mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:And Bosh last year was at 152 and wade at 149.

Carmelo last season was at 172 and the season before, 184 (14th in the league). Those are excellent numbers.

You are way off base on this.

I mentioned team rankings. You'd have to list all key rotation players and show where those players were on their teams if you wanted to provide evidence inconsistent with what I said. Let's stick with championship teams. I meant that rather than the vague term "contenders"

14th in the league ??

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:And Bosh last year was at 152 and wade at 149.

Carmelo last season was at 172 and the season before, 184 (14th in the league). Those are excellent numbers.

You are way off base on this.

I mentioned team rankings. You'd have to list all key rotation players and show where those players were on their teams if you wanted to provide evidence inconsistent with what I said. Let's stick with championship teams. I meant that rather than the vague term "contenders"

14th in the league ??

Well .166 would have also been behind Mills, Ginobili, and Leonard on the Spurs and basically tied with Duncan and Splitter.

Ginobili and Leonard are top players ... SA is just lucky enough to have so many excellent players. Very rare.

Pop is also so unique and he requires premium efficiency out of his players.

You still need to give 14th in the league the credit it deserves. Any where in the top 30 is excellent. Average is 100.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:And Bosh last year was at 152 and wade at 149.

Carmelo last season was at 172 and the season before, 184 (14th in the league). Those are excellent numbers.

You are way off base on this.

I mentioned team rankings. You'd have to list all key rotation players and show where those players were on their teams if you wanted to provide evidence inconsistent with what I said. Let's stick with championship teams. I meant that rather than the vague term "contenders"

14th in the league ??

Well .166 would have also been behind Mills, Ginobili, and Leonard on the Spurs and basically tied with Duncan and Splitter.

Ginobili and Leonard are top players ... SA is just lucky enough to have so many excellent players. Very rare.

Pop is also so unique and he requires premium efficiency out of his players.

You still need to give 14th in the league the credit it deserves. Any where in the top 30 is excellent. Average is 100.

What credit does it deserve? There are 10 NBA all star starters. So in the best year of his career, he wasn't really playing at the level of an NBA all star starter - more of a borderline 3rd or 4th team all NBA player.

He is about top 15 in the league. Never said or thought that he was top 5.

You seemed to be belittling his WS as if you did not check how good it was.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:And Bosh last year was at 152 and wade at 149.

Carmelo last season was at 172 and the season before, 184 (14th in the league). Those are excellent numbers.

You are way off base on this.

I mentioned team rankings. You'd have to list all key rotation players and show where those players were on their teams if you wanted to provide evidence inconsistent with what I said. Let's stick with championship teams. I meant that rather than the vague term "contenders"

14th in the league ??

Well .166 would have also been behind Mills, Ginobili, and Leonard on the Spurs and basically tied with Duncan and Splitter.

Ginobili and Leonard are top players ... SA is just lucky enough to have so many excellent players. Very rare.

Pop is also so unique and he requires premium efficiency out of his players.

You still need to give 14th in the league the credit it deserves. Any where in the top 30 is excellent. Average is 100.

What credit does it deserve? There are 10 NBA all star starters. So in the best year of his career, he wasn't really playing at the level of an NBA all star starter - more of a borderline 3rd or 4th team all NBA player.

He is about top 15 in the league. Never said or thought that he was top 5.

You seemed to be belittling his WS as if you did not check how good it was.

No, I've checked. I'm aware that it would normally be about 4th on a championship level team. He was top 15 in the league in his one best season. All other years, he's been out of the top 20. I don't see how you could say top 15 unless you're no longer talking about WS. For a team's top player, his WS% is bad.

His TS is not good for a contending teams top player.

His TS as a knick is 166. that is bordering top 20.

Do you consider Chris Anderson to be a top 10 player? Obviously you don't necessarily rank players by WS, especially bench players who may not have diminished returns.

Also, players like Patty Mills may be a product of a great team / system / coach.

And, we all agree that teams really don't win without 2-3 stars. Melo is not a number one star. I do think that he is good enough to be a number 2 while you seem to think that he is a 3 or 4.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:And Bosh last year was at 152 and wade at 149.

Carmelo last season was at 172 and the season before, 184 (14th in the league). Those are excellent numbers.

You are way off base on this.

I mentioned team rankings. You'd have to list all key rotation players and show where those players were on their teams if you wanted to provide evidence inconsistent with what I said. Let's stick with championship teams. I meant that rather than the vague term "contenders"

14th in the league ??

Well .166 would have also been behind Mills, Ginobili, and Leonard on the Spurs and basically tied with Duncan and Splitter.

Ginobili and Leonard are top players ... SA is just lucky enough to have so many excellent players. Very rare.

Pop is also so unique and he requires premium efficiency out of his players.

You still need to give 14th in the league the credit it deserves. Any where in the top 30 is excellent. Average is 100.

What credit does it deserve? There are 10 NBA all star starters. So in the best year of his career, he wasn't really playing at the level of an NBA all star starter - more of a borderline 3rd or 4th team all NBA player.

He is about top 15 in the league. Never said or thought that he was top 5.

You seemed to be belittling his WS as if you did not check how good it was.

No, I've checked. I'm aware that it would normally be about 4th on a championship level team. He was top 15 in the league in his one best season. All other years, he's been out of the top 20. I don't see how you could say top 15 unless you're no longer talking about WS. For a team's top player, his WS% is bad.

His TS is not good for a contending teams top player.

His TS as a knick is 166. that is bordering top 20.

Do you consider Chris Anderson to be a top 10 player? Obviously you don't necessarily rank players by WS, especially bench players who may not have diminished returns.

Also, players like Patty Mills may be a product of a great team / system / coach.

And, we all agree that teams really don't win without 2-3 stars. Melo is not a number one star. I do think that he is good enough to be a number 2 while you seem to think that he is a 3 or 4.

Yeah, those are fair statements. I don't think you'd win a ring with him as the #2 unless Lebron was the #1.

I guess that would depend on many factors. He got to the WCF with his as a 1 (or 2 to billups).

If not for the lakers they win it all in my opinion. They also gave the lakers a run for their money.