gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea they should be around a .600 team if you replace Love with Melo. Along with Irving

replace Irving with a prime Billups or Lowry and they are a .700 team.

Or Wade or Bosh yup

Irving (I think) is the one that is phuching up that team. He is a selfish prick who just wants to chuck.

Yea a modern day Iverson without the unique heart and fearlessness. Iverson always gave 100%

yeah ... the anti Iverson really.

As much as I have killed Iverson, he always gave 150% effort. Just did not care to practice :-)

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea they should be around a .600 team if you replace Love with Melo. Along with Irving

replace Irving with a prime Billups or Lowry and they are a .700 team.

Or Wade or Bosh yup

Irving (I think) is the one that is phuching up that team. He is a selfish prick who just wants to chuck.

Yea a modern day Iverson without the unique heart and fearlessness. Iverson always gave 100%

yeah ... the anti Iverson really.

As much as I have killed Iverson, he always gave 150% effort. Just did not care to practice :-)

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea they should be around a .600 team if you replace Love with Melo. Along with Irving

replace Irving with a prime Billups or Lowry and they are a .700 team.

Or Wade or Bosh yup

Irving (I think) is the one that is phuching up that team. He is a selfish prick who just wants to chuck.

1 Lack of depth and poor health (tied)
3 Irving being selfish and overrated
4 Lebron and Love underachieving

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea they should be around a .600 team if you replace Love with Melo. Along with Irving

replace Irving with a prime Billups or Lowry and they are a .700 team.

Or Wade or Bosh yup

Irving (I think) is the one that is phuching up that team. He is a selfish prick who just wants to chuck.

I agree. I'd say their problems in order of importance are

1 Lack of depth and poor health (tied)
3 Irving being selfish and overrated
4 Lebron and Love underachieving

Irving gets too much blame, imo. For a guy playing in the Wade role he is at a much lower usg than Wade. I would put Lebron's play at number 2 right after Defense. Lebron is running the show and running it poorly on defense. Offensively he will get his but he is making 2013/2014 Harden look good defensively.

Wade looks to make others better and Kyrie looks like he just wants to score. Don't care for him at all.

Kyrie is at a lower usage than wade because wade had already won and is one of the best guards of all time. Kyrie has done squat. A waste of crazy talent. The days of the cool crossovers are over. Nobody cares anymore ...

Lebron seems to be playing scared on offense not wanting to get hit. He is passing up way too many shots and driving opportunities.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea they should be around a .600 team if you replace Love with Melo. Along with Irving

replace Irving with a prime Billups or Lowry and they are a .700 team.

Or Wade or Bosh yup

Irving (I think) is the one that is phuching up that team. He is a selfish prick who just wants to chuck.

I agree. I'd say their problems in order of importance are

1 Lack of depth and poor health (tied)
3 Irving being selfish and overrated
4 Lebron and Love underachieving

Irving gets too much blame, imo. For a guy playing in the Wade role he is at a much lower usg than Wade. I would put Lebron's play at number 2 right after Defense. Lebron is running the show and running it poorly on defense. Offensively he will get his but he is making 2013/2014 Harden look good defensively.

Wade looks to make others better and Kyrie looks like he just wants to score. Don't care for him at all.

Kyrie is at a lower usage than wade because wade had already won and is one of the best guards of all time. Kyrie has done squat. A waste of crazy talent. The days of the cool crossovers are over. Nobody cares anymore ...

Lebron seems to be playing scared on offense not wanting to get hit. He is passing up way too many shots and driving opportunities.

He is at a lower usg and dishing more ast than Wade was in his 1st year with Lebron. Wade was the better player and is one of the greates 2 guards the game had. He is really a throw back guard. He remained efficient because he knew how to get to the line and forced the refs to blow the whistle fall after fall after fall. Irving problem is that he doesn't know how to get to the line. With his dribble and ability he should be getting to the line 8 times a game. That is the real downfall in his game.

