CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Melo has already done things in NY with the KNicks that hadn't been done in decades. He is too good not to keep around in my opinion.

What? He won a scoring title. Big deal.

agreed not sure what he is refering to. I mean the 90s knicks did much more than since melo has been here.

It was a weird statement. I think Crush may reflect on that and change his tune.

i give melo part credit for the 54 win season but tyson and even jr smith were just as important along with some veterans.

Knicks hadn't hit 50 wins for the previous 14 years prior to winning 54 and the Atlantic.. They hadn't won the atlantic in 19 years. They hadn't been out of the first round since the year they went to the finals. The Knicks hadn't won over 50 games in 16 years.
It would have been great if the team was rebuilding 'the right way' all of those losing years but they weren't. They have one guy that is an nba starter on their roster.

well you said decades which wasnt true. Secondly i gave him credit for that season however he wasnt alone. Hell i hate jr smith but he was another major reason we won 54 games.

Sorry. Nineteen years felt like over two decades.

19 years isnt accurate either. In 1999 we were in the finals and 2000 the eastern conference finals. Sure we won 54 games but we had a early playoff exit which is kind of theme for melos career

Nineteen years is accurate. I said it had been 19 years since the Knicks won the Atlantic. Maybe you should stop saying you like Melo. No big deal if you don't. A lot of guys don't.

im talking more about playoff advancement then winning a division. Secondly dont tell me what i feel. I have defended melo quite a bit. I think he is underrated by some. However im also not afraid to be critical of ANY player or point out their flaws

Don't say I am wrong if I say it was 19 years since they won the Atlantic. That is a fact. I don't think I said it had been 19 years in regards to anything else.

i apologize if i misread. Im at work so i probably was distracted

No problem. Hope you get to watch the game.

fishmike wrote:Where were all these BS posts 2 years ago? When Melo was 3rd in MVP voting and we won 54 games.

I've been against Melo from very early on, once it was clear that he would never change his me-first mentality and game becoming of winning players.

fishmike wrote:When Melo has been on good teams he's made those teams better, often MUCH better. When Melo's teammates suck and guys dont hit shots the style of play that ensues is brutal to watch and I dont want to watch Iso-Melo enroute to the lottery any more than anyone else does.

Uh, no. He has never made a "good team" better, if by "better" you mean going deep into the playoffs. Let's face it - Melo has a "Loser's Mentality".

Knicks1969 wrote:You can't blame our record on Carmelo...we are not very talented. Our boys ant make shots even when they are wide open. Check out tonight's game; Carmelo and Smith are both not on the floor

Actually, you can. Melo forced himself here and we lost all our assets. This is all his doing.

NYKBocker wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:You can't blame our record on Carmelo...we are not very talented. Our boys ant make shots even when they are wide open. Check out tonight's game; Carmelo and Smith are both not on the floor

Actually, you can. Melo forced himself here and we lost all our assets. This is all his doing.

Dude please! This franchise is notorious on waisting assets. Was it Melo's fault they gave 100 millions to Alan Houston,Marbury, etc.?

stanleybostitch wrote:What do these things have in common?

• A culture "resistant to change".


• Players who only play defense "when they feel like it".


• Ball-stopping ISOs.


• Disdain of the triangle.


• Very low BBIQ.

It's time to move on from Melo. He doesn't get it and never will. Trade him for a bag of peanuts, whatever we can get, exorcising the Garden of his me-first attitude and declining skills will pay dividends.

This will be a test to see if Phil truly has the juice. If Dolan stays on the sidelines and lets Phil fix the team, starting with Melo, then the Knicks have a bright future. If not...I guess we'll continue to redefine what "long suffering" means to us fans.

Thoughts on who/what we can get for Melo?

I'm not as hard on him as you are but I generally agree, we're not going to win with him, we shouldn't have done that ridiculous trade for him in the first place,and we should now move on (if we can, that no trade clause though...)I think Phil's biggest mistake was not blowing this team up completely and starting from scratch with a young squad that he could mold. Would have allowed Fish to develop in a less stressful situation too.

TripleThreat wrote:

The problem with any "rebuild" for the Knicks is that they will likely be bad/horrible in 2016 (Sorry, it's just not as simple as some here make it out to be to draft a blue chip contributor who will immediately pay dividends ( also a lot of people here almost seem to take it for granted that the Knicks will absolutely have the first or second pick in the draft, which means winning the lottery) and then signing impact free agents)

IMHO, I still believe the best the Knicks can do right now is to attempt to trade Melo to the Toronto Raptors...

