Knicks1969 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Does fisher think anybody on this team knows their role

We don't have any savvy players or smart vets- doesn't matter who the coach is or what system they try to implement if you don't have players who are able to understand and execute. Usually I'd say a coach should adapt their system to the players they do have, but as the goal now is lottery, it's better to stick with the system and try to establish it for the longer term.

And all this crap about no one has managed to have success with the triangle without MJ, Phil or Kobe- take a look at the rosters and the crap Rambis and Cleamons had to work with- no system was going to get the post MJ bulls or the Kahn era Twolves to win games.

Foster or not, nô one other then Phil has ever won more then 30 games running the triangle. It is a fact.

Other teams were not committed to the process of rebuilding with it in mind. They tried to use existing pieces. Certainly there are conditions by which the triangle or any system can work or fail.

Coaches can adapt to a roster but why would a team not have them both in synch? We bought in MDA which to me looked like we'd rebuild the roster. Seemed like that was where Walsh was going. Not saying we would not have made moves and lived with Gallo/Wilson/Moz etc for the rest of our natural lives, but Melo/MDA was never a good fit.

My point: Its a work in progress. ISola article today is nothing new, its just a slam job by him.

I applaud what the knicks are doing.

Knicks1969 wrote:This quote below from Dalembert says a lot about why we have such a bad record. We might have talents on this roster to win a lot more games than what we have thus far, but Fisher's ineptitude has been keeping us from winning. I said it in the beginning, players must know where their minutes are going to come so they can be ready mentally. When you continue to change your lineup or substitution patern every game, you tend to mess with the chemistry or even the psyche of the players.

Dalembert said it’s “confusing’’ the Knicks aren’t playing well during games because their practices have been crisp. When asked about Fisher’s performance so far, Dalembert said he’s “like a rookie, like we have a rookie [player] on the team. He was on the other side not long ago. He’s finding himself.’’
Dalembert said the ever-changing starting lineups and rotations present challenges for the players.

Tank baby. The players aren't privy to it nor will they be around for the turnaround. But Phil & Derek's motives are aligned

Woodson - Multiple changing lineups

Woodson - Trying to use offensive players to play defense.

Then comparing Steve Kerr to Fisher is the worst. Put Fisher in Golden St. and Kerr in NY, and both records would still be the same.

Coaches only contribute to 5% of winning. I don't care if Pop was our coach and Jesus was the assistant, this team would still have the same record...Maybe 1 or 2 games better. Still at the bottom of the east.

GMs get the players....The more talent and basketball IQ you have, the more wins you get, regardless of the coach!

Fisher is the best coach for Phil Jackson. You don't like Fisher, then you don't like Phil. If you don't like Phil, then you don't like Dolan or the knicks or Melo. My suggestion is to find another team, until Phil leaves. Theres no point in stressing yourself out. Take my advice, and stop watching them. Just wait for mid season trades or draft day.

I say we trade Melo for a better over paid star. There are other players that are paid or close, and don't live up to their contract. But they might be two way players that can play both ends of the floor. The more two way players you have, the more wins you will get.

We have to stop adding players that are great at 1 think, and below average at everything else.

Knicks1969 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best

You think we're mediocre?!

We can actually win with what we have if managed properly. Instead of running triangle offense, run the offense currently San Antonio is using. Swing the ball around which forces defenses to spread and put Carmelo and Amare in the low post to feast. Spread the floor with shooters.

Go ahead and tell Phil to give back his 60 mil....Tell Melo to give back his 120 mil.....Tell Dolan to sell the team to somebody else.....Tell the new owner to hire someone from the Spurs organization.

It's much easier to just jump ship man.....The Spurs still have room on their band wagon. Believe me; I will not be made at you if you left. I don't blame you. Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury. I'm a Knick for life.

Knicks1969 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best

You think we're mediocre?!

We can actually win with what we have if managed properly. Instead of running triangle offense, run the offense currently San Antonio is using. Swing the ball around which forces defenses to spread and put Carmelo and Amare in the low post to feast. Spread the floor with shooters.

Go ahead and tell Phil to give back his 60 mil....Tell Melo to give back his 120 mil.....Tell Dolan to sell the team to somebody else.....Tell the new owner to hire someone from the Spurs organization.

It's much easier to just jump ship man.....The Spurs still have room on their band wagon. Believe me; I will not be made at you if you left. I don't blame you. Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury. I'm a Knick for life.

Same here dude:))))

Then you and everybody else needs to understand, winning right now was not the main objective. It was to see if Fisher can be the head coach Phil Jackson needs him to be. This is a trial period for Fisher. Plus, Phil knows just like me, a coach is only a small percentage of why teams win. You think Phil would be the great Zen Master, without Jordan, Pippen, Kobe and Shaq? He knows it's not the coach, it's the players....Otherwise, he would've hired Jeff Vangundy or some other vet coach. Instead he hired Fisher who will listen and do everything Phil tells him to do. While using Fishers player networking abilities, along with Phils Zen Master pull....and attract better talent. It's a plan, and right now, thats all we can ask for. Some plans work, some plans don't. We'll see in 5 years if Phils plan worked!

