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F500ONE
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11/21/2014  12:45 PM
Splat wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
OK but I guess we'll never see eye to eye.

IMO very little anyone posts on a friggin' message board is "fact". Hence, people should be free to continue to post whatever they want and free to defend their positions (or try to) if they so desire. Just because it annoys you doesn't mean other shouldn't be allowed to state that they believe it. It's kind of bizarre it disturbs you so much. That being said going down the slippery slope of deciding which topics and opinons are off limits and not allowed to be expressed is not a good path to go down.

You are completely right IMO.


That's funny because the irony of this

Is him trying to tell me to not post telling other


Posters to not post non factual things about a player

Here Pot meet this guy named Kettle


The two of you should get along well

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11/21/2014  12:47 PM
Hector wrote:I'll be honest, I probably wouldn't feel this way about him 15 years ago, I partly blame social media. I love Patrick Ewing & players back then, but if they had twitter & could broadcast their thoughts to all of us the way players do now, I'd probably think those players were as big a bunch of dicks as I feel Carmelo is appearing to be.

Social media is a big part of it but basically it is just a way of showing us how people really think as opposed to the past where we just didn't really know as much about whatever public figures we liked admired - whatever.

Carmelo is out of touch. He is a freaking basketball player 1st & basically only.

To cry about being known for that....can't relate to that.

Yes. Thank you for the elegant summary.

If he can't take pride in doing what he is paid otherworldly sums of money to do and do it with dignity, then I don't want him around polluting the team. The vanity and idiocy of this mindset is truly breathtaking. And it is even more stunning how cool most people are with it. But I'm calming down now and realize most people just don't care, they're numb to the true implications for the club.

How can one not see how diseased this thinking is and how it has to impact the moral fiber of the ballclub is just crazy to me. People want to complain about our clubs being gutless and erratic over the years and they seem incapable of connecting the dots.

If your core player clearly has not made leading his team into battle his number one priority and it is just an extravagant paycheck, then you're doomed. Melo is not a champion and he never will be. It is obvious only to those who understand teams are built around people, not just skillsets. Melo is not good people.

Phil Jackson messed up on the single biggest decision he had to make. It is uphill for him from here.

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11/21/2014  12:49 PM
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
OK but I guess we'll never see eye to eye.

IMO very little anyone posts on a friggin' message board is "fact". Hence, people should be free to continue to post whatever they want and free to defend their positions (or try to) if they so desire. Just because it annoys you doesn't mean other shouldn't be allowed to state that they believe it. It's kind of bizarre it disturbs you so much. That being said going down the slippery slope of deciding which topics and opinons are off limits and not allowed to be expressed is not a good path to go down.

You are completely right IMO.


That's funny because the irony of this

Is him trying to tell me to not post telling other


Posters to not post non factual things about a player

Here Pot meet this guy named Kettle


The two of you should get along well

Let's summarize and see how it goes:

Assertions are not facts
People will assert he is Top 10
Others will counter he is not
It is subjective and simply fodder for the board, regardless of what stats are invoked
Moral of the Story: Don't tell people NOT to post their assertions

Ca va?

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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11/21/2014  12:55 PM
Phil Jackson on Melo: "no doubt about Carmelo being one of the best players in the league, still has another level he can go to"

vs.


F500ONE:

//// I

wish peop
le

woudl

stiop calling Melo

a top

10

player.

Phil did NOT have to resign Melo. That was made clear by both Dolan and Phil Jackson.

So Im going to go with the new GM on this one. The one who knows elite talent. The one with the 11 rings. Yes... Im going to hide behind that guy and HIS views and comments on Melo. As for the idiots who are on a Knick fan site who just cant understand why other fans dont see this guy for the toxic cancer ruining their daily lives that he is I suggest other endevours to occupy their time.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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11/21/2014  1:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/21/2014  1:05 PM
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
OK but I guess we'll never see eye to eye.

IMO very little anyone posts on a friggin' message board is "fact". Hence, people should be free to continue to post whatever they want and free to defend their positions (or try to) if they so desire. Just because it annoys you doesn't mean other shouldn't be allowed to state that they believe it. It's kind of bizarre it disturbs you so much. That being said going down the slippery slope of deciding which topics and opinons are off limits and not allowed to be expressed is not a good path to go down.

You are completely right IMO.


That's funny because the irony of this

Is him trying to tell me to not post telling other


Posters to not post non factual things about a player

Here Pot meet this guy named Kettle


The two of you should get along well

Nice try. But, no. You are saying, point blank, that people should not be allowed to post a particular opinion. I am not saying that you, F5, CANNOT express the desire that certain opinions are censored. I am saying that it's a bad idea for a message board to allow censorship.

