to find a club with full cap space and offer assets to take the player.

....What GS can do is draft a player this year at 30 and offer up a 2019 with less protection--probably top 10 protected and I would add a 2nd rounder in 2016.

.....My price to do it stays the same 2 1's and a number 2 or zero.....

....By the way Knicks fans--free agency took a HUGE hit most of the players that we mightve wanted are now gone.....

Wait, which part doesn't make sense, the part where I point out that you suggested AN ILLEGAL TRADE ACCORDING TO THE NBA COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT in place, then pointed out how mind boggled I am that you then started mocking other members here who questioned your trade rape scenario?

You still haven't addressed the issue that even if GS was going to move David Lee, that there are THIRTY OTHER TEAMS BESIDES THE KNICKS that they could deal with, and yes, even possibly get a better deal than your 3 Pick Or Else scenario.

The GS Warriors DON'T HAVE A 2016 2nd ROUND PICK, that pick was traded also in the Biedrins/Jefferson trade. Thank you again for suggesting another trade THAT CAN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

You still refuse to answer the question, who are the Knicks sending out to offset David Lee's salary in 2015 of 15.5. Because any trade scenario this offseason will REQUIRE THAT JOSE CALDERON BE TRADED. And guess what? NO ONE WANTS JOSE CALDERON AND HIS NEXT TWO YEARS AT 7.4 and 7.7. The same Jose Calderon that you DEMANDED THE KNICKS USE THE STRETCH PROVISION ON. If you don't even want Calderon on the roster, why would anyone else? Esp since Phil Jackson has made it no secret that he's been trying to dump Calderon since he first got him.

Not only that, you can't you come up with a trade scenario where the other team doesn't get it's entire front office fired because it's so lopsided, you can't even, with multiple tries, come up with a basic trade rape situation where the trade is actual POSSIBLE AND LEGAL.

You also seem to ignore the part where the Knicks ALREADY HAVE A HIGHLY PAID POWER FORWARD WHO CAN'T PLAY DEFENSE. Again, where is David Lee going to play? Center? Or you want Melo chasing younger and speedier wings all day long?

Free agency didn't take a hit Briggs, what takes a hit is your idea that you should try to project the NBA Draft before March Madness and free agency before the NBA trade deadline. But I do enjoy how you stick your finger out at others who won't make your far reaching Zen like projections.

Ask yourself this Briggs, what "makes not one bit of sense" here...

The guy saying YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY PROPOSE A LEGAL TRADE and that pesky little issue like team fit, defense and actually considering what the other team needs besides luxury tax relief matters.

Or the guy who WILL NEED AT LEAST THREE TRIES TO SUGGEST A LEGAL TRADE TO FULFILL HIS DESIRE TO FIREBOMB SOME OTHER FRANCHISE WITH A LOPSIDED TRANSACTION THAT WILL GET A NON KNICKS TEAM'S FRONT OFFICE FIRED.

Exactly what is illegal about
Player picked at 30 by golden state
A 2019 pick restricted to 10
A 2016 2nd round pick

Absolutely legal

Who are we spending 30mm on in free agency Right were not we can't A trade like this would make a lot of sense of Philly is not interested.

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Didn't Denver have to give Philly a pick to dump McGee?

Yeah but not three picks. Lee is a 2 time all star and much better than McGee too.

The reason I posted that was TripleThreat posted Denver received a pick for McGee...Or maybe I misread.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Didn't Denver have to give Philly a pick to dump McGee?

Yeah but not three picks. Lee is a 2 time all star and much better than McGee too.

Bonn and anyone else. Just like McGhee what d Lee can bring to th e table has no meaning it's pure business for gs they do not want money coming back from this their prize is the ability to resign d green and not pay 45mms extra to do so. Name 3 teams with the ability to trade for Lee who would take his 1 yr and nearly 16mms for simply nothing. And remember vs does not want salary back

What do you mean "for simply nothing"? This trade can't be done until the off-season obviously, and the salaries have to match with in 25%. So at most, you can save GS a couple mil if you make the salaries barely match. You could trade an expiring contract of around 13 mil for Lee's 15 mil. You're not getting 3 draft picks for doing that though!

