knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:just outta curiosity bro.. why are you leaning towns?

Another thing, Briggs high regard for Towns also validates what I've seen and heard about him. Can't go wrong with he or Ok4. Mudiay I don't care for because I don't see Phil drafting that kind of PG

I think you have to see the whole season before anyone is a lock OTHER than OK4. I think Ok4 is a lock number 1 pick. Darn trouble is that Id like to see Kentuckys big men play 30-35 minutes each a few games. Hope and pray we get pick 1 and then we wont have to do guesswork.

yea Kentucky has 3 potential blue chip bigs in Towns, Dakari & Stein. You wanna make sure you get the right one. You think Philly takes Ok4/Towns even with Embid & Noel?

You gotta take the best player available. You don'the wanna be that guy who took Sam Bowie over Jordan. I like Noel's potential, but I don'the see him ever gaining the tag of franchise player and Emily has question marks regarding his health. Maybe the 76ers trade down?

100% agree. I give no consideration to what will be on the roster, and lets face it, thats Melo and Calderon. BPA all the way

How does it help your team to take the best player available, that's not building a team, that's collecting assets, like phili drafting Noel, and embiid, or miny draft flynn and rubio. Do you see how that's turning out, no direction. In order to draft a player that's going to have an immediate impact, you have to draft a player that fits in your system. Grabbing any player just because of talent is stupid and short sighted, every player in the draft has talent.

You take best player available then the pieces that don't match you move them for other pieces that match allowing you to maintain the value. When the Magic landed the top pick in the draft 2 yrs in a row. They took Shaq they yr before then traded Webber for Hardaway and other assets. If they just drafted Hardaway they wouldn't have been able to get the extra assets they got when they were able to trade Webber for Hardaway.

Philly can always move Noel or Embild and land a very good player or multiple more assets and balance out the team.

BRIGGS wrote:Its not a bad problem to have to argue about a few top prospects--that means most likely high quality talent is in more than 1 spot.

I think you have to watch Ok4 to understand what is so special about him for this team. First off hes an in shape 270 pounds with a 7-5 wingspan around 6-10. He's huge he has huge hands that are soft and his fundamentals for a big are just off the charts in terms of footwork soft touch passing using the glkass9whoi even does that anymore?) I like him as a pure 4 who could move over to 5 but Id rather get a 5 who is true 7 feet. Ok4 in his prime has the ability to be a 25/28-10-4-1.5 55%. In 36 minutes adjusted at 1 years old hes already on a faster pace than Tim Duncan at the same age sans blocked shots. This is a lock shot no brainer

In todays NBA he will be a Center and we will use Melo as a stretch 4, if we land him.

The question is will OK4 just be a good stat producer or will he actually be an *impact player* and anchor on offense and defense. Because thats what we need.

Also what is his character like?

BRIGGS wrote:Its not a bad problem to have to argue about a few top prospects--that means most likely high quality talent is in more than 1 spot.

I think you have to watch Ok4 to understand what is so special about him for this team. First off hes an in shape 270 pounds with a 7-5 wingspan around 6-10. He's huge he has huge hands that are soft and his fundamentals for a big are just off the charts in terms of footwork soft touch passing using the glkass9whoi even does that anymore?) I like him as a pure 4 who could move over to 5 but Id rather get a 5 who is true 7 feet. Ok4 in his prime has the ability to be a 25/28-10-4-1.5 55%. In 36 minutes adjusted at 1 years old hes already on a faster pace than Tim Duncan at the same age sans blocked shots. This is a lock shot no brainer

I would think that at 4-18 the front office would truly be looking to the future and not working on some idiotic plan to get this group playing well enough to chase the 8th seed (5 games back).

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Its not a bad problem to have to argue about a few top prospects--that means most likely high quality talent is in more than 1 spot.

I think you have to watch Ok4 to understand what is so special about him for this team. First off hes an in shape 270 pounds with a 7-5 wingspan around 6-10. He's huge he has huge hands that are soft and his fundamentals for a big are just off the charts in terms of footwork soft touch passing using the glkass9whoi even does that anymore?) I like him as a pure 4 who could move over to 5 but Id rather get a 5 who is true 7 feet. Ok4 in his prime has the ability to be a 25/28-10-4-1.5 55%. In 36 minutes adjusted at 1 years old hes already on a faster pace than Tim Duncan at the same age sans blocked shots. This is a lock shot no brainer

In todays NBA he will be a Center and we will use Melo as a stretch 4, if we land him.

The question is will OK4 just be a good stat producer or will he actually be an *impact player* and anchor on offense and defense. Because thats what we need.

Also what is his character like?

Duke may be the best team in the country--and his character--well he goes to Duke. San Antoni does not use Duncan as a 5 I wouldnt use Ok4 as a 5. The one thing I want to emulate from the Spurs going 4wad is that every player on the team has an offensive arsenal--meaning you must check all 5 yet they have two way skills.

Tru he does go to Duke so that says a lot.