So by all means, continue to advocate for the censorship of certain opinions (Im not sure you'll get a big following though). That is your opinion and thus totally fine and up for debate.

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11/21/2014  1:11 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Splat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:You weren't calling him names and saying he did this interview when the team was spiraling. That is what Splat did. Not accurate.

Yep. Bastard. Whore. Thief. I stand by those words. His words speak for themselves today or a month ago. It doesn't change anything. Those are his words. This season. After he got paid. Anything else?

The timing of you joining is interesting. Are you tkf?

splat is not TKF! Geeeeez

TKF had aspergers. Its obvious that splat does not have aspergers.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/21/2014  1:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/21/2014  1:19 PM
fishmike wrote:
Phil Jackson on Melo: "no doubt about Carmelo being one of the best players in the league, still has another level he can go to"

vs.


F500ONE:

//// I

wish peop
le

woudl

stiop calling Melo

a top

10

player.

Phil did NOT have to resign Melo. That was made clear by both Dolan and Phil Jackson.

So Im going to go with the new GM on this one. The one who knows elite talent. The one with the 11 rings. Yes... Im going to hide behind that guy and HIS views and comments on Melo. As for the idiots who are on a Knick fan site who just cant understand why other fans dont see this guy for the toxic cancer ruining their daily lives that he is I suggest other endevours to occupy their time.

I have no qualms about what Phil said

I disagree with him if on a specific qualifier


But his statement is somewhat broad

As "one of the best" could go down 100 deep and Melo could hover around 40ish


Heck "up another notch" could mean he's outside Top 50


Now I recently either called or made the claim Vucevic is rapidly

Becoming a Top 3 center in the league


This was rebuffed by some poster

I haven't repeated this statement or brought it up again until now


With that said if I kept going on and on Vuc Is A Top 3 Center

Every other day, week, month and had a clan following with the same echo


Posters here would blow an absolute gasket

Don't look now but with such claim Vuc numbers are Nasty

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11/21/2014  1:18 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
OK but I guess we'll never see eye to eye.

IMO very little anyone posts on a friggin' message board is "fact". Hence, people should be free to continue to post whatever they want and free to defend their positions (or try to) if they so desire. Just because it annoys you doesn't mean other shouldn't be allowed to state that they believe it. It's kind of bizarre it disturbs you so much. That being said going down the slippery slope of deciding which topics and opinons are off limits and not allowed to be expressed is not a good path to go down.

You are completely right IMO.


That's funny because the irony of this

Is him trying to tell me to not post telling other


Posters to not post non factual things about a player

Here Pot meet this guy named Kettle


The two of you should get along well

Nice try. But, no. You are saying, point blank, that people should not be allowed to post a particular opinion. I am not saying that you, F5, CANNOT express the desire that certain opinions are censored. I am saying that it's a bad idea for a message board to allow censorship.

So by all means, continue to advocate for the censorship of certain opinions (Im not sure you'll get a big following though). That is your opinion and thus totally fine and up for debate.

I agree with you but now we're splitting hairs here


What I took issue with is posting as fact

I have no problem with someone saying


IMO Melo is a Top 5 Top 10 player vs Melo is a Top 5 Top 10 player

You're right about censoring, with that said I can fire back and say what I said initially


It's not like I took it before Mods and requested to put an end to this

So let's get back to uncensored discussion why don't we

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11/21/2014  1:23 PM
F500ONE wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
OK but I guess we'll never see eye to eye.

IMO very little anyone posts on a friggin' message board is "fact". Hence, people should be free to continue to post whatever they want and free to defend their positions (or try to) if they so desire. Just because it annoys you doesn't mean other shouldn't be allowed to state that they believe it. It's kind of bizarre it disturbs you so much. That being said going down the slippery slope of deciding which topics and opinons are off limits and not allowed to be expressed is not a good path to go down.

You are completely right IMO.


That's funny because the irony of this

Is him trying to tell me to not post telling other


Posters to not post non factual things about a player

Here Pot meet this guy named Kettle


The two of you should get along well

Nice try. But, no. You are saying, point blank, that people should not be allowed to post a particular opinion. I am not saying that you, F5, CANNOT express the desire that certain opinions are censored. I am saying that it's a bad idea for a message board to allow censorship.

So by all means, continue to advocate for the censorship of certain opinions (Im not sure you'll get a big following though). That is your opinion and thus totally fine and up for debate.

