Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is a plan in place. Phil won't say it because it's not right to but we must keep losing to get better. With losses comes higher first and second round pick. With that comes infusion of talent. This team needs serious talent up grade.

No way the plan in place from jump season was Tank

You can talk yourself into it by looking at today's results

But my intelligence will not be insulted by it

Oh no? So even if you believe Plan A was to win this year, you still think Phil didn't have a strong Plan B involving tanking readily in mind? And you don't think he wouldn't pivot into Plan B without a second of hesitation once he surmised as much?

There are plenty of signposts planted over 22 games that show this team repeatedly losing games that are not normal vanilla bad luck. It has turned the corner from incidental to orchestrated and you're saying you're too smart to see this? Come on.

The point is even if Phil thought the players would gel enough to put out some kind of interim product, to suggest he didn't have a ready scenario that would get fully behind a tank if the team didn't mesh defies belief.

Naahhh this team is losing games

Much the same they did last year

You couldn't come up with the ways we lost last yr

And we've remained on the same course this yr

We're just that bad but it's so alarming and hard for some to accept

It's the truth, if he wanted to resort to Plan B

Then we should be seeing heavy doses of Wear-Larkin-THJR-ACY

I mean Fisher got biched out by Amar'e first couple weeks

Plugging him into the starting lineup

And you can't publicly punk trash the guys you're playing

If you're trying to lose games

It would only to prove to backfire in the long run

The Panicking of timeouts, playing guys who are hot

Threatening the guys they could be gone in December

Doesn't add up

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is a plan in place. Phil won't say it because it's not right to but we must keep losing to get better. With losses comes higher first and second round pick. With that comes infusion of talent. This team needs serious talent up grade.

No way the plan in place from jump season was Tank

You can talk yourself into it by looking at today's results

But my intelligence will not be insulted by it

Oh no? So even if you believe Plan A was to win this year, you still think Phil didn't have a strong Plan B involving tanking readily in mind? And you don't think he wouldn't pivot into Plan B without a second of hesitation once he surmised as much?

There are plenty of signposts planted over 22 games that show this team repeatedly losing games that are not normal vanilla bad luck. It has turned the corner from incidental to orchestrated and you're saying you're too smart to see this? Come on.

The point is even if Phil thought the players would gel enough to put out some kind of interim product, to suggest he didn't have a ready scenario that would get fully behind a tank if the team didn't mesh defies belief.

Naahhh this team is losing games

Much the same they did last year

You couldn't come up with the ways we lost last yr

And we've remained on the same course this yr

We're just that bad but it's so alarming and hard for some to accept

It's the truth, if he wanted to resort to Plan B

Then we should be seeing heavy doses of Wear-Larkin-THJR-ACY

I mean Fisher got biched out by Amar'e first couple weeks

Plugging him into the starting lineup

And you can't publicly punk trash the guys you're playing

If you're trying to lose games

It would only to prove to backfire in the long run

The Panicking of timeouts, playing guys who are hot

Threatening the guys they could be gone in December

Doesn't add up

Fair enough.

So, me asks, by your accounting then, did Melo just stand there and behave like a doorman and watch Kemba waltz in for a layup because he is a fuktard?

I was trying to give Melo an out by saying it was his contribution to the tank, because that was one of the worst examples I've ever seen of laying down and dying like a miserable, no good dog. It disgusted me, but put it into the context of complicit tanking, I could swallow it.

So, fuktard or co-conspirator?

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is a plan in place. Phil won't say it because it's not right to but we must keep losing to get better. With losses comes higher first and second round pick. With that comes infusion of talent. This team needs serious talent up grade.

No way the plan in place from jump season was Tank

You can talk yourself into it by looking at today's results

But my intelligence will not be insulted by it

Oh no? So even if you believe Plan A was to win this year, you still think Phil didn't have a strong Plan B involving tanking readily in mind? And you don't think he wouldn't pivot into Plan B without a second of hesitation once he surmised as much?

There are plenty of signposts planted over 22 games that show this team repeatedly losing games that are not normal vanilla bad luck. It has turned the corner from incidental to orchestrated and you're saying you're too smart to see this? Come on.