I do agree he is too selfish sometimes and that he over dribbles.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea they should be around a .600 team if you replace Love with Melo. Along with Irving

replace Irving with a prime Billups or Lowry and they are a .700 team.

Or Wade or Bosh yup

Irving (I think) is the one that is phuching up that team. He is a selfish prick who just wants to chuck.

I agree. I'd say their problems in order of importance are

1 Lack of depth and poor health (tied)
3 Irving being selfish and overrated
4 Lebron and Love underachieving

Irving gets too much blame, imo. For a guy playing in the Wade role he is at a much lower usg than Wade. I would put Lebron's play at number 2 right after Defense. Lebron is running the show and running it poorly on defense. Offensively he will get his but he is making 2013/2014 Harden look good defensively.

Wade looks to make others better and Kyrie looks like he just wants to score. Don't care for him at all.

Kyrie is at a lower usage than wade because wade had already won and is one of the best guards of all time. Kyrie has done squat. A waste of crazy talent. The days of the cool crossovers are over. Nobody cares anymore ...

Lebron seems to be playing scared on offense not wanting to get hit. He is passing up way too many shots and driving opportunities.

He is at a lower usg and dishing more ast than Wade was in his 1st year with Lebron. Wade was the better player and is one of the greates 2 guards the game had. He is really a throw back guard. He remained efficient because he knew how to get to the line and forced the refs to blow the whistle fall after fall after fall. Irving problem is that he doesn't know how to get to the line. With his dribble and ability he should be getting to the line 8 times a game. That is the real downfall in his game.

I do agree he is too selfish sometimes and that he over dribbles.

I think you're right actually. Selfishness isn't major problem for him. I'd modify what I said before - I'd remove the selfish part but leave the overrated part. I think he's just not good at anything other than scoring, and he's not good enough at scoring to be considered a superstar.

Really? why is such a talented PG averaging so few assists? With his talent, he should be averaging 8+. The issue is, does he want to pass first or shoot first?

Edit: Look at John Walls USG -> Assit rate. Its not even close.

Kyrie should be looking to improve like Wall. The difference is that Kyrie is too in love with his own shot to pass the ball more.

How could you say that he is not selfish with a 1 : 1 usg -> assist ratio as a PG?

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea they should be around a .600 team if you replace Love with Melo. Along with Irving

replace Irving with a prime Billups or Lowry and they are a .700 team.

Or Wade or Bosh yup

Irving (I think) is the one that is phuching up that team. He is a selfish prick who just wants to chuck.

I agree. I'd say their problems in order of importance are

1 Lack of depth and poor health (tied)
3 Irving being selfish and overrated
4 Lebron and Love underachieving

Irving gets too much blame, imo. For a guy playing in the Wade role he is at a much lower usg than Wade. I would put Lebron's play at number 2 right after Defense. Lebron is running the show and running it poorly on defense. Offensively he will get his but he is making 2013/2014 Harden look good defensively.

Wade looks to make others better and Kyrie looks like he just wants to score. Don't care for him at all.

Kyrie is at a lower usage than wade because wade had already won and is one of the best guards of all time. Kyrie has done squat. A waste of crazy talent. The days of the cool crossovers are over. Nobody cares anymore ...

Lebron seems to be playing scared on offense not wanting to get hit. He is passing up way too many shots and driving opportunities.

He is at a lower usg and dishing more ast than Wade was in his 1st year with Lebron. Wade was the better player and is one of the greates 2 guards the game had. He is really a throw back guard. He remained efficient because he knew how to get to the line and forced the refs to blow the whistle fall after fall after fall. Irving problem is that he doesn't know how to get to the line. With his dribble and ability he should be getting to the line 8 times a game. That is the real downfall in his game.

I do agree he is too selfish sometimes and that he over dribbles.

I think you're right actually. Selfishness isn't major problem for him. I'd modify what I said before - I'd remove the selfish part but leave the overrated part. I think he's just not good at anything other than scoring, and he's not good enough at scoring to be considered a superstar.

