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Bonn1997
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2/21/2015  6:26 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:That's the problem people here are more focused on certain posters than what is actually going on with the Knicks

im focused on people saying stupid things. if its the same people over and over again, then the shoe fits.


You should go back to the season win prediction threads and the threads after the Tyson trade then. You'll find a lot of material.
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2/21/2015  7:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2015  8:44 AM
Pretty sure is calling me an idiot since we never agree. Like Our thoughts on Mozgov and Melo holding out for the Allstar game and his brand but whatever. To me it's all a deflection on the really has gone on with this team and Melo. If people refuse to see how foolish this whole thing is with Melo it's their perogative. They have the rights to their opinions.

I just don't understood how a few people log on to this site to specifically go after posters. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates a toxic environment

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2/21/2015  7:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2015  8:39 AM
As for Early I guess 18 & 11 in the dleague translates to 2pts, 1reb 1-7 FG in 23mins in the pros.

Let's face it the Tyson trade has been a disaster. Bringing up how I felt about the trade when it happens chsnged nothing.

Since Phil is learning on the job I am hopeful that he will get better at doing his job. I just think it's stupid that he is relying on guys like Mills, Gabriel and Warkenstien. All guys who have failed in the past. I'm shocked Phil hasn't brought in his own people but then again that's kind of impossible with an owner like Dolan. There's got to be a an upcoming and coming young GM who understands today's nba and his to get value something of value in trades.

Galloway looks like a player. Early ehh

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2/21/2015  8:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2015  8:14 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Pretty sure is calling me an idiot since we never agree. Like Our thoughts on Mozgov and Melo holding out for the Allstar game and his brand but whatever. To me it's all a deflection on the really has gone on with this team and Melo. If people refuse to see how foolish this whole thing is with Melo than that's on them. They have the rights to their opinions.

I just don't understood how a few people log on to this site to specifically go after posters. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates a toxic environment


Yeah, I got that but I'm trying to point him towards comments that actually do reflect poor judgment. (I'll refrain from using a term like idiot or stupid.) He may be surprised which posters the comments came from and which (like you) they did not.
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2/21/2015  8:16 AM
The Tyson trade hasn't looked good, Phil thought that Calderon would have a bigger impact. As for the assets, Larkin was a first rd pick the yr before and we acquired 2 2nd round picks #34 & #51 which is pretty much the value of a late first rounder.

But Phil knew he wasn't going to keep Larkin so he should have held out for a future draft pick rather then take Larkin.

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2/21/2015  8:33 AM
Tyson playing better with Rondo, Ellis, Dirk, and Parsons then with melo, felton, Shump, JR and rehabbing Stat.

Seems this is pretty freaking simple to me. Tyson went to a better team than the one he left.

Those disappointed in Phil had expectations not rooted properly.

Id rather blow it up then the sloppy patchwork of the past. THATS WHAT GOT US HERE! LOWREY WOULD NOT MAKE US CONTENDERS.

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2/21/2015  9:48 AM
^No one has been calling to blow this thing up more than me. That went out the window once we maxed out an injured Melo at $124mil
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2/21/2015  11:04 AM
gunsnewing wrote:^No one has been calling to blow this thing up more than me. That went out the window once we maxed out an injured Melo at $124mil

what defines melo as injured before this knee injury? would you say whatever team signs lamarcus aldridge this offseason is signing an injured player because he has the issue with his hand? that doesn't make any sense to me.

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2/21/2015  1:16 PM
gunsnewing wrote:^No one has been calling to blow this thing up more than me. That went out the window once we maxed out an injured Melo at $124mil

You are all over the place. Pick a side and stick to it.

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2/21/2015  1:17 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pretty sure is calling me an idiot since we never agree. Like Our thoughts on Mozgov and Melo holding out for the Allstar game and his brand but whatever. To me it's all a deflection on the really has gone on with this team and Melo. If people refuse to see how foolish this whole thing is with Melo than that's on them. They have the rights to their opinions.

I just don't understood how a few people log on to this site to specifically go after posters. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates a toxic environment


Yeah, I got that but I'm trying to point him towards comments that actually do reflect poor judgment. (I'll refrain from using a term like idiot or stupid.) He may be surprised which posters the comments came from and which (like you) they did not.

Do you sleep with the cape on as well or do you just put it on before logging on to this site?

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2/21/2015  1:28 PM
My only comment on the Melo signing: I think we overpaid given our circumstances and lack of supporting cast. PJ made a mistake giving him a no-trade clause, because we are then locked in. That said, I don't know what the bargaining position was. I do not and will never have all those facts. You cannot second guess a negotiation if you don't know the positions.

