holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

its ok to be a little disappointed on how that season ended. It doesnt mean i disregarded the 54 wins, but i expected a deep playoff run. I think thats a extremely fair assessment. Basically i was thrilled with 54 wins but i felt we should have went much further

If you were expecting a deep playoff run then you weren't honest with yourself about the prospects of beating Indiana..

You're not sustaining any logic here. The one consistent thread is you were really happy with the number 54 and nothing else really matters as long as they hit that number. It was a garbage team, but 54 is your way of saying it wasn't even if they played like garbage when it counted. Suit yourself.

We won 54 games on the back of one guy..How about adding other prime players once we shed ""dead salary" that's eating the cap..Don't call me a genius tho...I think that is Phil's plan...

On the back of one guy? So Woodson isn't a genius? Melos just really good?

MDA had the essentially the same team..Maybe it was Herb..

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

its ok to be a little disappointed on how that season ended. It doesnt mean i disregarded the 54 wins, but i expected a deep playoff run. I think thats a extremely fair assessment. Basically i was thrilled with 54 wins but i felt we should have went much further

If you were expecting a deep playoff run then you weren't honest with yourself about the prospects of beating Indiana..

You're not sustaining any logic here. The one consistent thread is you were really happy with the number 54 and nothing else really matters as long as they hit that number. It was a garbage team, but 54 is your way of saying it wasn't even if they played like garbage when it counted. Suit yourself.

We won 54 games on the back of one guy..How about adding other prime players once we shed ""dead salary" that's eating the cap..Don't call me a genius tho...I think that is Phil's plan...

On the back of one guy? So Woodson isn't a genius? Melos just really good?

MDA had the essentially the same team..Maybe it was Herb..

So was it all on Melos back of did Woodson have something to do with it? I don't know why you're bringing up d'antoni like I said he was a good coach.

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:54 wins was nice and all but the early playoff exit kind of put a damper on it.

U have to crawl before u walk and so on..

its ok to be a little disappointed on how that season ended. It doesnt mean i disregarded the 54 wins, but i expected a deep playoff run. I think thats a extremely fair assessment. Basically i was thrilled with 54 wins but i felt we should have went much further

If you were expecting a deep playoff run then you weren't honest with yourself about the prospects of beating Indiana..

You're not sustaining any logic here. The one consistent thread is you were really happy with the number 54 and nothing else really matters as long as they hit that number. It was a garbage team, but 54 is your way of saying it wasn't even if they played like garbage when it counted. Suit yourself.

We won 54 games on the back of one guy..How about adding other prime players once we shed ""dead salary" that's eating the cap..Don't call me a genius tho...I think that is Phil's plan...

On the back of one guy? So Woodson isn't a genius? Melos just really good?

MDA had the essentially the same team..Maybe it was Herb..

So was it all on Melos back of did Woodson have something to do with it? I don't know why you're bringing up d'antoni like I said he was a good coach.

What u wrote is confusing both times ..I think u are questioning me saying Woody won with one player or with Melo carrying the load..U have a problem with that?

we beat Boston but the softness that was this team showed in the playoffs. We let Boston back in the series that left us gassed for Indy, who was the favorite.

While disappointed it showed a lack of mental toughness and by that time we were not a deep roster. Melo has to do too much and JR was full of himself. This was when he was shown high in the club staring at Rrianna's arse and had elbow problems.

It was a good season and Woodson did a very good job with what he had. We had at one time the oldest roster I thought in NBA history, certainly of that season!!!

No need to argue how to like your team. 54 win and second round beating was a good season for this team. If you can enjoy it all the better. If you are morally erect to stand up and argue that "Playoff wins trump reg season wins" then have at it.

Winning chips is no easy task. If one can't fine enjoyment in the season and your team has little chance of a chip then its kind of a waste if you ask me. Its about having fun. Nobody likes losing, but its not like the few UKers level of contentment really determines Dolans plans.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:A 54 win team does raise expectations. Jump out to a strong start is a good thing.
I think Melo carried the team into april for two straight years down the stretch.

we beat Boston but the softness that was this team showed in the playoffs. We let Boston back in the series that left us gassed for Indy, who was the favorite.

While disappointed it showed a lack of mental toughness and by that time we were not a deep roster. Melo has to do too much and JR was full of himself. This was when he was shown high in the club staring at Rrianna's arse and had elbow problems.

It was a good season and Woodson did a very good job with what he had. We had at one time the oldest roster I thought in NBA history, certainly of that season!!!

No need to argue how to like your team. 54 win and second round beating was a good season for this team. If you can enjoy it all the better. If you are morally erect to stand up and argue that "Playoff wins trump reg season wins" then have at it.

Winning chips is no easy task. If one can't fine enjoyment in the season and your team has little chance of a chip then its kind of a waste if you ask me. Its about having fun. Nobody likes losing, but its not like the few UKers level of contentment really determines Dolans plans.

Im happy with the season. However Boston was depleted and we were up 3-0 so it should have been a sweep. Jr Smith is a big culprit of that.

I alluded to that. The team did not have the killer instinct to put the heal in their throat and finish them. Instead they clowned around and wore black to "their funeral". Boston while depleted and gassed was still a very prideful team with Doc, Pierce and Garnett and while they really had nothing to play for when their backs were up and disrespected they made the knicks play hard and perhaps ruined any playoff run they might have had. The Talented Nugget Trio of Kenyon, Melo and Smith did not show real toughness which is how playoffs are won. By not killing off boston, they used up valuable energy.

