nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:he's grabbing 2nd rd picks like they have value, this guy is really starting to look lost

lol you are lost. two 2nd round picks for prigionni is a good trade. the dude is almost 40 and isn't playing for us. two 2nd rounders is a great trade, you're the one who's lost.

really, the rockets are contenders, those picks will be in the 55, 56 range. Go look at how many players pick that low even made training camp, let alone a roster spot. Prigs can help any contender right now

In 2017 and 2019? Are you Nostradamus now?

Cmon dude, stop convincing yourself this was a good trade and go do your research, 2nd rnd picks end up in the d league, or overseas.

This was a "at least i did something trade"

so what are you saying? that they should have held on to prigs?

Phils moves scream of inexperience. He basically traded all his veterans to winning teams, did them all a favor, and essentially kick rocks on the fans who pay extraodinary price for seats, and fans that spend 200 bucks(like myself) for league pass.

Of course you want to keep as many veterans as you can when your grooming young talent and a young clueless coach

I really think this bashing of Phil is extremely premature. You have yet to see what he actually does with the roster for next season. Until we see that it's really hard to kill the guy when he was working with the mess they left him originally. Now he's going to have a roster that more closely reflects his philosophy. So until we see who he drafts and who he signs in FA it makes little sense to go nuts on the guy.

Exactly. Some people have literally no patience or indeed grasp on reality.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:he's grabbing 2nd rd picks like they have value, this guy is really starting to look lost

lol you are lost. two 2nd round picks for prigionni is a good trade. the dude is almost 40 and isn't playing for us. two 2nd rounders is a great trade, you're the one who's lost.

really, the rockets are contenders, those picks will be in the 55, 56 range. Go look at how many players pick that low even made training camp, let alone a roster spot. Prigs can help any contender right now

In 2017 and 2019? Are you Nostradamus now?

Cmon dude, stop convincing yourself this was a good trade and go do your research, 2nd rnd picks end up in the d league, or overseas.

This was a "at least i did something trade"

so what are you saying? that they should have held on to prigs?

Phils moves scream of inexperience. He basically traded all his veterans to winning teams, did them all a favor, and essentially kick rocks on the fans who pay extraodinary price for seats, and fans that spend 200 bucks(like myself) for league pass.

Of course you want to keep as many veterans as you can when your grooming young talent and a young clueless coach

I really think this bashing of Phil is extremely premature. You have yet to see what he actually does with the roster for next season. Until we see that it's really hard to kill the guy when he was working with the mess they left him originally. Now he's going to have a roster that more closely reflects his philosophy. So until we see who he drafts and who he signs in FA it makes little sense to go nuts on the guy.

Everybody on this roster (except for bargi and THJ) is all phil, he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season. In the process acquired a bunch of suspect players, that are far from understanding the triangle, or really good fits. He could have waited until the summer, or draft day to make trades.

He sold his stock when it was at it's lowest point, He received pennies on the dollar like a charged off account. Now we have young, loss roster, with no leadership, no guidence, no locker room presence, no clutch player. So the learning process is that much harder, and by the end of the season, your force to add 10 new players.

Dude this is looking like walsh era all over again, like I saw this movie before.

Tell me something, in the 11 months phil has been here, whats the one thing he's done thats showing you he can be the MAN. Remember he called a 54 win team clumsy.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:he's grabbing 2nd rd picks like they have value, this guy is really starting to look lost

lol you are lost. two 2nd round picks for prigionni is a good trade. the dude is almost 40 and isn't playing for us. two 2nd rounders is a great trade, you're the one who's lost.

really, the rockets are contenders, those picks will be in the 55, 56 range. Go look at how many players pick that low even made training camp, let alone a roster spot. Prigs can help any contender right now

In 2017 and 2019? Are you Nostradamus now?

Cmon dude, stop convincing yourself this was a good trade and go do your research, 2nd rnd picks end up in the d league, or overseas.

This was a "at least i did something trade"

so what are you saying? that they should have held on to prigs?

Phils moves scream of inexperience. He basically traded all his veterans to winning teams, did them all a favor, and essentially kick rocks on the fans who pay extraodinary price for seats, and fans that spend 200 bucks(like myself) for league pass.

Of course you want to keep as many veterans as you can when your grooming young talent and a young clueless coach

I really think this bashing of Phil is extremely premature. You have yet to see what he actually does with the roster for next season. Until we see that it's really hard to kill the guy when he was working with the mess they left him originally. Now he's going to have a roster that more closely reflects his philosophy. So until we see who he drafts and who he signs in FA it makes little sense to go nuts on the guy.