The key counterargument is this: assume in bizarro world PJ allows Melo to walk for nothing. What is the argument then? Melo says, either you re-sign me at the max or I sign somewhere else on the 1+1 deal like Lebron and wait for the 2016 licensing deal to play out. We let him walk and he signs in Chicago for 1+1. How does the media portray this?

IMO, no need to rehash. Melo is your only core piece. Build around him.

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2/21/2015  1:30 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Pretty sure is calling me an idiot since we never agree. Like Our thoughts on Mozgov and Melo holding out for the Allstar game and his brand but whatever. To me it's all a deflection on the really has gone on with this team and Melo. If people refuse to see how foolish this whole thing is with Melo it's their perogative. They have the rights to their opinions.

I just don't understood how a few people log on to this site to specifically go after posters. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates a toxic environment

and for the record bro - pretty disappointed in this statement from you. no one is picking on you. if i don't agree with you, i'm going to say so. if this environment is too "toxic" for you, maybe you need to take another sabbatical from the site. check your txt messages, i sent you.

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2/21/2015  1:34 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pretty sure is calling me an idiot since we never agree. Like Our thoughts on Mozgov and Melo holding out for the Allstar game and his brand but whatever. To me it's all a deflection on the really has gone on with this team and Melo. If people refuse to see how foolish this whole thing is with Melo than that's on them. They have the rights to their opinions.

I just don't understood how a few people log on to this site to specifically go after posters. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates a toxic environment


Yeah, I got that but I'm trying to point him towards comments that actually do reflect poor judgment. (I'll refrain from using a term like idiot or stupid.) He may be surprised which posters the comments came from and which (like you) they did not.

Do you sleep with the cape on as well or do you just put it on before logging on to this site?


That cape only seems to be put to use for those who also dislike Melo which I think is pretty telling.
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2/21/2015  1:35 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:My only comment on the Melo signing: I think we overpaid given our circumstances and lack of supporting cast. PJ made a mistake giving him a no-trade clause, because we are then locked in. That said, I don't know what the bargaining position was. I do not and will never have all those facts. You cannot second guess a negotiation if you don't know the positions.

The key counterargument is this: assume in bizarro world PJ allows Melo to walk for nothing. What is the argument then? Melo says, either you re-sign me at the max or I sign somewhere else on the 1+1 deal like Lebron and wait for the 2016 licensing deal to play out. We let him walk and he signs in Chicago for 1+1. How does the media portray this?

IMO, no need to rehash. Melo is your only core piece. Build around him.


+1 completely agree
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2/21/2015  1:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2015  1:53 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pretty sure is calling me an idiot since we never agree. Like Our thoughts on Mozgov and Melo holding out for the Allstar game and his brand but whatever. To me it's all a deflection on the really has gone on with this team and Melo. If people refuse to see how foolish this whole thing is with Melo than that's on them. They have the rights to their opinions.

I just don't understood how a few people log on to this site to specifically go after posters. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates a toxic environment


Yeah, I got that but I'm trying to point him towards comments that actually do reflect poor judgment. (I'll refrain from using a term like idiot or stupid.) He may be surprised which posters the comments came from and which (like you) they did not.

Do you sleep with the cape on as well or do you just put it on before logging on to this site?


I assume you're asking NYK4ever and accidentally quoting me since he's the one who was calling posters here stupid for being wrong (or at least wrong in his view).
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2/21/2015  2:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2015  2:05 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pretty sure is calling me an idiot since we never agree. Like Our thoughts on Mozgov and Melo holding out for the Allstar game and his brand but whatever. To me it's all a deflection on the really has gone on with this team and Melo. If people refuse to see how foolish this whole thing is with Melo than that's on them. They have the rights to their opinions.

I just don't understood how a few people log on to this site to specifically go after posters. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates a toxic environment


Yeah, I got that but I'm trying to point him towards comments that actually do reflect poor judgment. (I'll refrain from using a term like idiot or stupid.) He may be surprised which posters the comments came from and which (like you) they did not.

Do you sleep with the cape on as well or do you just put it on before logging on to this site?


I assume you're asking NYK4ever and accidentally quoting me since he's the one who was calling posters here stupid for being wrong (or at least wrong in his view).

no he was definitely talking to you. typical bonn. i never called anyone stupid, if you look back i said "posters saying stupid things." good try though bonny.

you are in no position to be making ANY assumptions.

