Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO the Hawks core 8 players are a very nice group of players, that make sense together and fit the style the coach has them playing. Productive, smart and team oriented players. It seems more attainable than trying to collect 3 stars and hoping you can fill out the rest of the roster. It would take careful decision making and patience. As others have talked about the Hawks almost messed it up several times. It also takes GUTS to go this way since most fans want teams to have big name talent. This approach is less sexy and harder for a GM to justify if the team doesn't take off right away.

                      G   FG     FG%    3P%     FT%     OREB    DREB    REB     AST     STL     TO      PF      PTS
1. Jeff Teague        37   5.9	 47.9%	35.4%	86.8%	0.4	2.3	2.7	7.4	1.8	2.6	1.9	17.4
2. Paul Millsap       40   6.1   47.7%	33.3%	73.3%	1.7	6.3	7.9	3.2	1.8	2.4	2.7	16.9
3. Al Horford         39   6.8   53.8%	33.3%	73.4%	1.4	5.2	6.6	3.1	0.6	1.2	1.8	15.2
4. Kyle Korver        40   4.2   51.5%	53.6%	92%	0.3	3.9	4.2	2.9	0.7	1.5	1.8	13.2
5. DeMarre Carroll    36   4.1   45.4%	38.8%	68.7%	1.5	4.1	5.6	1.4	1.3	0.9	2.4	11.7
6. Dennis Schroder    39   3.2   44.4%	24.5%	75.3%	0.3	1.6	1.9	3.2	0.9	1.8	1.5	8.1
7. Mike Scott         39   2.7   44.7%	38.5%	83.3%	0.5	2	2.5	1	0.2	0.7	1.3	7.4
8. Thabo Sefolosha    39   1.9   42%	28.6%	78.7%	1	3.4	4.5	1.6	1.1	0.7	1.4	5.3
9. Kent Bazemore      34   1.2   42.4%	44.1%	60%	0.1	2	2.1	0.6	0.3	0.6	1.3	3.4
10 Shelvin Mack       31   1.7   37.3%	30.6%	78.9%	0.2	1.3	1.5	2.8	0.4	0.9	0.5	4.5
11 Pero Antic         30   2     41.2%	33%	69.8%	0.9	1.9	2.8	0.9	0.3	0.9	2.3	6.3
12 Elton Brand        16   1.4   46.8%	—	46.2%	1.1	1.9	3	0.5	0.5	0.4	1.5	3.1
13 Mike Muscala       14   1.9   53.1%	25%	85.7%	1.3	1	2.3	0.3	0.3	0.5	0.9	4.2
14 John Jenkins       3    1.7   45.5%	33.3%	100%	—	0.7	0.7	—	0.3	0.3	0.7	4
15 Adreian Payne      3    0.7   28.6%	—	50%	0.3	1	1.3	—	0.3	—	1.3	1.7

Phil has a philosophy which should make it easier for him to target specific players who can excel playing the way he wants to play. Phil has to start with his core and build out from there. The Hawks adding Millsap and Korver to Teague and Horford was a huge cornerstone to this teams success. Seeing how they are structured should give hope to the Knick Fans who are wondering how this can work. We will have a different mix of players with Phil doing the choosing but the principle should be the same. Productive, 2 way, well rounded players who can excel in a team oriented system.

you are forgetting that we already have Melo who is a plan fukker upper

Well I Don't think Melo would necessarily mess up Phil's plan. Anytime Melo played with a legit group they had some success so why should he be a detriment to success here with a good group of players? I'm only interested in seeing if Phil can put together a good core group of 8 players we can depend on to produce. The best rosters that Melo has played with weren't great but those teams played well. The WCF's team in Denver and the 54 win team here in NY weren't great teams but at least gave us an indication of what can happen if you put the right talent around Melo.

This time we need to put a team together that has lasting power as well as being a great fit with each other. Just looking at what they did in Atlanta it makes it much more feasible that we could put together a good core group here as well. It's a good model in terms of the kind of players we should be looking for. Efficient players with good overall skills. Melo is just one player and we have a boatload of minutes to assign to the rest of the rotation.

Melo can play well if surrounded by good players and leaders who he must defer to.

the issue is that he is making too much money and there is a very good chance that he will break down and we will be stuck with another injured cap killer.He is too big to fail. too risky.

