Bonn1997 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The media is saying we can trade this year's lottery pick for Dragic. We all know that is impossible

Only after you have drafted him but why on earth would we especially since we are likely to get Okafor,Towns,or Russell

The problem is that those guys probably won't be in their primes while Melo is. If you want to just say these few years are shot and we can do real rebuilding once Melo's contract expires, that's another story. But our draft pick won't even be on his rookie contract then. I don't think a half rebuild, half starphuck model will work.

That's why I want to sign young players like like Monroe and a good young SG and a cheap PG. We will have a good core 4yrs from now when Melo is off the books. In the meantime the knicks need to accumulate as many picks and assets as possible to build the team the right way once Melo is gone.

Otherwise it's going to be the same vicious cycle of starting from zero in 4 years

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The media is saying we can trade this year's lottery pick for Dragic. We all know that is impossible

Only after you have drafted him but why on earth would we especially since we are likely to get Okafor,Towns,or Russell

The problem is that those guys probably won't be in their primes while Melo is. If you want to just say these few years are shot and we can do real rebuilding once Melo's contract expires, that's another story. But our draft pick won't even be on his rookie contract then. I don't think a half rebuild, half starphuck model will work.

That's why I want to sign young players like like Monroe and a good young SG and a cheap PG. We will have a good core 4yrs from now when Melo is off the books. In the meantime the knicks need to accumulate as many picks and assets as possible to build the team the right way once Melo is gone

That's fine but it will be hard to rebuild as successfully as other rebuilding teams if we have 45% of the cap devoted to Melo and Calderon, don't have any 2nd round picks, and don't have our 2016 first round pick.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:a few things...
1)why is there any assumption that we would get Plumlee? The Suns have said they need more size
2)Im not trading a pick for a guy I have to pay as well
3)they can take Calderon or any other mix of players on the current roster NO PICK

That basically means not adding anyone valuable through trades.
Do you want to keep both Melo and the player we draft. Objectively speaking, how likely is it that a rookie and a 13 year veteran will end up being in their primes at the same time?

The Knicks need an infusion of quality youth. Also there are at least 2 players (OK4/Russell) at the top of this draft with right out of the box NBA skill sets.

I would like to add 3 impact rotation/starters this offseason. We will start with the draft and sign two others.

Example: draft OK4, sign Robin Lopez and Dragic
Example: draft Russell, sign Robin Lopez and Greg Monroe

...you get the idea.

Im not concerned with Melo's timeframe. For "his sake" Im trying to add 3 impact guys. 2 via FA and 1 in the draft. If we can execute on that Knicks will be competitive next year. Good for Melo. That being said Melo doesnt dictate the moves, aside from his role on the team.

gunsnewing wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Celtics have the best assets to offer...unless Dragic has a no trade clause that's a done deal

I don't see why he wouldn't want Boston. Much more attractive future than New York & LA

That's debatable. All three teams all need to make improvements. Knicks could make the biggest turn around says my orange Kool-aid

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:a few things...
1)why is there any assumption that we would get Plumlee? The Suns have said they need more size
2)Im not trading a pick for a guy I have to pay as well
3)they can take Calderon or any other mix of players on the current roster NO PICK

That basically means not adding anyone valuable through trades.
Do you want to keep both Melo and the player we draft. Objectively speaking, how likely is it that a rookie and a 13 year veteran will end up being in their primes at the same time?

Very likely. For example Boston won 60+ games with Rondo as a rookie and Ray/KG/Pierce all in their 30s. Has KLeanard helped the Spurs in his rookie contract? We could do this all day.

The Knicks need an infusion of quality youth. Also there are at least 2 players (OK4/Russell) at the top of this draft with right out of the box NBA skill sets.

I would like to add 3 impact rotation/starters this offseason. We will start with the draft and sign two others.

Example: draft OK4, sign Robin Lopez and Dragic
Example: draft Russell, sign Robin Lopez and Greg Monroe

...you get the idea.

Im not concerned with Melo's timeframe. For "his sake" Im trying to add 3 impact guys. 2 via FA and 1 in the draft. If we can execute on that Knicks will be competitive next year. Good for Melo. That being said Melo doesnt dictate the moves, aside from his role on the team.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:a few things...
1)why is there any assumption that we would get Plumlee? The Suns have said they need more size
2)Im not trading a pick for a guy I have to pay as well
3)they can take Calderon or any other mix of players on the current roster NO PICK

That basically means not adding anyone valuable through trades.
Do you want to keep both Melo and the player we draft. Objectively speaking, how likely is it that a rookie and a 13 year veteran will end up being in their primes at the same time?

Very likely. For example Boston won 60+ games with Rondo as a rookie and Ray/KG/Pierce all in their 30s. Has KLeanard helped the Spurs in his rookie contract? We could do this all day.

The Knicks need an infusion of quality youth. Also there are at least 2 players (OK4/Russell) at the top of this draft with right out of the box NBA skill sets.

I would like to add 3 impact rotation/starters this offseason. We will start with the draft and sign two others.

Example: draft OK4, sign Robin Lopez and Dragic
Example: draft Russell, sign Robin Lopez and Greg Monroe

...you get the idea.

Im not concerned with Melo's timeframe. For "his sake" Im trying to add 3 impact guys. 2 via FA and 1 in the draft. If we can execute on that Knicks will be competitive next year. Good for Melo. That being said Melo doesnt dictate the moves, aside from his role on the team.

The Boston example doesn't help. By the time those 3 vets were in their 13th seasons, things were going rapidly downhill for the team.
I do think the posters here are right that we'd have to get something better than Dragic in a trade though.

Im not trading a pick for Dragic.