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2/21/2015  2:17 PM
The Knick's were a poorly assembled team and collection of BIG names that did not compliment each other, in addition to the injuries of our big name players
Like JR Smith and Iman Shumpert, Tyson Chandler was simply a poor fit for the system in addition to the fit of the team assembled

Especially Tyson Chandler for the Triangle with NO true PF/C to compliment him and without the defensive/HIGH IQ/2 way players to fit in with what Tyson brings
With that said, it begs the question if we could have gotten more for Tyson Chandler, assuming we would have stunk with or without him
Change was needed for Chandler's career just like it was good for JR Smith and Iman Shumpert
He was likely going to be unhappy here, however, we have no leverage as teams simply were unlikelyl to give us much for Chandler who is 32 years of age and is an expiring
Lets not forget Felton was a negative contract and the trade also gave us the draft rights to both Early and Thanasis (who could be a big part of our future moving forward)
How both Early and Thanasis will develop is unknown but I said during the draft that Thanasis has the higher upside and still currently believe so

If Thanasis does develop in to a lock down defender with the ability to defend 2-3 positions, and continues to develop his 3pt shot *which has improved much already*, I believe the trade would be a postive one
Thanasis has a great NBA body, has great work ethic, and has the NY toughnesss/defensive mentality, he will be on a cheap contract and I hope we do not call him up this season so we can sign him to a 3year deal with cap space/exemptions that are is 3years instead of the 2years as a late 2nd rounder
I see Galloway has a team option for 2 more years after this season for the minimum
Now if we can do the same for Thanasis, I do not mind bringing him in this season however, for the benefit of the team, I think we are best to keep him in the D League and have him under a cheap contract for more years so we can spend in the future on other positions
In 2016/17 while Thanasis will still be in his rookie contract, we can possiblity have the cap space to lure Durant/Noah and many other FA's that will take advantage of the rise of cap space with a new CBA deal
Lebron is doing exactly that and many other players/talents will do that as well

Now Calderon has not had a good year but he also doesn't have much talent around him to work with, Yes he is overpaid
He should be best utilized as a spot starter or backup who brings some leadership and should be playing as the 2nd ball handler/penetrator
While he also has not had a good year shooting the ball, his ability to shoot the ball, hit high FT%, control tempo of the game, and has the possiblity to mentor a future PG like Galloway/DeAngello Russel
Unlike most other PG's, he has never relied on his physical abilities to play at a NBA level so he could likely continue his contributions throughout the rest of his contract
A shooter of his caliber would simply demand anywhere from 3-5m alone while he brings more to the table
He will never be a good defender but he has had an effect from everywhere he has gone from Toronto, Detroit, and Dallas
As we continue to add the talent needed to execute the system and some young prospects in which he will help develop, he will have a positive effect on our roster

If anything, both Phil Jackson and Fisher should have slowly incorporated the Triangle this season, as many players on this roster will not be part of our roster in the future
Kerr was smart enough to take philosophies of all systems that work and apply it to the strengths of his team
The Triangle takes time to execute and we simply do not have enough experience players that know how to execute it as EVERY player must fully understand the system to execute the system
We should have tweaked it and ran mroe PnR, traditional basketball, with the shooters we had, and raised their trade value that way
In stead we chose to run a system with many players over the age of 30 and it is too hard to break habits formeed throughout the careers

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2/21/2015  3:21 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:^No one has been calling to blow this thing up more than me. That went out the window once we maxed out an injured Melo at $124mil

You are all over the place. Pick a side and stick to it.

What do you mean pick a side? Pick a side and argue it Eventhough you don't believe what you are arguing? Now I understand how this works and why some of these arguments are so ridiculous

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2/21/2015  3:25 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pretty sure is calling me an idiot since we never agree. Like Our thoughts on Mozgov and Melo holding out for the Allstar game and his brand but whatever. To me it's all a deflection on the really has gone on with this team and Melo. If people refuse to see how foolish this whole thing is with Melo it's their perogative. They have the rights to their opinions.

I just don't understood how a few people log on to this site to specifically go after posters. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates a toxic environment

and for the record bro - pretty disappointed in this statement from you. no one is picking on you. if i don't agree with you, i'm going to say so. if this environment is too "toxic" for you, maybe you need to take another sabbatical from the site. check your txt messages, i sent you.

I'm mainly talking about one person and he knows who he is

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2/21/2015  5:18 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pretty sure is calling me an idiot since we never agree. Like Our thoughts on Mozgov and Melo holding out for the Allstar game and his brand but whatever. To me it's all a deflection on the really has gone on with this team and Melo. If people refuse to see how foolish this whole thing is with Melo it's their perogative. They have the rights to their opinions.

I just don't understood how a few people log on to this site to specifically go after posters. It adds nothing to the discussion and creates a toxic environment

and for the record bro - pretty disappointed in this statement from you. no one is picking on you. if i don't agree with you, i'm going to say so. if this environment is too "toxic" for you, maybe you need to take another sabbatical from the site. check your txt messages, i sent you.

I'm mainly talking about one person and he knows who he is


There is a difference with not agreeing and having everyone's own opinions

Versus

Trolling, in which I think there are than 1 on this site, there are quite a lot of trolls on UK mainly of which are killing this site, the reason why I no longer even bother responding to message boards in general

I agree with Guns, I think it is quite toxic

can someone remind me...

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