There is a good chance any player at any given time could break down. Horford has injury risks too, that's just part of the game. The key is putting enough talent alongside Melo so his usage and minutes can be lowered and he isn't working as hard for shots.

Watching the Hawks v Pistons right now and the Pistons roster is actually a bit closer to what I think Phil will try to go far in terms of size. Phil is likely gonna want 2 bigs like they have in Detroit. Atlanta is a smallish team which doesn't follow the usual format of what Phil has had. Phil loves big and long teams.

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO the Hawks core 8 players are a very nice group of players, that make sense together and fit the style the coach has them playing. Productive, smart and team oriented players. It seems more attainable than trying to collect 3 stars and hoping you can fill out the rest of the roster. It would take careful decision making and patience. As others have talked about the Hawks almost messed it up several times. It also takes GUTS to go this way since most fans want teams to have big name talent. This approach is less sexy and harder for a GM to justify if the team doesn't take off right away.

                      G   FG     FG%    3P%     FT%     OREB    DREB    REB     AST     STL     TO      PF      PTS
1. Jeff Teague        37   5.9	 47.9%	35.4%	86.8%	0.4	2.3	2.7	7.4	1.8	2.6	1.9	17.4
2. Paul Millsap       40   6.1   47.7%	33.3%	73.3%	1.7	6.3	7.9	3.2	1.8	2.4	2.7	16.9
3. Al Horford         39   6.8   53.8%	33.3%	73.4%	1.4	5.2	6.6	3.1	0.6	1.2	1.8	15.2
4. Kyle Korver        40   4.2   51.5%	53.6%	92%	0.3	3.9	4.2	2.9	0.7	1.5	1.8	13.2
5. DeMarre Carroll    36   4.1   45.4%	38.8%	68.7%	1.5	4.1	5.6	1.4	1.3	0.9	2.4	11.7
6. Dennis Schroder    39   3.2   44.4%	24.5%	75.3%	0.3	1.6	1.9	3.2	0.9	1.8	1.5	8.1
7. Mike Scott         39   2.7   44.7%	38.5%	83.3%	0.5	2	2.5	1	0.2	0.7	1.3	7.4
8. Thabo Sefolosha    39   1.9   42%	28.6%	78.7%	1	3.4	4.5	1.6	1.1	0.7	1.4	5.3
9. Kent Bazemore      34   1.2   42.4%	44.1%	60%	0.1	2	2.1	0.6	0.3	0.6	1.3	3.4
10 Shelvin Mack       31   1.7   37.3%	30.6%	78.9%	0.2	1.3	1.5	2.8	0.4	0.9	0.5	4.5
11 Pero Antic         30   2     41.2%	33%	69.8%	0.9	1.9	2.8	0.9	0.3	0.9	2.3	6.3
12 Elton Brand        16   1.4   46.8%	—	46.2%	1.1	1.9	3	0.5	0.5	0.4	1.5	3.1
13 Mike Muscala       14   1.9   53.1%	25%	85.7%	1.3	1	2.3	0.3	0.3	0.5	0.9	4.2
14 John Jenkins       3    1.7   45.5%	33.3%	100%	—	0.7	0.7	—	0.3	0.3	0.7	4
15 Adreian Payne      3    0.7   28.6%	—	50%	0.3	1	1.3	—	0.3	—	1.3	1.7

Phil has a philosophy which should make it easier for him to target specific players who can excel playing the way he wants to play. Phil has to start with his core and build out from there. The Hawks adding Millsap and Korver to Teague and Horford was a huge cornerstone to this teams success. Seeing how they are structured should give hope to the Knick Fans who are wondering how this can work. We will have a different mix of players with Phil doing the choosing but the principle should be the same. Productive, 2 way, well rounded players who can excel in a team oriented system.

you are forgetting that we already have Melo who is a plan fukker upper

Well I Don't think Melo would necessarily mess up Phil's plan. Anytime Melo played with a legit group they had some success so why should he be a detriment to success here with a good group of players? I'm only interested in seeing if Phil can put together a good core group of 8 players we can depend on to produce. The best rosters that Melo has played with weren't great but those teams played well. The WCF's team in Denver and the 54 win team here in NY weren't great teams but at least gave us an indication of what can happen if you put the right talent around Melo.

This time we need to put a team together that has lasting power as well as being a great fit with each other. Just looking at what they did in Atlanta it makes it much more feasible that we could put together a good core group here as well. It's a good model in terms of the kind of players we should be looking for. Efficient players with good overall skills. Melo is just one player and we have a boatload of minutes to assign to the rest of the rotation.