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Melo has already done things in NY with the KNicks that hadn't been done in decades. He is too good not to keep around in my opinion.

What? He won a scoring title. Big deal.

agreed not sure what he is refering to. I mean the 90s knicks did much more than since melo has been here.

It was a weird statement. I think Crush may reflect on that and change his tune.

i give melo part credit for the 54 win season but tyson and even jr smith were just as important along with some veterans.

Knicks hadn't hit 50 wins for the previous 14 years prior to winning 54 and the Atlantic.. They hadn't won the atlantic in 19 years. They hadn't been out of the first round since the year they went to the finals. The Knicks hadn't won over 50 games in 16 years.
It would have been great if the team was rebuilding 'the right way' all of those losing years but they weren't. They have one guy that is an nba starter on their roster.

Sorry, but the only fans who give this stuff significance are the ones who settle for mediocrity. That was a crap team. Started hot, then couldn't play .500 ball for half the season and went into a freefall until Kurt Thomas played hero in Utah. Then they went on a hot streak against a soft schedule and teams that were tanking or resting up for the playoffs, the perfect time to pad their record. It was a phony BS team that played well in spurts, but was inconsistent and unreliable and proved to be a completely inept team when faced with real opposition in the playoffs. Besides, they were real jokers (even with the supposed vet leadership on the team that year) and they almost embarrassed themselves as the Celtics fought back after the Knicks made jackazzes of themselves with their funeral black. A dumb team then just as they are now. Your desperate hunger for success has blinded you to accept garbage and call it an accomplishment. That was a horrible team.

That season Melo played 67games, Felton played 68games, Tyson played 66games, Shumpert played 45games, Amare played 29games. They dealt with a lot of up and downs throughout the season but kept finding ways to win games which is the sign for a good team.

Chandler, Kidd, Melo, Jr & Felton(that season) complimented each other very well. Chandler & Kidd did the little things to cover Melo's weaknesses. Melo provided the scoring load which they aren't cappable of doing. Kidd also reduced Felton & Jr's responsibilities and allow them to stay within themselves.

Pretty much we needed to replace the high IQ glue intangible stuff that Kidd(& Rasheed & Kurt) brought to the table. While upgrading from Felton with a real 2nd scoring option in the starting lineup.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Melo has already done things in NY with the KNicks that hadn't been done in decades. He is too good not to keep around in my opinion.

What? He won a scoring title. Big deal.

agreed not sure what he is refering to. I mean the 90s knicks did much more than since melo has been here.

It was a weird statement. I think Crush may reflect on that and change his tune.

i give melo part credit for the 54 win season but tyson and even jr smith were just as important along with some veterans.

Knicks hadn't hit 50 wins for the previous 14 years prior to winning 54 and the Atlantic.. They hadn't won the atlantic in 19 years. They hadn't been out of the first round since the year they went to the finals. The Knicks hadn't won over 50 games in 16 years.
It would have been great if the team was rebuilding 'the right way' all of those losing years but they weren't. They have one guy that is an nba starter on their roster.

Sorry, but the only fans who give this stuff significance are the ones who settle for mediocrity. That was a crap team. Started hot, then couldn't play .500 ball for half the season and went into a freefall until Kurt Thomas played hero in Utah. Then they went on a hot streak against a soft schedule and teams that were tanking or resting up for the playoffs, the perfect time to pad their record. It was a phony BS team that played well in spurts, but was inconsistent and unreliable and proved to be a completely inept team when faced with real opposition in the playoffs. Besides, they were real jokers (even with the supposed vet leadership on the team that year) and they almost embarrassed themselves as the Celtics fought back after the Knicks made jackazzes of themselves with their funeral black. A dumb team then just as they are now. Your desperate hunger for success has blinded you to accept garbage and call it an accomplishment. That was a horrible team.

That season Melo played 67games, Felton played 68games, Tyson played 66games, Shumpert played 45games, Amare played 29games. They dealt with a lot of up and downs throughout the season but kept finding ways to win games which is the sign for a good team.

Chandler, Kidd, Melo, Jr & Felton(that season) complimented each other very well. Chandler & Kidd did the little things to cover Melo's weaknesses. Melo provided the scoring load which they aren't cappable of doing. Kidd also reduced Felton & Jr's responsibilities and allow them to stay within themselves.

Pretty much we needed to replace the high IQ glue intangible stuff that Kidd(& Rasheed & Kurt) brought to the table. While upgrading from Felton with a real 2nd scoring option in the starting lineup.