I agree with you but now we're splitting hairs here


What I took issue with is posting as fact

I have no problem with someone saying


IMO Melo is a Top 5 Top 10 player vs Melo is a Top 5 Top 10 player

You're right about censoring, with that said I can fire back and say what I said initially


It's not like I took it before Mods and requested to put an end to this

So let's get back to uncensored discussion why don't we

Fair enough!

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11/21/2014  1:44 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Splat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:You weren't calling him names and saying he did this interview when the team was spiraling. That is what Splat did. Not accurate.

Yep. Bastard. Whore. Thief. I stand by those words. His words speak for themselves today or a month ago. It doesn't change anything. Those are his words. This season. After he got paid. Anything else?

The timing of you joining is interesting. Are you tkf?

splat is not TKF! Geeeeez

TKF had aspergers. Its obvious that splat does not have aspergers.

... but I am having an assburger for lunch

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11/21/2014  1:59 PM
Splat wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Splat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:You weren't calling him names and saying he did this interview when the team was spiraling. That is what Splat did. Not accurate.

Yep. Bastard. Whore. Thief. I stand by those words. His words speak for themselves today or a month ago. It doesn't change anything. Those are his words. This season. After he got paid. Anything else?

The timing of you joining is interesting. Are you tkf?

splat is not TKF! Geeeeez

TKF had aspergers. Its obvious that splat does not have aspergers.

... but I am having an assburger for lunch

I don't think that TKF ever made a joke. He got a little giddy around DK from time to time but that was the extent of it.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/21/2014  2:30 PM
Melo, I don't know if your legacy will ever be bulletproof. But, it definitely is 100 proof. And with that I say, cheers.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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11/21/2014  3:12 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
Splat wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
OK but I guess we'll never see eye to eye.

IMO very little anyone posts on a friggin' message board is "fact". Hence, people should be free to continue to post whatever they want and free to defend their positions (or try to) if they so desire. Just because it annoys you doesn't mean other shouldn't be allowed to state that they believe it. It's kind of bizarre it disturbs you so much. That being said going down the slippery slope of deciding which topics and opinons are off limits and not allowed to be expressed is not a good path to go down.

You are completely right IMO.


That's funny because the irony of this

Is him trying to tell me to not post telling other


Posters to not post non factual things about a player

Here Pot meet this guy named Kettle


The two of you should get along well

Nice try. But, no. You are saying, point blank, that people should not be allowed to post a particular opinion. I am not saying that you, F5, CANNOT express the desire that certain opinions are censored. I am saying that it's a bad idea for a message board to allow censorship.

So by all means, continue to advocate for the censorship of certain opinions (Im not sure you'll get a big following though). That is your opinion and thus totally fine and up for debate.

I agree with you but now we're splitting hairs here


What I took issue with is posting as fact

I have no problem with someone saying


IMO Melo is a Top 5 Top 10 player vs Melo is a Top 5 Top 10 player

You're right about censoring, with that said I can fire back and say what I said initially


It's not like I took it before Mods and requested to put an end to this

So let's get back to uncensored discussion why don't we

Fair enough!

HEY OOOOOOH!

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11/21/2014  3:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/21/2014  3:20 PM
Splat wrote:
Hector wrote:I'll be honest, I probably wouldn't feel this way about him 15 years ago, I partly blame social media. I love Patrick Ewing & players back then, but if they had twitter & could broadcast their thoughts to all of us the way players do now, I'd probably think those players were as big a bunch of dicks as I feel Carmelo is appearing to be.

Social media is a big part of it but basically it is just a way of showing us how people really think as opposed to the past where we just didn't really know as much about whatever public figures we liked admired - whatever.

Carmelo is out of touch. He is a freaking basketball player 1st & basically only.

To cry about being known for that....can't relate to that.

Phil Jackson messed up on the single biggest decision he had to make. It is uphill for him from here.

I continue to maintain that the rising cap, especially if it goes up to 90 million or so, has the potential to turn Melo's contract into an afterthought in terms of being a hindrance to team building. There'd be room for 2 max guys on top and/or 1 max and an assortment of midlevel players or any other permutation.

The union is not going to let the cap go up slowly over a period of years. I think most analysts believe both sides best option is a one year big jump followed by small increases after that.

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11/21/2014  3:16 PM
Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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11/21/2014  4:09 PM
So the Melosers troll around and see that melo's FG% is up, his minutes are still tops in the league and lo and behold, we can and will find something else to hate! No more ability to mindlessly type 30 shots for 29 points!!! 30 shots for 29 points!!!