The point is even if Phil thought the players would gel enough to put out some kind of interim product, to suggest he didn't have a ready scenario that would get fully behind a tank if the team didn't mesh defies belief.

Naahhh this team is losing games

Much the same they did last year

You couldn't come up with the ways we lost last yr

And we've remained on the same course this yr

We're just that bad but it's so alarming and hard for some to accept

It's the truth, if he wanted to resort to Plan B

Then we should be seeing heavy doses of Wear-Larkin-THJR-ACY

I mean Fisher got biched out by Amar'e first couple weeks

Plugging him into the starting lineup

And you can't publicly punk trash the guys you're playing

If you're trying to lose games

It would only to prove to backfire in the long run

The Panicking of timeouts, playing guys who are hot

Threatening the guys they could be gone in December

Doesn't add up

This year is different because the team wasn't coming in with the same coach as the previous season.

This year is different because it is about developing a young new coach, some young players and reconditioning some vets.

This year is different because they went in with the notion that this was going to be about establishing a new culture and system, which could be difficult. It could take some time and would expose those who can't cut it.

Nothing has really changed with the poor start. This team is still going to have a ton of guys come off the cap. This team still has a Draft Pick. Basically the only issue is that the Media and some fans are Trolling the team and not using any sense of reason about what this season is all about.
This was a tough job even if everyone was healthy and if everything worked out perfectly in adjusting to the new culture, which it hasn't. People were clamoring for Jason Kidd to be fired early last year too, so it just exposes the LAME ASS Fans who have no patience or sense of reason. People need to chill the freak out and let this process play out. There's literally no reason to panic of be overly critical at this stage of the process. Sure it's frustrating but we have options for the future no matter what happens this season.

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is a plan in place. Phil won't say it because it's not right to but we must keep losing to get better. With losses comes higher first and second round pick. With that comes infusion of talent. This team needs serious talent up grade.

No way the plan in place from jump season was Tank

You can talk yourself into it by looking at today's results

But my intelligence will not be insulted by it

Oh no? So even if you believe Plan A was to win this year, you still think Phil didn't have a strong Plan B involving tanking readily in mind? And you don't think he wouldn't pivot into Plan B without a second of hesitation once he surmised as much?

There are plenty of signposts planted over 22 games that show this team repeatedly losing games that are not normal vanilla bad luck. It has turned the corner from incidental to orchestrated and you're saying you're too smart to see this? Come on.

The point is even if Phil thought the players would gel enough to put out some kind of interim product, to suggest he didn't have a ready scenario that would get fully behind a tank if the team didn't mesh defies belief.

Naahhh this team is losing games

Much the same they did last year

You couldn't come up with the ways we lost last yr

And we've remained on the same course this yr

We're just that bad but it's so alarming and hard for some to accept

It's the truth, if he wanted to resort to Plan B

Then we should be seeing heavy doses of Wear-Larkin-THJR-ACY

I mean Fisher got biched out by Amar'e first couple weeks

Plugging him into the starting lineup

And you can't publicly punk trash the guys you're playing

If you're trying to lose games

It would only to prove to backfire in the long run

The Panicking of timeouts, playing guys who are hot

Threatening the guys they could be gone in December

Doesn't add up

Fair enough.

So, me asks, by your accounting then, did Melo just stand there and behave like a doorman and watch Kemba waltz in for a layup because he is a fuktard?

Well yeah but you only mentioned 1 FT

There were at least 2 other FTs on that play

Splat wrote:I was trying to give Melo an out by saying it was his contribution to the tank, because that was one of the worst examples I've ever seen of laying down and dying like a miserable, no good dog. It disgusted me, but put it into the context of complicit tanking, I could swallow it.

So, fuktard or co-conspirator?

Melo isn't smart enough to co-conspire

Nor does he have the ability to decree any basketball related plan

Have you not listened to this guy, this past offseason in particular

He has no particles or chromosome strands of smart gene zippo-nada-zilch

But he sleeps on plush and his desire to win is quelled

By his yearning for his safe to be full of Monopoly money

So FT it is

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is a plan in place. Phil won't say it because it's not right to but we must keep losing to get better. With losses comes higher first and second round pick. With that comes infusion of talent. This team needs serious talent up grade.