Melo can play well if surrounded by good players and leaders who he must defer to.

the issue is that he is making too much money and there is a very good chance that he will break down and we will be stuck with another injured cap killer.He is too big to fail. too risky.

There is a good chance any player at any given time could break down. Horford has injury risks too, that's just part of the game. The key is putting enough talent alongside Melo so his usage and minutes can be lowered and he isn't working as hard for shots.

Thats exactly the point. Horford eats up much less of the cap just like the rest of their players.

So, if any of them go down, your money is spread out to other solid players. They can afford this with the way they are constructed.

They can probably lose any player for an extended period of time and not miss a beat.

True, but it just depends on how the team is built. Max players are that way for a reason. Having a bunch of guys worth 10-12 mil can be a good strategy, but utlimately most teams win with guys making max money. But we can still put together a great team with Melo making 30% of the payroll nonetheless, and we must draft well and find diamonds in the rough who we can pay minimum money and get quality role player production.

Anything is possible but he has made it almost impossible.

And, what happens if he gets a serious injury in year 2 or 3? We cannot recover from that. We put too many eggs in his basket and he is not good enough for us to take such a crazy and careless chance.

Atlanta has 4 core players getting paid well and a bunch of cheap talent. Even with Melo making max money, you can still add those 2 or 3 core guys and retain all of the cheap talent we have plus add more cheap guys to round out the rotation and roster. We can do it the exact same way within the salary cap.

Go look in the Knick mirror and look yourself in the eye and think of the freakout "waive him!" "Amnesty him"!!!"trade him" as you have with Amare, and suggest with Bropez!!!!!!

Patience pays off. He has played 39 games thus far this year and I do hope he can stay on the court!

Teague would have been crushed by now.

Most fans want guys visible when they hit prime or hit a noticeable gain.

How long did it take to build the Hawks? They needed a low return trade to save cap space from the ISO joe trade, and Exile J-Smooth as well!!!!

How long did it take? I think they have been in a state of rebuild since they Left St louis!!!!

Also, after years of bad contracts, idiot drafts and countless mistakes they are now a very good team. If they finish tops in east Danny Ferry should be exec of the year even in Exile!!!!!

Whose gonna put the first "we need to hire Danny Ferry" thread on the UK????

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO the Hawks core 8 players are a very nice group of players, that make sense together and fit the style the coach has them playing. Productive, smart and team oriented players. It seems more attainable than trying to collect 3 stars and hoping you can fill out the rest of the roster. It would take careful decision making and patience. As others have talked about the Hawks almost messed it up several times. It also takes GUTS to go this way since most fans want teams to have big name talent. This approach is less sexy and harder for a GM to justify if the team doesn't take off right away.

                      G   FG     FG%    3P%     FT%     OREB    DREB    REB     AST     STL     TO      PF      PTS
1. Jeff Teague        37   5.9	 47.9%	35.4%	86.8%	0.4	2.3	2.7	7.4	1.8	2.6	1.9	17.4
2. Paul Millsap       40   6.1   47.7%	33.3%	73.3%	1.7	6.3	7.9	3.2	1.8	2.4	2.7	16.9
3. Al Horford         39   6.8   53.8%	33.3%	73.4%	1.4	5.2	6.6	3.1	0.6	1.2	1.8	15.2
4. Kyle Korver        40   4.2   51.5%	53.6%	92%	0.3	3.9	4.2	2.9	0.7	1.5	1.8	13.2
5. DeMarre Carroll    36   4.1   45.4%	38.8%	68.7%	1.5	4.1	5.6	1.4	1.3	0.9	2.4	11.7
6. Dennis Schroder    39   3.2   44.4%	24.5%	75.3%	0.3	1.6	1.9	3.2	0.9	1.8	1.5	8.1
7. Mike Scott         39   2.7   44.7%	38.5%	83.3%	0.5	2	2.5	1	0.2	0.7	1.3	7.4
8. Thabo Sefolosha    39   1.9   42%	28.6%	78.7%	1	3.4	4.5	1.6	1.1	0.7	1.4	5.3
9. Kent Bazemore      34   1.2   42.4%	44.1%	60%	0.1	2	2.1	0.6	0.3	0.6	1.3	3.4
10 Shelvin Mack       31   1.7   37.3%	30.6%	78.9%	0.2	1.3	1.5	2.8	0.4	0.9	0.5	4.5
11 Pero Antic         30   2     41.2%	33%	69.8%	0.9	1.9	2.8	0.9	0.3	0.9	2.3	6.3
12 Elton Brand        16   1.4   46.8%	—	46.2%	1.1	1.9	3	0.5	0.5	0.4	1.5	3.1
13 Mike Muscala       14   1.9   53.1%	25%	85.7%	1.3	1	2.3	0.3	0.3	0.5	0.9	4.2
14 John Jenkins       3    1.7   45.5%	33.3%	100%	—	0.7	0.7	—	0.3	0.3	0.7	4
15 Adreian Payne      3    0.7   28.6%	—	50%	0.3	1	1.3	—	0.3	—	1.3	1.7

