mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.

I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.

Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.

Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.

Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.

We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.

Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...

Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.

Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.

Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.

Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.

I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.

Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.

Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.

Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.

We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.

Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...

Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.

Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.

Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.

Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.

I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.

Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.

I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.

Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.

Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.

Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.

We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.

Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...

Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.

Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.

Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.

Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.

I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.

Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.

His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.

Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.

I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.

Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.

Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.

Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.

We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.

Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...

Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.

Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.

Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.

Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.

I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.

Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.

His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.

Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?

Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??

Ha! But no, I bet he would "veteran leadership" his way to a .750 FG% while also giving Melo media sensitivity training and giving Fish foot massages at the half so he is more calm and level headed in setting his second half rotations....

BigDaddyG wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.

I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.

Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.

Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.

Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.

We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.

Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...

Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.

Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.

Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.

Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.

I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.

Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.

His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.

Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?

Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??

his field goal percentage at the rim looks Ok, but he's taking less of those shots. Nearly half so his shots are threes, but he's onlyrics shooting 35 percent from there. He is 34, so it makes sensemble that he wouldn'the want to hang inside as much. He also doesn'the have the same lift he once had. Whatever the case, Brooks needs to tell him to cut down on the threes.

threes are NOT the issue at all. Its his 2's. At this rate he should take more 3's and fewer 2's between 3 and 22 feet.

mreinman wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

mreinman wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:The point for the OKC trade is actually to help Fisher the coach. Like good coaching, it is imperative to have a vet on the bench to help the young players understand what it is they are doing incorrectly. Like when Kidd and Sheed were on the bench two seasons ago. Or Kidd the coach his first year with the Nets. Without Garnett or Pierce, it would have been a train wreck in Kidd's first year.

I am not saying OKC would do the trade; I am simply highlighting the TYPE of trades that may prove to be valuable for years to come.

Veteran's leadership is a vital tool for young coaches and young players.

Yes, that's what we need: Veteran Leadership. Of course, we're already the 11th oldest team in the league this season, 7th oldest last season, so maybe the issue isn't that we don't have enough veterans but that we suck.

Veterans do not mean Veteran Leaders.

We don't have any Veteran Leaders and that is a huge problem.

Maybe Jose can be that eventually ...

Jose's 35 years old, there is no more "eventually" for him. And I'd love to hear what makes Collison and Perkins veteran leaders.

Jose may be that this year ... not sure that he is the guy.

Collison leads by example. Perfect veteran. Not sure how vocal he is.

Do a google image search for pics of Collison all bloody. A guy who gets plays so hard he gets bloody all the time w/o a care is the kinda player any team needs.

I have always loved the guy. Looks like he is having a rough shooting year so far ... not sure why.

Its probably due to the increased volume due to Durant and Westbrook going down. I mean, he was shooting 3's! LOL. Now that they are back he'll probably settle back down.

His 3's are fine. His 2% is the issue.

Yup, you're right. I Just looked at his stats. Him shooting 3's is a relatively new thing as he never shot them at all until last season when he shot 17 and this year he's already shot 34 of them. But anyway, I assumed that maybe his FG attempts had gone up due to Durant and Westbrook being out but i see that he is only taking 1 more 2pointer a game and youre right he is in a deep slump. Probably average out over time. Maybe just a bad run?

Maybe this is what he would look like on the knicks (without KD and Westbrook)??

his field goal percentage at the rim looks Ok, but he's taking less of those shots. Nearly half so his shots are threes, but he's onlyrics shooting 35 percent from there. He is 34, so it makes sensemble that he wouldn'the want to hang inside as much. He also doesn'the have the same lift he once had. Whatever the case, Brooks needs to tell him to cut down on the threes.

threes are NOT the issue at all. Its his 2's. At this rate he should take more 3's and fewer 2's between 3 and 22 feet.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:How do you guys feel about Bismack Biyombo? Length, foot speed, shot blocking, but no offense. However, he is better for this team than Cole Aldrich. With a running PG like Larkin, he could be just fine. He and Acy would be liabilities on offense, but on defense they could wreak havoc for the opposing teams. They play with a contagious motor. He does things that Acy can't do; he plays good help defense. His 9'5" wingspan and agility make him an effective shot blocker and defender. He can become a decent player like Ben Wallace. When Ben Wallace was drafted, he was traded a couple of times and was not revered as an NBA talent until he joined Detroit.

Bismarck is a bad fit for this team as long as we play the triangle. He could be a steal as a reserve for another team.

How is he a bad fit when front office think Acy and Cole are good fit? Rodman was once considered a bad fit as well

Knicks1969 wrote:Stephenson and Biyombo are young, inexpensive, and can provide what this team has been missing since the last 20 years. We will still need to draft more talents and acquire a 7'.

He is not what we need, he's a great talent, but terrible fit from a mental stand point.

http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1209/nick-collison/shotchart/

Considering he doesn't 4pt play from 3

Generates all his FTA from 2's

Has missed 22fg shooting outside the arc

Has missed 10fg shooting inside the paint