Bonn take your head out of your tukus. We have the cap space to absorb his contract

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Didn't Denver have to give Philly a pick to dump McGee?

Yeah but not three picks. Lee is a 2 time all star and much better than McGee too.

Bonn and anyone else. Just like McGhee what d Lee can bring to th e table has no meaning it's pure business for gs they do not want money coming back from this their prize is the ability to resign d green and not pay 45mms extra to do so. Name 3 teams with the ability to trade for Lee who would take his 1 yr and nearly 16mms for simply nothing. And remember vs does not want salary back

What do you mean "for simply nothing"? This trade can't be done until the off-season obviously, and the salaries have to match with in 25%. So at most, you can save GS a couple mil if you make the salaries barely match. You could trade an expiring contract of around 13 mil for Lee's 15 mil. You're not getting 3 draft picks for doing that though!

WHy would the salaries have to match when the Knicks will be under the cap?

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Didn't Denver have to give Philly a pick to dump McGee?

Yeah but not three picks. Lee is a 2 time all star and much better than McGee too.

Bonn and anyone else. Just like McGhee what d Lee can bring to th e table has no meaning it's pure business for gs they do not want money coming back from this their prize is the ability to resign d green and not pay 45mms extra to do so. Name 3 teams with the ability to trade for Lee who would take his 1 yr and nearly 16mms for simply nothing. And remember vs does not want salary back

What do you mean "for simply nothing"? This trade can't be done until the off-season obviously, and the salaries have to match with in 25%. So at most, you can save GS a couple mil if you make the salaries barely match. You could trade an expiring contract of around 13 mil for Lee's 15 mil. You're not getting 3 draft picks for doing that though!

Bonn take your head out of your tukus. We have the cap space to absorb his contract

I may have misread Triplethreat on that point. I thought he was saying both teams have to be under the cap to do that. Either way, a team will get less for absorbing the contract of someone playing at a fairly high level (like Lee) than for absorbing the contract of McGee or Lin. If absorbing those guys' full contracts yields 1 1st round pick, an early 2nd round pick might be comparable for Lee.

One could argue that when Lin was traded he too was also playing at a fairly high level. You also have to throw in the age and injury factor.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Didn't Denver have to give Philly a pick to dump McGee?

Yeah but not three picks. Lee is a 2 time all star and much better than McGee too.

Bonn and anyone else. Just like McGhee what d Lee can bring to th e table has no meaning it's pure business for gs they do not want money coming back from this their prize is the ability to resign d green and not pay 45mms extra to do so. Name 3 teams with the ability to trade for Lee who would take his 1 yr and nearly 16mms for simply nothing. And remember vs does not want salary back

What do you mean "for simply nothing"? This trade can't be done until the off-season obviously, and the salaries have to match with in 25%. So at most, you can save GS a couple mil if you make the salaries barely match. You could trade an expiring contract of around 13 mil for Lee's 15 mil. You're not getting 3 draft picks for doing that though!

Bonn take your head out of your tukus. We have the cap space to absorb his contract

I may have misread Triplethreat on that point. I thought he was saying both teams have to be under the cap to do that. Either way, a team will get less for absorbing the contract of someone playing at a fairly high level (like Lee) than for absorbing the contract of McGee or Lin. If absorbing those guys' full contracts yields 1 1st round pick, an early 2nd round pick might be comparable for Lee.

One could argue that when Lin was traded he too was also playing at a fairly high level. You also have to throw in the age and injury factor.

But high level for Lin is not borderline all-star for a full season of play like it is for Lee. If you look at any of their advanced stats or even per 36 min stats, it's really not close. And if all we're getting is 1 late 1st round pick, I wouldn't do the deal, at least not until late free agency and if we've missed out on better players.