He wants more than a basketball career. The FUKTARD! How dare he! Why, doesn't he know he's a DOUCHE? Doesn't he know he makes a gawdawful amount of money, for chrissakes? Doesn't he know that the enabled, victim mentality True Knick Fanbase hates his azzhole, and everything that comes out of any orifice he calls his own? For the love of God, doesn't he know that we all just hate what he did to Mardy Collins? You think the True Knick Fanbase forgot that? Do you??? We don't care about regular seasons (unless we don't make the playoffs) and we don't care about making the playoffs! We just want to win. WIN IT ALL, DAMMMM YOU, MELO!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean, I'm a fan, and i find that a 30 year old man who makes lotsa more money than me talking about something other than rings really really pizzzes me off! I just know that MOST OF THE FANBASE just has to agree with me, right? RIGHT?

Stay tuned for next week's installment: Melo, the scourge of International politics, the hider of missing jet liners, the Ebola-Mary of the Universe!

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11/21/2014  4:19 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
Hector wrote:Carmelo is a top 10 player but he is also an out of touch with reality douchebag.


He was upset that his kid, when his class was asked what their dad's did for a living
said 'my dad is a basketball player' because he wants to be known as more than a basketball player.

Like someone just said on the radio - when his kid was asked what daddy does for a living he should have said 'my daddy is a ball hog'

I wish these guys would just do their job & shut their effing mouths.

I wish posters would stop posting this

What? This is a bizarre comment. I personally do not believe Carmelo is a top 10 player but at the end of the day player rankings are based on people's opinions and you simply can't tell someone on a discussion board that a certain opinion is off limits. Come on, man you're smarter than that. Just cause it annoying to some that others overrate Melo doesn't mean that they have to cowtow to those who dislike of the guy.


So he's Top 10 based on what?

Notice you didn't say...

"Although I don't personally care for Carmelo

I do feel he is a Top 10 player"

Instead you posted it as fact

"Carmelo is a Top 10 Player"

What the heck are you talking about? Are you insinutating Im using subtle double speak to try and cleverly hide my MeloBoner? What would be the point? Listen, maybe I didnt express myself properly or maybe you misread. Let me repeat myself again so it's clear:

I DONT PERSONALLY RATE CARMELO ANTHONY AS A TOP 10 PLAYER IN THE NBA

or

MELO ISNT, IN MY OPINION, A TOP 10 PLAYER

or

MELO IS AT BEST A TOP 15 OR AT WORST A TOP 20 PLAYER IN THE NBA

Am I being more clear?

So stop with the nonsense. Just because someone doesnt froth as the mouth hating the guy and have a cache of pics of him surrounded by junk food and/or articles with douchey comments in a folder on my desktop ready to post at the drop of the a hat on a message board doesnt mean they are a MeloLover/apologist/fanboi. Please cut it out. Ive criticized the guy much more than Ive ever praised him. I simply get uncomfortable when someone on a message board states that certain opinions should be off limits and never expressed. If someone rates Carmelo as top 10 why the fuhuck should I care? Why do you care so much? Disagree, or ignore, or move on. Jeez.

LMAO.....This post is so on point....Good Stuff!!!

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11/22/2014  12:19 AM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Splat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:You weren't calling him names and saying he did this interview when the team was spiraling. That is what Splat did. Not accurate.

Yep. Bastard. Whore. Thief. I stand by those words. His words speak for themselves today or a month ago. It doesn't change anything. Those are his words. This season. After he got paid. Anything else?

The timing of you joining is interesting. Are you tkf?

splat is not TKF! Geeeeez

TKF had aspergers. Its obvious that splat does not have aspergers.

I have some family members with Asperbergers so let me tell you this: They wouldn't have a problem understanding that Kevin Love should shoot threes and the reason why eFG and TS% are better values to look at than FG%.

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11/22/2014  10:00 AM
^^^ sounds like your issue is with how Melo got to Ny. The guy is married and has 1 child. When he was making his decision on where he wound sign this past offseason he talked about how his son liked his school and that it would be hard to move knowing that. Melo is recognized as one of the most charitable atheletes for his generation. He has come to camp prepared and in great shape every year in ny since the lockout. He is a very good basketball player. He wasn't a messier or kidd type leader before he signed his current contract and he most likely isn't going to become one because he has a new contract.
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11/22/2014  1:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/22/2014  1:46 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
jrodmc wrote:He wants more than a basketball career. The FUKTARD! How dare he! Why, doesn't he know he's a DOUCHE?