Everybody on this roster (except for bargi and THJ) is all phil, he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season. In the process acquired a bunch of suspect players, that are far from understanding the triangle, or really good fits. He could have waited until the summer, or draft day to make trades.

He sold his stock when it was at it's lowest point, He received pennies on the dollar like a charged off account. Now we have young, loss roster, with no leadership, no guidence, no locker room presence, no clutch player. So the learning process is that much harder, and by the end of the season, your force to add 10 new players.

Dude this is looking like walsh era all over again, like I saw this movie before.

Tell me something, in the 11 months phil has been here, whats the one thing he's done thats showing you he can be the MAN. Remember he called a 54 win team clumsy.

It's going to be a completely remade roster which is what we needed to do. So keep on talking like you don't know what's going on. Talk like you haven't seen this team establish a new system and culture from the D League to the NBA team. Act like you don't know we have a 1st rd pick and cap space to bring in new talent. Act like he hasn't added picks and prospects. You know full well that the most important moves will come this summer. It's disingenuous to act like Phil isn't actively doing things to improve this franchise.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:he's grabbing 2nd rd picks like they have value, this guy is really starting to look lost

lol you are lost. two 2nd round picks for prigionni is a good trade. the dude is almost 40 and isn't playing for us. two 2nd rounders is a great trade, you're the one who's lost.

really, the rockets are contenders, those picks will be in the 55, 56 range. Go look at how many players pick that low even made training camp, let alone a roster spot. Prigs can help any contender right now

In 2017 and 2019? Are you Nostradamus now?

Cmon dude, stop convincing yourself this was a good trade and go do your research, 2nd rnd picks end up in the d league, or overseas.

This was a "at least i did something trade"

so what are you saying? that they should have held on to prigs?

Phils moves scream of inexperience. He basically traded all his veterans to winning teams, did them all a favor, and essentially kick rocks on the fans who pay extraodinary price for seats, and fans that spend 200 bucks(like myself) for league pass.

Of course you want to keep as many veterans as you can when your grooming young talent and a young clueless coach

I really think this bashing of Phil is extremely premature. You have yet to see what he actually does with the roster for next season. Until we see that it's really hard to kill the guy when he was working with the mess they left him originally. Now he's going to have a roster that more closely reflects his philosophy. So until we see who he drafts and who he signs in FA it makes little sense to go nuts on the guy.

Everybody on this roster (except for bargi and THJ) is all phil, he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season. In the process acquired a bunch of suspect players, that are far from understanding the triangle, or really good fits. He could have waited until the summer, or draft day to make trades.

He sold his stock when it was at it's lowest point, He received pennies on the dollar like a charged off account. Now we have young, loss roster, with no leadership, no guidence, no locker room presence, no clutch player. So the learning process is that much harder, and by the end of the season, your force to add 10 new players.

Dude this is looking like walsh era all over again, like I saw this movie before.

Tell me something, in the 11 months phil has been here, whats the one thing he's done thats showing you he can be the MAN. Remember he called a 54 win team clumsy.

You're still talking like someone who just parachuted in and has no idea what the team is doing. Why are you talking like that? You know damned well what Phil is doing and this roster needed to be trashed. You're talking like a novice when you say "he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season." What are you talking about? You think this teams future would be better if Phil hadn't made changes? Look, he tried to make use of some of the holdovers and give them a chance but they didn't work. He said that he'd know all he needed to know by December and what he did was trash that team and nearly start over.

It's going to be a completely remade roster which is what we needed to do. So keep on talking like you don't know what's going on. Talk like you haven't seen this team establish a new system and culture from the D League to the NBA team. Act like you don't know we have a 1st rd pick and cap space to bring in new talent. Act like he hasn't added picks and prospects. You know full well that the most important moves will come this summer. It's disingenuous to act like Phil isn't actively doing things to improve this franchise.

you act like you don't know that he traded Tyson for calderon.

Phil has said that he failed miserably ... you act like you don't know that.

He gave the holdovers a chance which was extremely stupid ... he should have scouted or had the data about the holdovers and dumped them while they still had value.

If I took over the team when he did, I would have cleaned house the next day.

I would have traded Melo, Tyson, Shump and Timmy and would have gotten back a boatload of assets in return.

However, that is unfair to say because I knew what we had and what they were worth while he was new and had no clue????

Not pretty.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:he's grabbing 2nd rd picks like they have value, this guy is really starting to look lost

lol you are lost. two 2nd round picks for prigionni is a good trade. the dude is almost 40 and isn't playing for us. two 2nd rounders is a great trade, you're the one who's lost.

really, the rockets are contenders, those picks will be in the 55, 56 range. Go look at how many players pick that low even made training camp, let alone a roster spot. Prigs can help any contender right now

In 2017 and 2019? Are you Nostradamus now?