Really? why is such a talented PG averaging so few assists? With his talent, he should be averaging 8+. The issue is, does he want to pass first or shoot first?

Edit: Look at John Walls USG -> Assit rate. Its not even close.

Kyrie should be looking to improve like Wall. The difference is that Kyrie is too in love with his own shot to pass the ball more.

How could you say that he is not selfish with a 1 : 1 usg -> assist ratio as a PG?

Is he the PG or just the shorter guard? From the few times I've watched and looking at the #s, it seems like Lebron is the point forward.

Ok ... how about last year? Or how about when Lebron does not play?

The dude is selfish!

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea they should be around a .600 team if you replace Love with Melo. Along with Irving

replace Irving with a prime Billups or Lowry and they are a .700 team.

Or Wade or Bosh yup

Irving (I think) is the one that is phuching up that team. He is a selfish prick who just wants to chuck.

I agree. I'd say their problems in order of importance are

1 Lack of depth and poor health (tied)
3 Irving being selfish and overrated
4 Lebron and Love underachieving

Irving gets too much blame, imo. For a guy playing in the Wade role he is at a much lower usg than Wade. I would put Lebron's play at number 2 right after Defense. Lebron is running the show and running it poorly on defense. Offensively he will get his but he is making 2013/2014 Harden look good defensively.

Wade looks to make others better and Kyrie looks like he just wants to score. Don't care for him at all.

Kyrie is at a lower usage than wade because wade had already won and is one of the best guards of all time. Kyrie has done squat. A waste of crazy talent. The days of the cool crossovers are over. Nobody cares anymore ...

Lebron seems to be playing scared on offense not wanting to get hit. He is passing up way too many shots and driving opportunities.

He is at a lower usg and dishing more ast than Wade was in his 1st year with Lebron. Wade was the better player and is one of the greates 2 guards the game had. He is really a throw back guard. He remained efficient because he knew how to get to the line and forced the refs to blow the whistle fall after fall after fall. Irving problem is that he doesn't know how to get to the line. With his dribble and ability he should be getting to the line 8 times a game. That is the real downfall in his game.

I do agree he is too selfish sometimes and that he over dribbles.

I think you're right actually. Selfishness isn't major problem for him. I'd modify what I said before - I'd remove the selfish part but leave the overrated part. I think he's just not good at anything other than scoring, and he's not good enough at scoring to be considered a superstar.

Really? why is such a talented PG averaging so few assists? With his talent, he should be averaging 8+. The issue is, does he want to pass first or shoot first?

Edit: Look at John Walls USG -> Assit rate. Its not even close.

Kyrie should be looking to improve like Wall. The difference is that Kyrie is too in love with his own shot to pass the ball more.

How could you say that he is not selfish with a 1 : 1 usg -> assist ratio as a PG?

Is he the PG or just the shorter guard? From the few times I've watched and looking at the #s, it seems like Lebron is the point forward.
Also, his turnovers are pretty low. Would you like him more if he averaged 2 more assists and 1 more turnover? That's not a great ratio for a PG if you're counting him as one but it would make his numbers look better.

Wow, you are reading my mind. I was going to post something similar to what you posted. He has never been a true point. As the NBA has evolve I think the traditional names are becoming obsolete. Kyrie Irving is a guard and is an okay player right now but is he playing like what you expect a number one player? Heck no. He is similar to Damian Lillard minus the volume of 3s and accuracy. Plus like I mentioned the fta. Irving Accuracy has gone down from his first 2 years.

Damian Lillard is what Kyrie should be but why has he not grown shooting wise? Is it coaching, role, player synergy?

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea they should be around a .600 team if you replace Love with Melo. Along with Irving

replace Irving with a prime Billups or Lowry and they are a .700 team.

Or Wade or Bosh yup

Irving (I think) is the one that is phuching up that team. He is a selfish prick who just wants to chuck.