No way the plan in place from jump season was Tank

You can talk yourself into it by looking at today's results

But my intelligence will not be insulted by it

Oh no? So even if you believe Plan A was to win this year, you still think Phil didn't have a strong Plan B involving tanking readily in mind? And you don't think he wouldn't pivot into Plan B without a second of hesitation once he surmised as much?

There are plenty of signposts planted over 22 games that show this team repeatedly losing games that are not normal vanilla bad luck. It has turned the corner from incidental to orchestrated and you're saying you're too smart to see this? Come on.

The point is even if Phil thought the players would gel enough to put out some kind of interim product, to suggest he didn't have a ready scenario that would get fully behind a tank if the team didn't mesh defies belief.

Naahhh this team is losing games

Much the same they did last year

You couldn't come up with the ways we lost last yr

And we've remained on the same course this yr

We're just that bad but it's so alarming and hard for some to accept

It's the truth, if he wanted to resort to Plan B

Then we should be seeing heavy doses of Wear-Larkin-THJR-ACY

I mean Fisher got biched out by Amar'e first couple weeks

Plugging him into the starting lineup

And you can't publicly punk trash the guys you're playing

If you're trying to lose games

It would only to prove to backfire in the long run

The Panicking of timeouts, playing guys who are hot

Threatening the guys they could be gone in December

Doesn't add up

This year is different because the team wasn't coming in with the same coach as the previous season.

This year is different because it is about developing a young new coach, some young players and reconditioning some vets.

This year is different because they went in with the notion that this was going to be about establishing a new culture and system, which could be difficult. It could take some time and would expose those who can't cut it.

Nothing has really changed with the poor start. This team is still going to have a ton of guys come off the cap. This team still has a Draft Pick. Basically the only issue is that the Media and some fans are Trolling the team and not using any sense of reason about what this season is all about.
This was a tough job even if everyone was healthy and if everything worked out perfectly in adjusting to the new culture, which it hasn't. People were clamoring for Jason Kidd to be fired early last year too, so it just exposes the LAME ASS Fans who have no patience or sense of reason. People need to chill the freak out and let this process play out. There's literally no reason to panic of be overly critical at this stage of the process. Sure it's frustrating but we have options for the future no matter what happens this season.

You cant be serious. This team is worse than even the naysayers were saying, but you werent saying that then. No need to flip flop like you knew it would be tough.

What happened to all the we have Phil and Fisher and Calderon talk? All three are failing. Phil has NOT changed the culture as of yet, Fisher is no better today than he was when hired. And Calderon is stil the same loser he's always been.

Better hope some players are duped into this supposed mystique of Phil Jackson the executive.

He is and his first 3 lines

Read of lapse into surrender and of utter pointlessness

Then he comes back out of it into the dribble be merciful and kind

Towards this 50 win team, they'll get there soon enough[NEXT YEAR THAT IS]

gunsnewing wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is a plan in place. Phil won't say it because it's not right to but we must keep losing to get better. With losses comes higher first and second round pick. With that comes infusion of talent. This team needs serious talent up grade.

No way the plan in place from jump season was Tank

You can talk yourself into it by looking at today's results

But my intelligence will not be insulted by it

Oh no? So even if you believe Plan A was to win this year, you still think Phil didn't have a strong Plan B involving tanking readily in mind? And you don't think he wouldn't pivot into Plan B without a second of hesitation once he surmised as much?

There are plenty of signposts planted over 22 games that show this team repeatedly losing games that are not normal vanilla bad luck. It has turned the corner from incidental to orchestrated and you're saying you're too smart to see this? Come on.

The point is even if Phil thought the players would gel enough to put out some kind of interim product, to suggest he didn't have a ready scenario that would get fully behind a tank if the team didn't mesh defies belief.