I remember surfing through cable one night, many years ago, where it was sort of documentary on the car culture ( I think this was post Fast and Furious) And it showed this one guy, where he had a wife and newborn, and they were living all together in one bedroom that they rented out from another family, half the room was filled with car parts, and instead of actually getting a quality living space for his family, the guy was shown buying some kind of fancy new muffler for his car. And talking about how he wanted to be a car designer and premier professional racer.

And I kept thinking, what a sad sorry douchebag mother ****er this guy is, his family is eating Ramen, scraping by, never sees him, and he's off spending all the money he makes on car parts.

You make certain choices in life, you have responsibilities. If a guy does right by his family, does right by his job, takes care of business, actually raises his kid, actually acts like a stand up husband, actually provides for those he chose to be responsible for, then if that dude wants to take some of that extra hard earned money, after he's filled a college fund and set up for retirement and ensured his family has a safe place to live and opportunity for his kids to go to good schools and such, and then get a "fun car" for himself, then ok. I think no one would begrudge him that.

But often responsibility comes with sacrifice. Doing right by your family often means you can't choose to be a racer or spend all your money on car parts or ignore your family and shove them into a small room with no other future prepared for them.

Melo wants more than to be a NBA player, then fine. Then first, do your JOB and be excellent at being an NBA player first. Your JOB is to be a FRANCHISE PLAYER. That means you are obligated to lead, on and off the court. You are obligated to be in elite physical condition. That means you are obligated to play and commit to elite defense. That means you are obligated to develop your game each season, adding more and more to your arsenal.

I don't think you seem to get it. I don't think anyone begrudges Melo a life outside of basketball if he was ACTUALLY DOING HIS JOB ON THE BASKETBALL COURT. Being a relentless gunner isn't enough. Having some nice individual stats isn't enough.

Chris Bosh could have signed with a team where he was the primary player. Instead, he signed with the Heat, knowing he'd have to subvert his game and not be the first option. He doesn't get the benefit of being the Alpha Dog, but neither does the full weight of responsibility fall on him either. Melo "forced" his way to NY. He wanted to be the MAN in NY. You want the job, you have to eat the responsibility that comes with it.

Melo is EXACTLY like that douchebag I saw in that documentary who left his wife and newborn rotting in a single room, eating Ramen, with no future, so he could buy a new muffler for his car. You CHOSE to be a father and husband, then own your responsibility for it. You don't get to flush those duties because you discovered you want to be a racer. You CHOSE to be the Alpha Dog of the New York Knicks. I don't care if you want to be a rapper on the side, or develop your own clothing line, or your own investment company, or you own stupid hat company, or any other brand horse ****. Your job is to lead the team and act like an example and leader.

Dude, even kids understand this concept. Do your chores first. Do your homework. Help out your little brothers and sisters. Help out your mom and dad around the house. Then you can go play. Then you can turn on the video game machine. Then you can do more of what you want to do, after you've taken care of your responsibilities first.

EVEN CHILDREN UNDERSTAND THIS.

That Melo should be taking care of business as a Knick first and foremost before he spouts off on the media about all the other things he wants to do, with money he gets paid to be a Knick, first and foremost, but seems to elude you, is just plain sad.

Do you really think that way? Do you really have no concept of accountability? Of duty? Or owing your choices?

Jesus H Christ dude, I hope you don't have children. Because I would feel sorry for kids who have to get raised by someone who doesn't even understand the basic concept of being responsible for your choices.


"Cicero, do you find it hard to do your duty?" - General Maximus

"Sometimes I do what I want to do, the rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, from the movie, Gladiator.

Precisely. Some don't get it and we're not going to change their viewpoint.

If Melo was as dedicated as he should be to his obligations to the team then no one would care what he does off the court or his plans for the future. I certainly wouldn't. But I find it offensive when a guy paid to be the heart of the franchise has no heart, DOES NOT come into camp in top shape (BS), does not lead on or off the court, does not add to his skill set every year. He coasts on his talent and is an example to no one but money grubbers.

I'm not going to carry on about this any longer, but I had to support what you wrote. It is the bottom line as I see it. Do what you're paid for and nobody cares, but just go through the motions and start yapping about other things shows your priorities are fukked. His priorities are not to be a champion. Every time he talks about that subject it makes me cringe, because he is not willing to pay the price, so I think he's a big phony. If people think he is off the hook by finally conceding he is not a leader, well that isn't good enough since he has to lead. That is his job. Anything less is unacceptable. If he can't, then at least he should STFU. But he won't and he can't because he's a total narcissist.

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Melo: I Want a 'Bulletproof Legacy'

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