Spurs even if they don't line Duncan up at the 5 he still plays a lot of 5. They usually have a rotation of players that they plug in for matchups. Leonard & Diaw can both play 4 and stretch the floor. Or if they want to go big they play Duncan and Splitter at the 4-5. There is never a spacing issue because Duncan can nail the 18-20fters and they are both(he and Splitter) are very good passers. Splitter takes on the tougher defensive assignment in the paint. Leonard & Diaw take on the the tougher ones on the perimeter. Even if there was a spacing issue though Duncan makes such an impact on the boards and shot blocking, and all there perimeter guys nail 3s. You wouldn't be able to pack the paint anyway.

Its just basketball I guess. Doesn't matter where players line up as long as they have proper spacing and complimentary pieces to cover each others backs.

The knicks need a blue chipper in the worst way. The tanking teams are going to be going crazy for him the final 2months of the season. Even if we don't get the #1 there will still be a ton of talent available if we can just land a top 5. Guys like Towns, Stein, Mudiay.

I just hope we develop that player instead of trading him for Josh smith. The only guys I might trade that player for one day are Anthony Davis, maybe Durant, maybe Lebron.

I would do what I can to get guys like Russell Westbrook or Reggie Jackson here. No interest in maxing out guys like Gasol & Milsap

gunsnewing wrote:Yea the fact that he went to Duke says a lot about his character. Tim Duncan like in many ways. Even if his downside is Damarcus cousins sans the early immaturity that is one heck of a piece to add to your team.

The knicks need a blue chipper in the worst way. The tanking teams are going to be going crazy for him the final 2months of the season. Even if we don't get the #1 there will still be a ton of talent available if we can just land a top 5. Guys like Towns, Stein, Mudiay.

I just hope we develop that player instead of trading him for Josh smith. The only guys I might trade that player for one day are Anthony Davis, maybe Durant, maybe Lebron.

I would do what I can to get guys like Russell Westbrook or Reggie Jackson here. No interest in maxing out guys like Gasol & Milsap

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:just outta curiosity bro.. why are you leaning towns?

Another thing, Briggs high regard for Towns also validates what I've seen and heard about him. Can't go wrong with he or Ok4. Mudiay I don't care for because I don't see Phil drafting that kind of PG

I think you have to see the whole season before anyone is a lock OTHER than OK4. I think Ok4 is a lock number 1 pick. Darn trouble is that Id like to see Kentuckys big men play 30-35 minutes each a few games. Hope and pray we get pick 1 and then we wont have to do guesswork.

yea Kentucky has 3 potential blue chip bigs in Towns, Dakari & Stein. You wanna make sure you get the right one. You think Philly takes Ok4/Towns even with Embid & Noel?

You gotta take the best player available. You don'the wanna be that guy who took Sam Bowie over Jordan. I like Noel's potential, but I don'the see him ever gaining the tag of franchise player and Emily has question marks regarding his health. Maybe the 76ers trade down?

100% agree. I give no consideration to what will be on the roster, and lets face it, thats Melo and Calderon. BPA all the way

How does it help your team to take the best player available, that's not building a team, that's collecting assets, like phili drafting Noel, and embiid, or miny draft flynn and rubio. Do you see how that's turning out, no direction. In order to draft a player that's going to have an immediate impact, you have to draft a player that fits in your system. Grabbing any player just because of talent is stupid and short sighted, every player in the draft has talent.

yea... both Sam Bowie and Michael Jordan have *talent*

Name one player in this draft we should pass on because we have xxx or our roster or that player doesnt fit our xxx system.

No... the Knick need top talent and impact players. Does that clarify? So yea... give me he BPA

The knicks have never been short of talent,(lee, nate, thj, gallo, mosgov,hill) they have been short of the correct role players, glue guys that connect the talent. A guy like jahil is a 18 yr old freshman, duncan was a 4 yr player, jahil avg less then 8 boards.

Anyone who thinks is skill set and age will manifest into a impact player next season, is in for a rude awakening. The knicks don't have the patience to develop talent,and if you think thats change, go down the long list of drafts the knicks gave up on, then go read the comments phil said about players not getting by thanksgiving or xmas, are not part of the future.

He's a 18 yr old freshman, that should stay in school for at least another yr. Thats what makes the draft so overated, too many 1 yr players think their ready, and when they get to the league, their like a deer in headlights, and you start srceaming about LOW IQ players.

This franchise is 3 yrs away regardless. There aren't any moves that are going to make us an immediate contender period. Everything we do should be to have a contender 3yrs from now.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:just outta curiosity bro.. why are you leaning towns?

Another thing, Briggs high regard for Towns also validates what I've seen and heard about him. Can't go wrong with he or Ok4. Mudiay I don't care for because I don't see Phil drafting that kind of PG

I think you have to see the whole season before anyone is a lock OTHER than OK4. I think Ok4 is a lock number 1 pick. Darn trouble is that Id like to see Kentuckys big men play 30-35 minutes each a few games. Hope and pray we get pick 1 and then we wont have to do guesswork.

yea Kentucky has 3 potential blue chip bigs in Towns, Dakari & Stein. You wanna make sure you get the right one. You think Philly takes Ok4/Towns even with Embid & Noel?

You gotta take the best player available. You don'the wanna be that guy who took Sam Bowie over Jordan. I like Noel's potential, but I don'the see him ever gaining the tag of franchise player and Emily has question marks regarding his health. Maybe the 76ers trade down?