Phil has a philosophy which should make it easier for him to target specific players who can excel playing the way he wants to play. Phil has to start with his core and build out from there. The Hawks adding Millsap and Korver to Teague and Horford was a huge cornerstone to this teams success. Seeing how they are structured should give hope to the Knick Fans who are wondering how this can work. We will have a different mix of players with Phil doing the choosing but the principle should be the same. Productive, 2 way, well rounded players who can excel in a team oriented system.

you are forgetting that we already have Melo who is a plan fukker upper

Well I Don't think Melo would necessarily mess up Phil's plan. Anytime Melo played with a legit group they had some success so why should he be a detriment to success here with a good group of players? I'm only interested in seeing if Phil can put together a good core group of 8 players we can depend on to produce. The best rosters that Melo has played with weren't great but those teams played well. The WCF's team in Denver and the 54 win team here in NY weren't great teams but at least gave us an indication of what can happen if you put the right talent around Melo.

This time we need to put a team together that has lasting power as well as being a great fit with each other. Just looking at what they did in Atlanta it makes it much more feasible that we could put together a good core group here as well. It's a good model in terms of the kind of players we should be looking for. Efficient players with good overall skills. Melo is just one player and we have a boatload of minutes to assign to the rest of the rotation.

Melo can play well if surrounded by good players and leaders who he must defer to.

the issue is that he is making too much money and there is a very good chance that he will break down and we will be stuck with another injured cap killer.He is too big to fail. too risky.

There is a good chance any player at any given time could break down. Horford has injury risks too, that's just part of the game. The key is putting enough talent alongside Melo so his usage and minutes can be lowered and he isn't working as hard for shots.

IMO some are putting WAY too much emphasis on Melo and not enough on the point of the thread. In the case of Atlanta which shows a VERY realistic goal to shoot for. Phil has enough options available to put a core group together that is equal in quality to what Atlanta has put together. That wouldn't require overpriced stars in order to achieve a high quality roster. Smart planning and a bit of good luck could yield some good results.

Watching the Hawks v Pistons right now and the Pistons roster is actually a bit closer to what I think Phil will try to go far in terms of size. Phil is likely gonna want 2 bigs like they have in Detroit. Atlanta is a smallish team which doesn't follow the usual format of what Phil has had. Phil loves big and long teams.

But there are a few problems with that plan. Chief among them is that Melo will be 31 at the end of this season; he'd be the 2nd oldest player on the Hawks. How many years are we going to have to build that kind of a team?

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO the Hawks core 8 players are a very nice group of players, that make sense together and fit the style the coach has them playing. Productive, smart and team oriented players. It seems more attainable than trying to collect 3 stars and hoping you can fill out the rest of the roster. It would take careful decision making and patience. As others have talked about the Hawks almost messed it up several times. It also takes GUTS to go this way since most fans want teams to have big name talent. This approach is less sexy and harder for a GM to justify if the team doesn't take off right away.