They had a 13 game winning streak with wins @Mia, @Atl and @OKC during that run...

But yea... that team was "horrible"

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo's... a rich dumb jock.

Good Honest Post.....

Well we can agree on that last point. The rest, not so much.

NYKBocker wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:You can't blame our record on Carmelo...we are not very talented. Our boys ant make shots even when they are wide open. Check out tonight's game; Carmelo and Smith are both not on the floor

Actually, you can. Melo forced himself here and we lost all our assets. This is all his doing.

Forced himself? How he do that? He was traded here and the general sentiment was the GM at the time was against it.
Did Stern force Melo and then plucked the players to be sent? Nope.
Did starphuch munchkins get into Walsh's head and manipulated the trade? Nope.
Did Mooby starved fans storm the palace? Nope.
Did anyone put a gun to Dolans head and make the trade? nope.

Melo was traded here by an owner who wanted a star to promote.

We could have passed and Melo would be a Net.

Wait, perhaps sarcasm is detected?

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:Where were all these BS posts 2 years ago? When Melo was 3rd in MVP voting and we won 54 games.

What did Melo do differently that season that he's not doing this year or last

That is my simple question, which the emotional turtles of Ultimate Knicks simply cannot answer.

Melo is NOT Lebron, Shaq, Durant or the generational type of player that can take any cast of average players and win them 50 games and get into the second round with. He's NEVER been that caliber player, despite considering himself their peer.

This is not rocket science. Can you folks stomach to actually look at what has happened in the last 2 years?
- JR went from 6th man of the year to being too stoned and hurt to play last year. Huge performance drop
- Felton went from being a good NBA player to a terrible one. Huge performance drop
- Tyson Chandler went from all star to bad. He was awful last year. Huge performance drop
- Bargs was added to upgrade the talent and cushion the loss of some of the vets. He's done NOTHING since being here.
- THjr, Shump, etc.. Knicks have not developed ONE young player who helps the rotation. One is as inconsistent as the next. Most as just bad.

I mention these most obvious of things and I am labeled a Melo loving apologist.

When Melo has been on good teams he's made those teams better, often MUCH better. When Melo's teammates suck and guys dont hit shots the style of play that ensues is brutal to watch and I dont want to watch Iso-Melo enroute to the lottery any more than anyone else does.

Melo's mouth does nothing to help endear him to fans. I dont care about that either. He's not punching or raping women, killing people driving drunk or beating his kid bloody. He's a rich dumb jock.

Good Honest Post.....

Agreed. Knicks fans blast all their players until they are traded, then a season later they canonise them as gods and blast the team for trading them. See Tyson Chandler.

tyson chandler should have been traded. He does not make us a winner.

the issues is what we got for him.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:Where were all these BS posts 2 years ago? When Melo was 3rd in MVP voting and we won 54 games.

What did Melo do differently that season that he's not doing this year or last

That is my simple question, which the emotional turtles of Ultimate Knicks simply cannot answer.

Melo is NOT Lebron, Shaq, Durant or the generational type of player that can take any cast of average players and win them 50 games and get into the second round with. He's NEVER been that caliber player, despite considering himself their peer.

This is not rocket science. Can you folks stomach to actually look at what has happened in the last 2 years?
- JR went from 6th man of the year to being too stoned and hurt to play last year. Huge performance drop
- Felton went from being a good NBA player to a terrible one. Huge performance drop
- Tyson Chandler went from all star to bad. He was awful last year. Huge performance drop
- Bargs was added to upgrade the talent and cushion the loss of some of the vets. He's done NOTHING since being here.
- THjr, Shump, etc.. Knicks have not developed ONE young player who helps the rotation. One is as inconsistent as the next. Most as just bad.

I mention these most obvious of things and I am labeled a Melo loving apologist.

When Melo has been on good teams he's made those teams better, often MUCH better. When Melo's teammates suck and guys dont hit shots the style of play that ensues is brutal to watch and I dont want to watch Iso-Melo enroute to the lottery any more than anyone else does.

Melo's mouth does nothing to help endear him to fans. I dont care about that either. He's not punching or raping women, killing people driving drunk or beating his kid bloody. He's a rich dumb jock.

Good Honest Post.....

Agreed. Knicks fans blast all their players until they are traded, then a season later they canonise them as gods and blast the team for trading them. See Tyson Chandler.

tyson chandler should have been traded. He does not make us a winner.

the issues is what we got for him.

I don't disagree, but no one on this roster makes us a winner.

so what. there was no reason to keep him around