Naahhh this team is losing games

Much the same they did last year

You couldn't come up with the ways we lost last yr

And we've remained on the same course this yr

We're just that bad but it's so alarming and hard for some to accept

It's the truth, if he wanted to resort to Plan B

Then we should be seeing heavy doses of Wear-Larkin-THJR-ACY

I mean Fisher got biched out by Amar'e first couple weeks

Plugging him into the starting lineup

And you can't publicly punk trash the guys you're playing

If you're trying to lose games

It would only to prove to backfire in the long run

The Panicking of timeouts, playing guys who are hot

Threatening the guys they could be gone in December

Doesn't add up

I don't think you are privy to the reason why we haven't abandoned the vets in favor of the Wear & Thanasis' yet. They will move who they can and then you will start to see the young guys get the majority minutes. We are only 1 month into the season. What message would playing the bench in November send to the "dumb" season ticket holders? Come February they will be so buried no one will give a ****. Then you plays the Wears

You think "dumb season ticket holders" want

To see Jason Smith and J.R. Smith get sweaty and lathered

Are you kidding, you saw what happened with Jeremy Lin right

You saw what happened with Landry Fields

You saw what happened with Nate Robsinson, get real

The fans want to see this team win, although dumb they may be

That's called dumb luck.

Most fans don't want draft picks. But if you go back to 97 & 2003 and hand them Tim Duncan & Lebron they will googoo for gaga over them. Thats after pleading for Dolan to move them for Josh Smith and Dolan doing all he can to appease them with no success

Yes as of the here and now, they may not be concerned with the 2015 pick

But when young talent is on the team, these dumb fans want to see them play

The 3 players I listed in their first season with us

These same fans adored and rooted for them like no other

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is a plan in place. Phil won't say it because it's not right to but we must keep losing to get better. With losses comes higher first and second round pick. With that comes infusion of talent. This team needs serious talent up grade.

No way the plan in place from jump season was Tank

You can talk yourself into it by looking at today's results

But my intelligence will not be insulted by it

Oh no? So even if you believe Plan A was to win this year, you still think Phil didn't have a strong Plan B involving tanking readily in mind? And you don't think he wouldn't pivot into Plan B without a second of hesitation once he surmised as much?

There are plenty of signposts planted over 22 games that show this team repeatedly losing games that are not normal vanilla bad luck. It has turned the corner from incidental to orchestrated and you're saying you're too smart to see this? Come on.

The point is even if Phil thought the players would gel enough to put out some kind of interim product, to suggest he didn't have a ready scenario that would get fully behind a tank if the team didn't mesh defies belief.

Naahhh this team is losing games

Much the same they did last year

You couldn't come up with the ways we lost last yr

And we've remained on the same course this yr

We're just that bad but it's so alarming and hard for some to accept

It's the truth, if he wanted to resort to Plan B

Then we should be seeing heavy doses of Wear-Larkin-THJR-ACY

I mean Fisher got biched out by Amar'e first couple weeks

Plugging him into the starting lineup

And you can't publicly punk trash the guys you're playing

If you're trying to lose games

It would only to prove to backfire in the long run

The Panicking of timeouts, playing guys who are hot

Threatening the guys they could be gone in December

Doesn't add up

Fair enough.

So, me asks, by your accounting then, did Melo just stand there and behave like a doorman and watch Kemba waltz in for a layup because he is a fuktard?

Well yeah but you only mentioned 1 FT

There were at least 2 other FTs on that play

Splat wrote:I was trying to give Melo an out by saying it was his contribution to the tank, because that was one of the worst examples I've ever seen of laying down and dying like a miserable, no good dog. It disgusted me, but put it into the context of complicit tanking, I could swallow it.

So, fuktard or co-conspirator?