                      G   FG     FG%    3P%     FT%     OREB    DREB    REB     AST     STL     TO      PF      PTS
1. Jeff Teague        37   5.9	 47.9%	35.4%	86.8%	0.4	2.3	2.7	7.4	1.8	2.6	1.9	17.4
2. Paul Millsap       40   6.1   47.7%	33.3%	73.3%	1.7	6.3	7.9	3.2	1.8	2.4	2.7	16.9
3. Al Horford         39   6.8   53.8%	33.3%	73.4%	1.4	5.2	6.6	3.1	0.6	1.2	1.8	15.2
4. Kyle Korver        40   4.2   51.5%	53.6%	92%	0.3	3.9	4.2	2.9	0.7	1.5	1.8	13.2
5. DeMarre Carroll    36   4.1   45.4%	38.8%	68.7%	1.5	4.1	5.6	1.4	1.3	0.9	2.4	11.7
6. Dennis Schroder    39   3.2   44.4%	24.5%	75.3%	0.3	1.6	1.9	3.2	0.9	1.8	1.5	8.1
7. Mike Scott         39   2.7   44.7%	38.5%	83.3%	0.5	2	2.5	1	0.2	0.7	1.3	7.4
8. Thabo Sefolosha    39   1.9   42%	28.6%	78.7%	1	3.4	4.5	1.6	1.1	0.7	1.4	5.3
9. Kent Bazemore      34   1.2   42.4%	44.1%	60%	0.1	2	2.1	0.6	0.3	0.6	1.3	3.4
10 Shelvin Mack       31   1.7   37.3%	30.6%	78.9%	0.2	1.3	1.5	2.8	0.4	0.9	0.5	4.5
11 Pero Antic         30   2     41.2%	33%	69.8%	0.9	1.9	2.8	0.9	0.3	0.9	2.3	6.3
12 Elton Brand        16   1.4   46.8%	—	46.2%	1.1	1.9	3	0.5	0.5	0.4	1.5	3.1
13 Mike Muscala       14   1.9   53.1%	25%	85.7%	1.3	1	2.3	0.3	0.3	0.5	0.9	4.2
14 John Jenkins       3    1.7   45.5%	33.3%	100%	—	0.7	0.7	—	0.3	0.3	0.7	4
15 Adreian Payne      3    0.7   28.6%	—	50%	0.3	1	1.3	—	0.3	—	1.3	1.7

Phil has a philosophy which should make it easier for him to target specific players who can excel playing the way he wants to play. Phil has to start with his core and build out from there. The Hawks adding Millsap and Korver to Teague and Horford was a huge cornerstone to this teams success. Seeing how they are structured should give hope to the Knick Fans who are wondering how this can work. We will have a different mix of players with Phil doing the choosing but the principle should be the same. Productive, 2 way, well rounded players who can excel in a team oriented system.

you are forgetting that we already have Melo who is a plan fukker upper

Well I Don't think Melo would necessarily mess up Phil's plan. Anytime Melo played with a legit group they had some success so why should he be a detriment to success here with a good group of players? I'm only interested in seeing if Phil can put together a good core group of 8 players we can depend on to produce. The best rosters that Melo has played with weren't great but those teams played well. The WCF's team in Denver and the 54 win team here in NY weren't great teams but at least gave us an indication of what can happen if you put the right talent around Melo.

This time we need to put a team together that has lasting power as well as being a great fit with each other. Just looking at what they did in Atlanta it makes it much more feasible that we could put together a good core group here as well. It's a good model in terms of the kind of players we should be looking for. Efficient players with good overall skills. Melo is just one player and we have a boatload of minutes to assign to the rest of the rotation.

Melo can play well if surrounded by good players and leaders who he must defer to.

the issue is that he is making too much money and there is a very good chance that he will break down and we will be stuck with another injured cap killer.He is too big to fail. too risky.

There is a good chance any player at any given time could break down. Horford has injury risks too, that's just part of the game. The key is putting enough talent alongside Melo so his usage and minutes can be lowered and he isn't working as hard for shots.

IMO some are putting WAY too much emphasis on Melo and not enough on the point of the thread. In the case of Atlanta which shows a VERY realistic goal to shoot for. Phil has enough options available to put a core group together that is equal in quality to what Atlanta has put together. That wouldn't require overpriced stars in order to achieve a high quality roster. Smart planning and a bit of good luck could yield some good results.

Watching the Hawks v Pistons right now and the Pistons roster is actually a bit closer to what I think Phil will try to go far in terms of size. Phil is likely gonna want 2 bigs like they have in Detroit. Atlanta is a smallish team which doesn't follow the usual format of what Phil has had. Phil loves big and long teams.

But there are a few problems with that plan. Chief among them is that Melo will be 31 at the end of this season; he'd be the 2nd oldest player on the Hawks. How many years are we going to have to build that kind of a team?

yellowboy90 wrote:Well to be fair don't you have to wait to see how ATL fairs in the the playoffs and over time. Will it still be a good model if they give Millsap close to 17-$20M or will he sign a more moderate deal? Will they let Horford go after next season or will he return on a similar contract?

they are not giving Milsap 17-20 million. No way.

maybe 12 tops.