Knicks1969 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best

You think we're mediocre?!

We can actually win with what we have if managed properly. Instead of running triangle offense, run the offense currently San Antonio is using. Swing the ball around which forces defenses to spread and put Carmelo and Amare in the low post to feast. Spread the floor with shooters.

Go ahead and tell Phil to give back his 60 mil....Tell Melo to give back his 120 mil.....Tell Dolan to sell the team to somebody else.....Tell the new owner to hire someone from the Spurs organization.

It's much easier to just jump ship man.....The Spurs still have room on their band wagon. Believe me; I will not be made at you if you left. I don't blame you. Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury. I'm a Knick for life.

Same here dude:))))

Then you and everybody else needs to understand, winning right now was not the main objective. It was to see if Fisher can be the head coach Phil Jackson needs him to be. This is a trial period for Fisher. Plus, Phil knows just like me, a coach is only a small percentage of why teams win. You think Phil would be the great Zen Master, without Jordan, Pippen, Kobe and Shaq? He knows it's not the coach, it's the players....Otherwise, he would've hired Jeff Vangundy or some other vet coach. Instead he hired Fisher who will listen and do everything Phil tells him to do. While using Fishers player networking abilities, along with Phils Zen Master pull....and attract better talent. It's a plan, and right now, thats all we can ask for. Some plans work, some plans don't. We'll see in 5 years if Phils plan worked!

I would love to win, but I can accept a losing season if we are losing while coaching our YOUNG players the fundamental of the system. Why give all the playing time to Smith and Amare while we already know they are not part of the plan? Why wait on Bargnani?

Lose while coaching: Wear, Larkin, THJ, Acy, Cleantony. I was not disappointed after the loss last night, because I got to watch ACY,Larkin, THJ, and SHUMP in action.

We don't know....Smith and Amari might be part of the plan.....OFF THE BENCH.

Smith is a ride or die NY'er.....Amari is labeled as an injury prone fake star. Both players need to clean up their image, so you never know.

But Phil is a hands off type of manager. So what we are seeing is rookie mistakes by Fisher.....Thats called growing pains.

Stick to the plan, tank this season while playing our yoots, get a top-3 pick, add a solid FA or two. See how it goes.

blkexec wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Mediocrity is what we do best

You think we're mediocre?!

We can actually win with what we have if managed properly. Instead of running triangle offense, run the offense currently San Antonio is using. Swing the ball around which forces defenses to spread and put Carmelo and Amare in the low post to feast. Spread the floor with shooters.

Go ahead and tell Phil to give back his 60 mil....Tell Melo to give back his 120 mil.....Tell Dolan to sell the team to somebody else.....Tell the new owner to hire someone from the Spurs organization.

It's much easier to just jump ship man.....The Spurs still have room on their band wagon. Believe me; I will not be made at you if you left. I don't blame you. Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury. I'm a Knick for life.

Same here dude:))))

Then you and everybody else needs to understand, winning right now was not the main objective. It was to see if Fisher can be the head coach Phil Jackson needs him to be. This is a trial period for Fisher. Plus, Phil knows just like me, a coach is only a small percentage of why teams win. You think Phil would be the great Zen Master, without Jordan, Pippen, Kobe and Shaq? He knows it's not the coach, it's the players....Otherwise, he would've hired Jeff Vangundy or some other vet coach. Instead he hired Fisher who will listen and do everything Phil tells him to do. While using Fishers player networking abilities, along with Phils Zen Master pull....and attract better talent. It's a plan, and right now, thats all we can ask for. Some plans work, some plans don't. We'll see in 5 years if Phils plan worked!

It's a combination of both, putting players like Jordan and kobe on the court don't result in championships, they never won anything without him except individual awards.

Fisher is working himself right out of a job.The first sign of a issue came when the coach and pres have reported different philosophies on the learning curb.

CrushAlot wrote:I like Fisher. I think he is figuring things out and will be a really good coach. That being said, he has made some really bad mistakes. He needs to settle on a rotation minimally.

Fish will get better but the team also has to execute better. Melo hasn't played well and on the last offensive possession Melo took a poor shot when he could've drove on his man to draw a foul at the least. Guarantee that if Fish had smarter players he'd look a lot better.

Fish has a tough job but this team hasn't been getting blown out. They just haven't developed the chemistry to win. They self destruct every game despite being in position to win. Pablo has played a zillion years and he can't figure out that he should foul without being told? Didn't you and EVERYONE watching know this? It's not just the coach but the players as well who are contributing to this poor season.