gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:And Mozgoz was a "throw in" in the Melo deal according to many knick fans and media

He was the third string center there for several years. He was resigned and has done better but they got a ton for him. Someone must have given an ultimatum.

It doesn't matter. What matter is Denver got 2 1st round picks for a guy they strong armed the Knicks into giving up.

You said you were against the Carmelo trade. What were your feelings on Mozgov at the time of the trade?

Indifferent. I thought he played great when he finally got a chance because Stat and Shawne were out. My issue was I thought the Knicks should have kept Wilson or Gallo. I really liked Wilson. Moz wasn't a deal breaker for me. One of the Knicks two best young players should have been kept.

I wanted to keep Wilson or Gallo but had no problem giving up both for Melo. 1 of the 2 wasn't enough. My issues was Dolan forcing Walsh to include Mozgov and get the deal done and the picks. Specially the right to swap. One lottery pick shoul've been enough since we gave them Wilson, Gallo, Felton and Mozgov

We gave up more in the deal because Billups was included in the deal and because we made Fields untouchable.

I'm pretty sure Billups was a salary dump. I remember hearing the Knicks were reluctant to add give up Felton. We as fans were very optimistic about the trade until they started asking for Felton & Mozgov. Thats when Stephen A. Smith, Francesa & kay and the likes went on radio saying you give them whatever they want for a player like Melo. Stephen in particular as he mocked felton & mozgov

talk about being wrong... the guy I was infuritated we traded was Felton. He was playing like a beast under MDA and we swapped him for a walk it up guy in Billups. I thought Felton was blossoming into an upper echelon PG under MDA and he may have been... but eventually the only thing that blossomed was his waistline. You never know.

Who is wrong me?
if so you proved my point. The knicks and fans did not want to give up Felton at the time.
I forget if Denver dumped Billups contract on us or the Knicks asked for Billups since Denver wanted Felton. Most likely Denver dumped his contract on us which was far from expiring

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:And Mozgoz was a "throw in" in the Melo deal according to many knick fans and media

He was the third string center there for several years. He was resigned and has done better but they got a ton for him. Someone must have given an ultimatum.

It doesn't matter. What matter is Denver got 2 1st round picks for a guy they strong armed the Knicks into giving up.

You said you were against the Carmelo trade. What were your feelings on Mozgov at the time of the trade?

Indifferent. I thought he played great when he finally got a chance because Stat and Shawne were out. My issue was I thought the Knicks should have kept Wilson or Gallo. I really liked Wilson. Moz wasn't a deal breaker for me. One of the Knicks two best young players should have been kept.

I wanted to keep Wilson or Gallo but had no problem giving up both for Melo. 1 of the 2 wasn't enough. My issues was Dolan forcing Walsh to include Mozgov and get the deal done and the picks. Specially the right to swap. One lottery pick shoul've been enough since we gave them Wilson, Gallo, Felton and Mozgov

We gave up more in the deal because Billups was included in the deal and because we made Fields untouchable.

I'm pretty sure Billups was a salary dump. I remember hearing the Knicks were reluctant to add give up Felton. We as fans were very optimistic about the trade until they started asking for Felton & Mozgov. Thats when Stephen A. Smith, Francesa & kay and the likes went on radio saying you give them whatever they want for a player like Melo. Stephen in particular as he mocked felton & mozgov

talk about being wrong... the guy I was infuritated we traded was Felton. He was playing like a beast under MDA and we swapped him for a walk it up guy in Billups. I thought Felton was blossoming into an upper echelon PG under MDA and he may have been... but eventually the only thing that blossomed was his waistline. You never know.

Did you actually think that Felton was a better player than Billups at that point?

Felton was playing terrible at that point and missing every shot (back to earth).

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:And Mozgoz was a "throw in" in the Melo deal according to many knick fans and media

He was the third string center there for several years. He was resigned and has done better but they got a ton for him. Someone must have given an ultimatum.

It doesn't matter. What matter is Denver got 2 1st round picks for a guy they strong armed the Knicks into giving up.

You said you were against the Carmelo trade. What were your feelings on Mozgov at the time of the trade?

Indifferent. I thought he played great when he finally got a chance because Stat and Shawne were out. My issue was I thought the Knicks should have kept Wilson or Gallo. I really liked Wilson. Moz wasn't a deal breaker for me. One of the Knicks two best young players should have been kept.

I wanted to keep Wilson or Gallo but had no problem giving up both for Melo. 1 of the 2 wasn't enough. My issues was Dolan forcing Walsh to include Mozgov and get the deal done and the picks. Specially the right to swap. One lottery pick shoul've been enough since we gave them Wilson, Gallo, Felton and Mozgov

We gave up more in the deal because Billups was included in the deal and because we made Fields untouchable.

I'm pretty sure Billups was a salary dump. I remember hearing the Knicks were reluctant to add give up Felton. We as fans were very optimistic about the trade until they started asking for Felton & Mozgov. Thats when Stephen A. Smith, Francesa & kay and the likes went on radio saying you give them whatever they want for a player like Melo. Stephen in particular as he mocked felton & mozgov

talk about being wrong... the guy I was infuritated we traded was Felton. He was playing like a beast under MDA and we swapped him for a walk it up guy in Billups. I thought Felton was blossoming into an upper echelon PG under MDA and he may have been... but eventually the only thing that blossomed was his waistline. You never know.

Did you actually think that Felton was a better player than Billups at that point?

Felton was playing terrible at that point and missing every shot (back to earth).

He was playing badly but everyone myself included just figured he was in a slump and would come out of it. Now looking back we know that wasnt the case as he was awful in Denver and Portland