In a good system, everybody should be replaceable.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Well to be fair don't you have to wait to see how ATL fairs in the the playoffs and over time. Will it still be a good model if they give Millsap close to 17-$20M or will he sign a more moderate deal? Will they let Horford go after next season or will he return on a similar contract?

they are not giving Milsap 17-20 million. No way.

maybe 12 tops.

In a good system, everybody should be replaceable.

Will Millsap settle for $12M when he see all this money going out knowing that this is his last big pay day? Houston would offer him $15m probably.

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:in 11'-12 Al played 11 games. Last year, 29 games.

Go look in the Knick mirror and look yourself in the eye and think of the freakout "waive him!" "Amnesty him"!!!"trade him" as you have with Amare, and suggest with Bropez!!!!!!

Patience pays off. He has played 39 games thus far this year and I do hope he can stay on the court!

Teague would have been crushed by now.

Most fans want guys visible when they hit prime or hit a noticeable gain.

How long did it take to build the Hawks? They needed a low return trade to save cap space from the ISO joe trade, and Exile J-Smooth as well!!!!

How long did it take? I think they have been in a state of rebuild since they Left St louis!!!!

Also, after years of bad contracts, idiot drafts and countless mistakes they are now a very good team. If they finish tops in east Danny Ferry should be exec of the year even in Exile!!!!!

Whose gonna put the first "we need to hire Danny Ferry" thread on the UK????

right. they can be a good team if Al or anyone else goes down. Who cares how long it took them to get it right? The question is what was/is the correct model?

Is the correct model giving a 2nd tier star who is on the north side of 30 a 24 per contract with a no trade clause?

The only argument that you can make here is the new cap which perhaps have some insight into.

the only arguement is with myself as to why I keep frequent the UK and subject to much of what we read.

Briggs already picking his next coach without any context as to what the President of basketball operations has in mind.
Daily nonsensical ranting about Melo
and, Wron Wron is starting to make sense!!!!!

What does ATL, GS, SAS, and the Lakers usually have? Patience!!!!!!!! Sometimes you don't have a choice.

My focus is on the draft. Where we land and who we take. That is the future. He could be the next big thing for Phil. Phil has done well.

I don't think we have a shot at KLove, but we will be in a position if he shakes loose. Gotta have the ability to sign guys. We have that. I doubt Lebron leaves CLE, but if he did, we could call him.

Melo, Top 3 pick, 30+million in cap space lead by the greatest coach who has won as a player and as a coach. He seeks to rebuild. He had two youngish guys he wanted to coach. I really don't think Kerr would have done much better than Fish.

phil wants his triangle and he don't care how any of us feel about it.

Fisher is not going anywhere before the end of next season.

Atlanta also had the guts to dump JJ like Memphis had the guts to dumb Rudy Gay.

Phil cannot be happy with Melo's ball movement and I would imagine that he is entertaining every option.

Kerr would have done miles better that fisher (short term and long term).

I did an edit of my last post.

Core player?

Nope. But he can come off the bench.

Nalod wrote:Sometimes ball dominant players don't pass the ball to players they don't trust.

Look it up, that was Jordan when Phil got to mentor him.

how could he not trust a wide open prigs or calderon in the corner who are open because their man is all over melo?

Melo detests giving up the ball especially in the high/mid post.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Well to be fair don't you have to wait to see how ATL fairs in the the playoffs and over time. Will it still be a good model if they give Millsap close to 17-$20M or will he sign a more moderate deal? Will they let Horford go after next season or will he return on a similar contract?

they are not giving Milsap 17-20 million. No way.

maybe 12 tops.

In a good system, everybody should be replaceable.

Will Millsap settle for $12M when he see all this money going out knowing that this is his last big pay day? Houston would offer him $15m probably.

for some reason, his value has never been as high as it should have been.

Maybe he does get 15 million ... who knows. I don't think that Atlanta pays that. They will just plug in someone else.

They may have to but it remains to be seen if they will stay the same. It remains to be seen if they can keep playing at a high level or stay healthy this season. We do not know if it is just a plug and play system. Can they sustain a long period of time with Korver out? Maybe but maybe not. Hopefully they won't have to find out.