Melo isn't smart enough to co-conspire

Nor does he have the ability to decree any basketball related plan

Have you not listened to this guy, this past offseason in particular

He has no particles or chromosome strands of smart gene zippo-nada-zilch

But he sleeps on plush and his desire to win is quelled

By his yearning for his safe to be full of Monopoly money

So FT it is

CORRECTION: There were two other tards on that play, but only one fuktard. The other two tards totally misplayed their role on defense. Melo, on the other hand, was dead center at layup land and all he was doing was facing Kemba and watching him passively as he cruised into for the the layup. I'd say there is a big difference between making the wrong play as in overplaying your man, but another when you aren't even attempting anything and just standing there with your feet planted in mud watching the game end with your blessings. Not comparable to the others on the court at all. I've really seen only this kind of fuktardery a few times. Tardery is Amare turning his back to plays. Fuktardery is watching as someone comes right at you and you do nothing. I've seen it during games by many tards, but this was special in its fukkedness due to it being the game winning shot and Melo knowing if he did nothing the game was over and lost. He did nothing. It was a choice. So either it was by design or he is a fuktard. He is fuktard then I guess. Yes, lacking in chromosomes, but still paid like a cashmere suckhole.

gunsnewing wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is a plan in place. Phil won't say it because it's not right to but we must keep losing to get better. With losses comes higher first and second round pick. With that comes infusion of talent. This team needs serious talent up grade.

No way the plan in place from jump season was Tank

You can talk yourself into it by looking at today's results

But my intelligence will not be insulted by it

Oh no? So even if you believe Plan A was to win this year, you still think Phil didn't have a strong Plan B involving tanking readily in mind? And you don't think he wouldn't pivot into Plan B without a second of hesitation once he surmised as much?

There are plenty of signposts planted over 22 games that show this team repeatedly losing games that are not normal vanilla bad luck. It has turned the corner from incidental to orchestrated and you're saying you're too smart to see this? Come on.

The point is even if Phil thought the players would gel enough to put out some kind of interim product, to suggest he didn't have a ready scenario that would get fully behind a tank if the team didn't mesh defies belief.

Naahhh this team is losing games

Much the same they did last year

You couldn't come up with the ways we lost last yr

And we've remained on the same course this yr

We're just that bad but it's so alarming and hard for some to accept

It's the truth, if he wanted to resort to Plan B

Then we should be seeing heavy doses of Wear-Larkin-THJR-ACY

I mean Fisher got biched out by Amar'e first couple weeks

Plugging him into the starting lineup

And you can't publicly punk trash the guys you're playing

If you're trying to lose games

It would only to prove to backfire in the long run

The Panicking of timeouts, playing guys who are hot

Threatening the guys they could be gone in December

Doesn't add up

I don't think you are privy to the reason why we haven't abandoned the vets in favor of the Wear & Thanasis' yet. They will move who they can and then you will start to see the young guys get the majority minutes. We are only 1 month into the season. What message would playing the bench in November send to the "dumb" season ticket holders? Come February they will be so buried no one will give a ****. Then you plays the Wears

You think "dumb season ticket holders" want

To see Jason Smith and J.R. Smith get sweaty and lathered

Are you kidding, you saw what happened with Jeremy Lin right

You saw what happened with Landry Fields

You saw what happened with Nate Robsinson, get real

The fans want to see this team win, although dumb they may be

That's called dumb luck.

Most fans don't want draft picks. But if you go back to 97 & 2003 and hand them Tim Duncan & Lebron they will googoo for gaga over them. Thats after pleading for Dolan to move them for Josh Smith and Dolan doing all he can to appease them with no success

Yes as of the here and now, they may not be concerned with he 2015 pick

But when young talent is on the team, these dumb fans want to see them play

The 3 players I listed in their first season with us

These same fans adored and rooted for them like no other

Linsanity was different animal. That kind of NY/Worldwide excitement will never be replicated

Fields had people excited but was viewed as a complimentary piece and valuable 2nd round pick.

Nate was during the laughing stock era of Isiah. Does't even fit this discussion

We're in a laughingstock era[season-wise at least]

Nate is relevant, bottomline fans want to see young players

To what may become of them

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Vmart wrote:There is a plan in place. Phil won't say it because it's not right to but we must keep losing to get better. With losses comes higher first and second round pick. With that comes infusion of talent. This team needs serious talent up grade.

No way the plan in place from jump season was Tank

You can talk yourself into it by looking at today's results

But my intelligence will not be insulted by it

Oh no? So even if you believe Plan A was to win this year, you still think Phil didn't have a strong Plan B involving tanking readily in mind? And you don't think he wouldn't pivot into Plan B without a second of hesitation once he surmised as much?