100% agree. I give no consideration to what will be on the roster, and lets face it, thats Melo and Calderon. BPA all the way

How does it help your team to take the best player available, that's not building a team, that's collecting assets, like phili drafting Noel, and embiid, or miny draft flynn and rubio. Do you see how that's turning out, no direction. In order to draft a player that's going to have an immediate impact, you have to draft a player that fits in your system. Grabbing any player just because of talent is stupid and short sighted, every player in the draft has talent.

yea... both Sam Bowie and Michael Jordan have *talent*

Name one player in this draft we should pass on because we have xxx or our roster or that player doesnt fit our xxx system.

No... the Knick need top talent and impact players. Does that clarify? So yea... give me he BPA

The knicks have never been short of talent,(lee, nate, thj, gallo, mosgov,hill) they have been short of the correct role players, glue guys that connect the talent. A guy like jahil is a 18 yr old freshman, duncan was a 4 yr player, jahil avg less then 8 boards.

Anyone who thinks is skill set and age will manifest into a impact player next season, is in for a rude awakening. The knicks don't have the patience to develop talent,and if you think thats change, go down the long list of drafts the knicks gave up on, then go read the comments phil said about players not getting by thanksgiving or xmas, are not part of the future.

He's a 18 yr old freshman, that should stay in school for at least another yr. Thats what makes the draft so overated, too many 1 yr players think their ready, and when they get to the league, their like a deer in headlights, and you start srceaming about LOW IQ players.

Who here expects the Knicks to draft OK4 so he can be the starting center on a 50 win team playing 30 minutes giving 20-10 every night? Its going to take time.

The knicks have never been short of talent,(lee, nate, thj, gallo, mosgov,hill)

If any of those guys have "franchise" talent they would still be here. They were middle to late picks who became good players. Thats what we hope for Early, THjr, Thanisis. What we hope for this year's pick is cornerstone piece. We are talking about two different tiers of players

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Gonna have to keep an eye on Myles Turner as well Center for Texas.

Its amazing how stacked this draft is with legitimate NBA Centers in the 1st round

Myles Turner=no. Hes no where near ready hes awkward as well. No real position yet

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:just outta curiosity bro.. why are you leaning towns?

Another thing, Briggs high regard for Towns also validates what I've seen and heard about him. Can't go wrong with he or Ok4. Mudiay I don't care for because I don't see Phil drafting that kind of PG

I think you have to see the whole season before anyone is a lock OTHER than OK4. I think Ok4 is a lock number 1 pick. Darn trouble is that Id like to see Kentuckys big men play 30-35 minutes each a few games. Hope and pray we get pick 1 and then we wont have to do guesswork.

yea Kentucky has 3 potential blue chip bigs in Towns, Dakari & Stein. You wanna make sure you get the right one. You think Philly takes Ok4/Towns even with Embid & Noel?

You gotta take the best player available. You don'the wanna be that guy who took Sam Bowie over Jordan. I like Noel's potential, but I don'the see him ever gaining the tag of franchise player and Emily has question marks regarding his health. Maybe the 76ers trade down?

100% agree. I give no consideration to what will be on the roster, and lets face it, thats Melo and Calderon. BPA all the way

How does it help your team to take the best player available, that's not building a team, that's collecting assets, like phili drafting Noel, and embiid, or miny draft flynn and rubio. Do you see how that's turning out, no direction. In order to draft a player that's going to have an immediate impact, you have to draft a player that fits in your system. Grabbing any player just because of talent is stupid and short sighted, every player in the draft has talent.

yea... both Sam Bowie and Michael Jordan have *talent*

Name one player in this draft we should pass on because we have xxx or our roster or that player doesnt fit our xxx system.

No... the Knick need top talent and impact players. Does that clarify? So yea... give me he BPA

The knicks have never been short of talent,(lee, nate, thj, gallo, mosgov,hill) they have been short of the correct role players, glue guys that connect the talent. A guy like jahil is a 18 yr old freshman, duncan was a 4 yr player, jahil avg less then 8 boards.

Nate Mozgov, and Hill are role players nothing more. Lee is pretty good. Gallo might have been something but his career has been destroyed by injuries. THJr hasn't even shown he's good enough to be a role player.

knicks1248 wrote:Anyone who thinks is skill set and age will manifest into a impact player next season, is in for a rude awakening. The knicks don't have the patience to develop talent,and if you think thats change, go down the long list of drafts the knicks gave up on, then go read the comments phil said about players not getting by thanksgiving or xmas, are not part of the future.

He's a 18 yr old freshman, that should stay in school for at least another yr. Thats what makes the draft so overated, too many 1 yr players think their ready, and when they get to the league, their like a deer in headlights, and you start srceaming about LOW IQ players.

Anyone who thinks we can be a contender in one offseason is in for a rude awakening. There are holes up and down this roster and we need to be looking at 2, 3, or 4 years down the line.

what gives you the confidence to think the knicks we develop anyone they draft especially if were still losing..

What gives you the confidence to think the Knicks can make good trades and sign the right free agents?