I agree. I'd say their problems in order of importance are

1 Lack of depth and poor health (tied)
3 Irving being selfish and overrated
4 Lebron and Love underachieving

Irving gets too much blame, imo. For a guy playing in the Wade role he is at a much lower usg than Wade. I would put Lebron's play at number 2 right after Defense. Lebron is running the show and running it poorly on defense. Offensively he will get his but he is making 2013/2014 Harden look good defensively.

Wade looks to make others better and Kyrie looks like he just wants to score. Don't care for him at all.

Kyrie is at a lower usage than wade because wade had already won and is one of the best guards of all time. Kyrie has done squat. A waste of crazy talent. The days of the cool crossovers are over. Nobody cares anymore ...

Lebron seems to be playing scared on offense not wanting to get hit. He is passing up way too many shots and driving opportunities.

He is at a lower usg and dishing more ast than Wade was in his 1st year with Lebron. Wade was the better player and is one of the greates 2 guards the game had. He is really a throw back guard. He remained efficient because he knew how to get to the line and forced the refs to blow the whistle fall after fall after fall. Irving problem is that he doesn't know how to get to the line. With his dribble and ability he should be getting to the line 8 times a game. That is the real downfall in his game.

I do agree he is too selfish sometimes and that he over dribbles.

I think you're right actually. Selfishness isn't major problem for him. I'd modify what I said before - I'd remove the selfish part but leave the overrated part. I think he's just not good at anything other than scoring, and he's not good enough at scoring to be considered a superstar.

Really? why is such a talented PG averaging so few assists? With his talent, he should be averaging 8+. The issue is, does he want to pass first or shoot first?

Edit: Look at John Walls USG -> Assit rate. Its not even close.

Kyrie should be looking to improve like Wall. The difference is that Kyrie is too in love with his own shot to pass the ball more.

How could you say that he is not selfish with a 1 : 1 usg -> assist ratio as a PG?

Is he the PG or just the shorter guard? From the few times I've watched and looking at the #s, it seems like Lebron is the point forward.
Also, his turnovers are pretty low. Would you like him more if he averaged 2 more assists and 1 more turnover? That's not a great ratio for a PG if you're counting him as one but it would make his numbers look better.

Wow, you are reading my mind. I was going to post something similar to what you posted. He has never been a true point. As the NBA has evolve I think the traditional names are becoming obsolete. Kyrie Irving is a guard and is an okay player right now but is he playing like what you expect a number one player? Heck no. He is similar to Damian Lillard minus the volume of 3s and accuracy. Plus like I mentioned the fta. Irving Accuracy has gone down from his first 2 years.

Damian Lillard is what Kyrie should be but why has he not grown shooting wise? Is it coaching, role, player synergy?

perhaps he should be Lillard (who was not picked #1). He is not in the same galaxy as Lilliard who is a superstar and one of the top players in the league.

Kyrie is suffering from narcissism which is toxic unless somebody slaps it out of you when you are young. He is too in love with himself and his flashy skills.

He is turning into Tyreke as opposed to John Wall. Kid can score but he needs to look to make others better which he does not.

Side note: Both played for Caleperi at Memphis.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Tyreke Evans thats just low. You know who is really turning into Evans offensively? Derrick Rose

Side note: Both played for Caleperi at Memphis.

The diff with Tyreke and Kyrie is that Kyrie can actually shoot while Tyreke can't. They are equally dumb though.

I did not like Rose when he was considered good. Now he just plain sux. Just another example of needed young smart and efficient players. Not young, crazy athletic and dumb players. Sooner or later you slow down and all you are left with is dumb.

Back to Kyrie and Lillard for a moment. Lillard has sky rocketed where Irving has kind of plateaued. Do you take into account that Lillard came into the NBA at 22 yrs old and Kyrie is 22 yrs old now? Lillard grew up in college and Kryie had to learn as a pro.
Maybe Kryie will take a jump like Lillard did when he is 24?