After some clarity on the trade guidelines, I agree. Lee just takes up too much salary. Now if the knicks got rid of Calderon before they traded for Lee or included him in a 3team deal then I would consider it more.

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Didn't Denver have to give Philly a pick to dump McGee?

Yeah but not three picks. Lee is a 2 time all star and much better than McGee too.

Bonn and anyone else. Just like McGhee what d Lee can bring to th e table has no meaning it's pure business for gs they do not want money coming back from this their prize is the ability to resign d green and not pay 45mms extra to do so. Name 3 teams with the ability to trade for Lee who would take his 1 yr and nearly 16mms for simply nothing. And remember vs does not want salary back

What do you mean "for simply nothing"? This trade can't be done until the off-season obviously, and the salaries have to match with in 25%. So at most, you can save GS a couple mil if you make the salaries barely match. You could trade an expiring contract of around 13 mil for Lee's 15 mil. You're not getting 3 draft picks for doing that though!

Bonn take your head out of your tukus. We have the cap space to absorb his contract

I may have misread Triplethreat on that point. I thought he was saying both teams have to be under the cap to do that. Either way, a team will get less for absorbing the contract of someone playing at a fairly high level (like Lee) than for absorbing the contract of McGee or Lin. If absorbing those guys' full contracts yields 1 1st round pick, an early 2nd round pick might be comparable for Lee.

One could argue that when Lin was traded he too was also playing at a fairly high level. You also have to throw in the age and injury factor.

But high level for Lin is not borderline all-star for a full season of play like it is for Lee. If you look at any of their advanced stats or even per 36 min stats, it's really not close. And if all we're getting is 1 late 1st round pick, I wouldn't do the deal, at least not until late free agency and if we've missed out on better players.

After some clarity on the trade guidelines, I agree. Lee just takes up too much salary. Now if the knicks got rid of Calderon before they traded for Lee or included him in a 3team deal then I would consider it more.

We don't need to trade Calderon. Calderon is nothing to this team. If we waive and stretch his contract we gain 5mm in cap space.And while we will not(I hope) spend the sum on 2nd tier players we have an adequate stash to be smart players in free agency while retaining the flexibility to be opportunistic going 4ward

Briggs if you are going to be so concerned about cap space, please do not point it on Calderon, point it at CA's contract who will make more than 4x than Calderon
Everything that you talk about Calderon as weakness's, it applies to CA as well

Stretching Calderon blindly in hopes of possibly using cap space, not knowing if players will even want to come over would be a retarded move
If we have a deal in place like we did with Tyson Chandler before we amenestied Billups and had to move Turiaf to acquire Tyson Chandler, then let it be...

I do not care how rich you are because you will not want to give away 3years of 23million away without a game plan in place of it

Stretching Calderon next season would be
2years + 2 years + 1 year = 5years divided by his contract of

$7,402,812
$7,708,427

$15,111,239

$3,022,248 of cap hold each year for 5 years

$7,402,812 - $3,022,239 = a bit over 4m to spend and I think Calderon is at least worth about 2-3m for what he brings to the table
If we keep him, we still have the possiblity to trade him in the future and use his contract to add up salaries, especially with the 150% rule back in use...
Novak just got traded and both times he had a positive sum, who knows what Calderon's trade value will be 1-2years later, it surely will not be as bad as it is now
Most importantly, that 3m in years 4 and 5 could be the difference in acquiring a high talent player, we do not know what will happen... it isn't worth it

If CA didn't opt out, we have his bird rights, and we were going to rebuild through FA's and this draft pick, then I totally see your point, but not the way things of currently panned out
It just doesn't make any sense, I am not stretching Calderon just to being able to pay a max to a player that doesn't deserve it, and with no plan in place that is what your are forcing the hand to be...