Cmon dude, stop convincing yourself this was a good trade and go do your research, 2nd rnd picks end up in the d league, or overseas.

This was a "at least i did something trade"

so what are you saying? that they should have held on to prigs?

Phils moves scream of inexperience. He basically traded all his veterans to winning teams, did them all a favor, and essentially kick rocks on the fans who pay extraodinary price for seats, and fans that spend 200 bucks(like myself) for league pass.

Of course you want to keep as many veterans as you can when your grooming young talent and a young clueless coach

I really think this bashing of Phil is extremely premature. You have yet to see what he actually does with the roster for next season. Until we see that it's really hard to kill the guy when he was working with the mess they left him originally. Now he's going to have a roster that more closely reflects his philosophy. So until we see who he drafts and who he signs in FA it makes little sense to go nuts on the guy.

Everybody on this roster (except for bargi and THJ) is all phil, he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season. In the process acquired a bunch of suspect players, that are far from understanding the triangle, or really good fits. He could have waited until the summer, or draft day to make trades.

He sold his stock when it was at it's lowest point, He received pennies on the dollar like a charged off account. Now we have young, loss roster, with no leadership, no guidence, no locker room presence, no clutch player. So the learning process is that much harder, and by the end of the season, your force to add 10 new players.

Dude this is looking like walsh era all over again, like I saw this movie before.

Tell me something, in the 11 months phil has been here, whats the one thing he's done thats showing you he can be the MAN. Remember he called a 54 win team clumsy.

You're still talking like someone who just parachuted in and has no idea what the team is doing. Why are you talking like that? You know damned well what Phil is doing and this roster needed to be trashed. You're talking like a novice when you say "he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season." What are you talking about? You think this teams future would be better if Phil hadn't made changes? Look, he tried to make use of some of the holdovers and give them a chance but they didn't work. He said that he'd know all he needed to know by December and what he did was trash that team and nearly start over.

It's going to be a completely remade roster which is what we needed to do. So keep on talking like you don't know what's going on. Talk like you haven't seen this team establish a new system and culture from the D League to the NBA team. Act like you don't know we have a 1st rd pick and cap space to bring in new talent. Act like he hasn't added picks and prospects. You know full well that the most important moves will come this summer. It's disingenuous to act like Phil isn't actively doing things to improve this franchise.

you act like you don't know that he traded Tyson for calderon.

Phil has said that he failed miserably ... you act like you don't know that.

He gave the holdovers a chance which was extremely stupid ... he should have scouted or had the data about the holdovers and dumped them while they still had value.

If I took over the team when he did, I would have cleaned house the next day.

I would have traded Melo, Tyson, Shump and Timmy and would have gotten back a boatload of assets in return.

However, that is unfair to say because I knew what we had and what they were worth while he was new and had no clue????

Not pretty.

Funny reaction on a day when Phil brings back a guy 11 years younger then the guy he sent out and also gets 2 second rounders. I thought Pablo might be bought out if he wasn't traded.
Not sure why you think Phil didn't do his homework on the roster he took over.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:he's grabbing 2nd rd picks like they have value, this guy is really starting to look lost

lol you are lost. two 2nd round picks for prigionni is a good trade. the dude is almost 40 and isn't playing for us. two 2nd rounders is a great trade, you're the one who's lost.

really, the rockets are contenders, those picks will be in the 55, 56 range. Go look at how many players pick that low even made training camp, let alone a roster spot. Prigs can help any contender right now

In 2017 and 2019? Are you Nostradamus now?

Cmon dude, stop convincing yourself this was a good trade and go do your research, 2nd rnd picks end up in the d league, or overseas.

This was a "at least i did something trade"

so what are you saying? that they should have held on to prigs?

Phils moves scream of inexperience. He basically traded all his veterans to winning teams, did them all a favor, and essentially kick rocks on the fans who pay extraodinary price for seats, and fans that spend 200 bucks(like myself) for league pass.

Of course you want to keep as many veterans as you can when your grooming young talent and a young clueless coach

I really think this bashing of Phil is extremely premature. You have yet to see what he actually does with the roster for next season. Until we see that it's really hard to kill the guy when he was working with the mess they left him originally. Now he's going to have a roster that more closely reflects his philosophy. So until we see who he drafts and who he signs in FA it makes little sense to go nuts on the guy.