There are plenty of signposts planted over 22 games that show this team repeatedly losing games that are not normal vanilla bad luck. It has turned the corner from incidental to orchestrated and you're saying you're too smart to see this? Come on.

The point is even if Phil thought the players would gel enough to put out some kind of interim product, to suggest he didn't have a ready scenario that would get fully behind a tank if the team didn't mesh defies belief.

Naahhh this team is losing games

Much the same they did last year

You couldn't come up with the ways we lost last yr

And we've remained on the same course this yr

We're just that bad but it's so alarming and hard for some to accept

It's the truth, if he wanted to resort to Plan B

Then we should be seeing heavy doses of Wear-Larkin-THJR-ACY

I mean Fisher got biched out by Amar'e first couple weeks

Plugging him into the starting lineup

And you can't publicly punk trash the guys you're playing

If you're trying to lose games

It would only to prove to backfire in the long run

The Panicking of timeouts, playing guys who are hot

Threatening the guys they could be gone in December

Doesn't add up

This year is different because the team wasn't coming in with the same coach as the previous season.

This year is different because it is about developing a young new coach, some young players and reconditioning some vets.

This year is different because they went in with the notion that this was going to be about establishing a new culture and system, which could be difficult. It could take some time and would expose those who can't cut it.

Nothing has really changed with the poor start. This team is still going to have a ton of guys come off the cap. This team still has a Draft Pick. Basically the only issue is that the Media and some fans are Trolling the team and not using any sense of reason about what this season is all about.
This was a tough job even if everyone was healthy and if everything worked out perfectly in adjusting to the new culture, which it hasn't. People were clamoring for Jason Kidd to be fired early last year too, so it just exposes the LAME ASS Fans who have no patience or sense of reason. People need to chill the freak out and let this process play out. There's literally no reason to panic of be overly critical at this stage of the process. Sure it's frustrating but we have options for the future no matter what happens this season.

You cant be serious. This team is worse than even the naysayers were saying, but you werent saying that then. No need to flip flop like you knew it would be tough.

What happened to all the we have Phil and Fisher and Calderon talk? All three are failing. Phil has NOT changed the culture as of yet, Fisher is no better today than he was when hired. And Calderon is stil the same loser he's always been.

Better hope some players are duped into this supposed mystique of Phil Jackson the executive.

Now you want to make Phil out to be some kind of fraud cuz the team is struggling early. Jesus I can't take you clowns anymore. You go on thinking you know more than Phil and that this poor start is some kind of proof that he's a fraud. That makes total sense one month into this process. You guys have made up your minds on this after 22 games. Why wait to see what happens after a full season or wait to see what he does with the roster going forward. SMDH. I'm done. You guys can have this forum.

nixluva wrote:Sure act like Jose was healthy from game one and there is no excuse for him being a bit off his game. This is what I mean by LAME ASS FANS. You just want to act like things went exactly like Fish and Phil planned and we had no issues that have disrupted the already tough process of adjusting. When I and others were making early season predictions it wasn't based on injuries to key players from the very start. Pretty damn sure no one was making predictions based on Larkin starting instead of Jose. Truthfully it makes no sense talking to you guys its like talking to bricks.

Now you want to make Phil out to be some kind of fraud cuz the team is struggling early. Jesus I can't take you clowns anymore. You go on thinking you know more than Phil and that this poor start is some kind of proof that he's a fraud. That makes total sense one month into this process. You guys have made up your minds on this after 22 games. Why wait to see what happens after a full season or wait to see what he does with the roster going forward. SMDH. I'm done. You guys can have this forum.

I think the board as a whole has given you enormous leeway for your exceedingly divergent viewpoints. Claiming everyone but yourself is a lunatic is usually the sign of a lunatic.

4-18 is not a random number. It is how good this team is presently. Saying they'll improve from this point forward is not a certainty, but not that hard considering this is bottom dwelling territory. Toilets usually smell better after you flush them.

4-18 means we need to go 31-29 the rest of the way.
to make it to .500 means we need to go 37-23.