Miami learned a tough lesson by clowning Dallas and they fought back to win a championship that Miami had in their hands!!!

If Melo has learned this, well see it in a playoff run. In the future of course......

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:A 54 win team does raise expectations. Jump out to a strong start is a good thing.
I think Melo carried the team into april for two straight years down the stretch.

we beat Boston but the softness that was this team showed in the playoffs. We let Boston back in the series that left us gassed for Indy, who was the favorite.

While disappointed it showed a lack of mental toughness and by that time we were not a deep roster. Melo has to do too much and JR was full of himself. This was when he was shown high in the club staring at Rrianna's arse and had elbow problems.

It was a good season and Woodson did a very good job with what he had. We had at one time the oldest roster I thought in NBA history, certainly of that season!!!

No need to argue how to like your team. 54 win and second round beating was a good season for this team. If you can enjoy it all the better. If you are morally erect to stand up and argue that "Playoff wins trump reg season wins" then have at it.

Winning chips is no easy task. If one can't fine enjoyment in the season and your team has little chance of a chip then its kind of a waste if you ask me. Its about having fun. Nobody likes losing, but its not like the few UKers level of contentment really determines Dolans plans.

Im happy with the season. However Boston was depleted and we were up 3-0 so it should have been a sweep. Jr Smith is a big culprit of that.

I alluded to that. The team did not have the killer instinct to put the heal in their throat and finish them. Instead they clowned around and wore black to "their funeral". Boston while depleted and gassed was still a very prideful team with Doc, Pierce and Garnett and while they really had nothing to play for when their backs were up and disrespected they made the knicks play hard and perhaps ruined any playoff run they might have had. The Talented Nugget Trio of Kenyon, Melo and Smith did not show real toughness which is how playoffs are won. By not killing off boston, they used up valuable energy.

Miami learned a tough lesson by clowning Dallas and they fought back to win a championship that Miami had in their hands!!!

If Melo has learned this, well see it in a playoff run. In the future of course......

I've said a few times that i feel melo fits best as the 2nd or 3rd guy. He needs to play with soemone who is a overall better talent however its tough to find players like that

Realistically, how many guys out there could you find for Melo to be the third option??..Barkley said he is the best scorer in the league..So who do u envision him playing with that there will be another or two possible better options??

nyk4ever wrote:i bet spurs fans were saying the same garbage about gregg poppovich when he started in san antonio and tried to build a culture of winning. his first season the spurs went 17-47 under his guidance. the previous few years under bob hill the team won 59, 62, 55 with exits before the finals. i'm sure everyone was pining for hill to come back while gregg poppovich led the team to a 17-47 record. it takes TIME to tear things down and build a culture. sure we can bring woodson back and play iso-ball with melo and let him take us to the 6th seed in the playoffs, but have no real chance to win anything. fisher is very astute and he will be a great head coach in due time.

You are looking at it the wrong way..No knock on Fisher, he has lots to learn...You can't recognize what Woodosn has done given the circumstances??..

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i bet spurs fans were saying the same garbage about gregg poppovich when he started in san antonio and tried to build a culture of winning. his first season the spurs went 17-47 under his guidance. the previous few years under bob hill the team won 59, 62, 55 with exits before the finals. i'm sure everyone was pining for hill to come back while gregg poppovich led the team to a 17-47 record. it takes TIME to tear things down and build a culture. sure we can bring woodson back and play iso-ball with melo and let him take us to the 6th seed in the playoffs, but have no real chance to win anything. fisher is very astute and he will be a great head coach in due time.

You are looking at it the wrong way..No knock on Fisher, he has lots to learn...You can't recognize what Woodosn has done given the circumstances??..

i just don't think woodson is a good coach bro. never did. he was known as a defensive guy and never got his point across here, he basically just let carmelo do whatever he wanted. sure it netted us some wins and even a playoff series victory, but that's as far as it could go, that's why his hawks teams never did better either. he was serviceable but good coach and wanting him back? not a chance.

holfresh wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Lets play canonise the former Knick who we just spent several years blasting- that game never gets old!

I think a few of us was saying he was doing a decent enough job and wasn't the guy to blame...His record between MDA and Fisher should prove that out..In the
end he got no support from management and was a lame duck..That's where he lost the players..

He had a good record with us, but his switching and refusal to change it drove me insane!

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i bet spurs fans were saying the same garbage about gregg poppovich when he started in san antonio and tried to build a culture of winning. his first season the spurs went 17-47 under his guidance. the previous few years under bob hill the team won 59, 62, 55 with exits before the finals. i'm sure everyone was pining for hill to come back while gregg poppovich led the team to a 17-47 record. it takes TIME to tear things down and build a culture. sure we can bring woodson back and play iso-ball with melo and let him take us to the 6th seed in the playoffs, but have no real chance to win anything. fisher is very astute and he will be a great head coach in due time.

You are looking at it the wrong way..No knock on Fisher, he has lots to learn...You can't recognize what Woodosn has done given the circumstances??..

i just don't think woodson is a good coach bro. never did. he was known as a defensive guy and never got his point across here, he basically just let carmelo do whatever he wanted. sure it netted us some wins and even a playoff series victory, but that's as far as it could go, that's why his hawks teams never did better either. he was serviceable but good coach and wanting him back? not a chance.

You don't have to think he was a good coach is really the point..His record speaks for itself..We now see what it took to win here don't we...We didn't have the talent to go further nor did the Hawks..Fact remains he took us as far as we could go and we are seeing it now aren't we..

but don't we already know that?