Everybody on this roster (except for bargi and THJ) is all phil, he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season. In the process acquired a bunch of suspect players, that are far from understanding the triangle, or really good fits. He could have waited until the summer, or draft day to make trades.

He sold his stock when it was at it's lowest point, He received pennies on the dollar like a charged off account. Now we have young, loss roster, with no leadership, no guidence, no locker room presence, no clutch player. So the learning process is that much harder, and by the end of the season, your force to add 10 new players.

Dude this is looking like walsh era all over again, like I saw this movie before.

Tell me something, in the 11 months phil has been here, whats the one thing he's done thats showing you he can be the MAN. Remember he called a 54 win team clumsy.

You're still talking like someone who just parachuted in and has no idea what the team is doing. Why are you talking like that? You know damned well what Phil is doing and this roster needed to be trashed. You're talking like a novice when you say "he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season." What are you talking about? You think this teams future would be better if Phil hadn't made changes? Look, he tried to make use of some of the holdovers and give them a chance but they didn't work. He said that he'd know all he needed to know by December and what he did was trash that team and nearly start over.

It's going to be a completely remade roster which is what we needed to do. So keep on talking like you don't know what's going on. Talk like you haven't seen this team establish a new system and culture from the D League to the NBA team. Act like you don't know we have a 1st rd pick and cap space to bring in new talent. Act like he hasn't added picks and prospects. You know full well that the most important moves will come this summer. It's disingenuous to act like Phil isn't actively doing things to improve this franchise.

you act like you don't know that he traded Tyson for calderon.

Phil has said that he failed miserably ... you act like you don't know that.

He gave the holdovers a chance which was extremely stupid ... he should have scouted or had the data about the holdovers and dumped them while they still had value.

If I took over the team when he did, I would have cleaned house the next day.

I would have traded Melo, Tyson, Shump and Timmy and would have gotten back a boatload of assets in return.

However, that is unfair to say because I knew what we had and what they were worth while he was new and had no clue????

Not pretty.

Don't just simplify things to make your argument sound better. Phil traded Tyson for Jose and also got picks and players, which turned into Early, Thanasis, Labeyrie, Larkin and Acy. It wasn't just Jose.

PLAN A FAILED!!! Not everything else he's been doing. You can try and live off that comment but it's meaningless now given that he's moved on to Plan B. But you stay stuck on that and act like you don't know what is going on.

Sure Phil could've come in and just trashed the team but he didn't. He took a less drastic route 1st with very little risk given that he knew he had a pick and this was a transition year anyway. In the end he spent less than half a season taking a look at the roster and then moved on. Now we can move forward free to move in this new direction. He still has been able to establish his new culture and system throughout the D League and NBA organization. We're nearly a full season into that process.

plan A we agreed failed miserable ...

how many future failed plans does he get?

If we have a bad record and Toronto picks a good player with our pick then plan b fails

onto the make it or break it plan c?

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:he's grabbing 2nd rd picks like they have value, this guy is really starting to look lost

lol you are lost. two 2nd round picks for prigionni is a good trade. the dude is almost 40 and isn't playing for us. two 2nd rounders is a great trade, you're the one who's lost.

really, the rockets are contenders, those picks will be in the 55, 56 range. Go look at how many players pick that low even made training camp, let alone a roster spot. Prigs can help any contender right now

In 2017 and 2019? Are you Nostradamus now?

Cmon dude, stop convincing yourself this was a good trade and go do your research, 2nd rnd picks end up in the d league, or overseas.

This was a "at least i did something trade"

so what are you saying? that they should have held on to prigs?

Phils moves scream of inexperience. He basically traded all his veterans to winning teams, did them all a favor, and essentially kick rocks on the fans who pay extraodinary price for seats, and fans that spend 200 bucks(like myself) for league pass.

Of course you want to keep as many veterans as you can when your grooming young talent and a young clueless coach

I really think this bashing of Phil is extremely premature. You have yet to see what he actually does with the roster for next season. Until we see that it's really hard to kill the guy when he was working with the mess they left him originally. Now he's going to have a roster that more closely reflects his philosophy. So until we see who he drafts and who he signs in FA it makes little sense to go nuts on the guy.

Everybody on this roster (except for bargi and THJ) is all phil, he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season. In the process acquired a bunch of suspect players, that are far from understanding the triangle, or really good fits. He could have waited until the summer, or draft day to make trades.

He sold his stock when it was at it's lowest point, He received pennies on the dollar like a charged off account. Now we have young, loss roster, with no leadership, no guidence, no locker room presence, no clutch player. So the learning process is that much harder, and by the end of the season, your force to add 10 new players.

Dude this is looking like walsh era all over again, like I saw this movie before.

Tell me something, in the 11 months phil has been here, whats the one thing he's done thats showing you he can be the MAN. Remember he called a 54 win team clumsy.

You're still talking like someone who just parachuted in and has no idea what the team is doing. Why are you talking like that? You know damned well what Phil is doing and this roster needed to be trashed. You're talking like a novice when you say "he completely dismantled a roster that had one bad season." What are you talking about? You think this teams future would be better if Phil hadn't made changes? Look, he tried to make use of some of the holdovers and give them a chance but they didn't work. He said that he'd know all he needed to know by December and what he did was trash that team and nearly start over.

It's going to be a completely remade roster which is what we needed to do. So keep on talking like you don't know what's going on. Talk like you haven't seen this team establish a new system and culture from the D League to the NBA team. Act like you don't know we have a 1st rd pick and cap space to bring in new talent. Act like he hasn't added picks and prospects. You know full well that the most important moves will come this summer. It's disingenuous to act like Phil isn't actively doing things to improve this franchise.

you act like you don't know that he traded Tyson for calderon.

Phil has said that he failed miserably ... you act like you don't know that.

He gave the holdovers a chance which was extremely stupid ... he should have scouted or had the data about the holdovers and dumped them while they still had value.

If I took over the team when he did, I would have cleaned house the next day.

I would have traded Melo, Tyson, Shump and Timmy and would have gotten back a boatload of assets in return.

However, that is unfair to say because I knew what we had and what they were worth while he was new and had no clue????

Not pretty.

Don't just simplify things to make your argument sound better. Phil traded Tyson for Jose and also got picks and players, which turned into Early, Thanasis, Labeyrie, Larkin and Acy. It wasn't just Jose.

PLAN A FAILED!!! Not everything else he's been doing. You can try and live off that comment but it's meaningless now given that he's moved on to Plan B. But you stay stuck on that and act like you don't know what is going on.

Sure Phil could've come in and just trashed the team but he didn't. He took a less drastic route 1st with very little risk given that he knew he had a pick and this was a transition year anyway. In the end he spent less than half a season taking a look at the roster and then moved on. Now we can move forward free to move in this new direction. He still has been able to establish his new culture and system throughout the D League and NBA organization. We're nearly a full season into that process.

plan A we agreed failed miserable ...

how many future failed plans does he get?

If we have a bad record and Toronto picks a good player with our pick then plan b fails

onto the make it or break it plan c?

Probably at least ten, but that's a great question for Nixluva.

dk7th wrote:the problem with the team is that phil jackson hamstrung himself by deciding to pay carmelo anthinay 25 million per year, with the notion that-- please have a look at crushalots signature-- he needed to change the players around melo. that sounds like a fool's errand and it has turned out to be so. you can't take the approach that is tantamount to treating a non-frnachise player like a franchise player and expect good things to come from that. and that is exactly what has happened. i mean, the first thing jackson did was trade away the one player who did not like the way woodson was coaching and did not like the way the most expensive players were playing. this same player who had a ring and a defenisve player of the year award. THIS is the guy who gets labeled the source of chemistry issues and is the first to go in the name of culture change.

you just cannot make this shyt up.

TYson was actually his biggest trading chip, and he got back mediocre in return. I don't have a major problem with resigning melo, but the BS about him signing for a hometown discount was plain BS, and I don't blame Melo.

Now phil wants us to believe he's not going to over pay for FA, like is this dude living in a dream world. You have nothing that anyone wants but money.

No leader
No core
No hall of fame coach or even a good coach
No floor general
No role players that know there role

All he has is one marquee player on a bum knee, and one overrated draft pick, is that our selling point.

Like the guy said in The movie "Taken" GOOD LUCK.

CrushAlot wrote:Speculation from some on twitter that Pablo returns to Spain next year. Nice that the Knicks got something for him.

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Speculation from some on twitter that Pablo returns to Spain next year. Nice that the Knicks got something for him.

im surprised we got 2 picks so im happy. The bargnani trade really hurts because maybe we could have used that for dragic

no we could have used it for lowry

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Speculation from some on twitter that Pablo returns to Spain next year. Nice that the Knicks got something for him.

im surprised we got 2 picks so im happy. The bargnani trade really hurts because maybe we could have used that for dragic

no we could have used it for lowry

either player would have been fine by me. Im just pissed we wasted it on bargnani

Now that he's most likely going to start, he has a chance to redeem himself and make all of us eat crow. His game certainly fits the triangle like a glove.