H1AND1 wrote:The upshot is we have our pick and if these azzholes destroy the season it might actually be pretty high!

And so what if Melo has a no trade clause if he truly is miserable and some team wants him then maybe he wants to walk? We can dream, no?

Because he's already learned his lesson here and if another team gives up too much for him he'll veto the trade.

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What part does "rebuilding year" does some of you not get?
Building a culture does not include "Panic".
2-1 and Phil says he surprised. Get it now?

Figures that everyone would ignore this post......We are in full rebuild mode. Melo is the only player on this roster that starts for the majority of NBA teams....Some of these guys are 8th or 9th men off the bench (for good teams) while the rest who are getting playing time for us would be collecting DNP's

We are not in full rebuild mode. If we were we wouldn't have Tyson for Calderon, Dalembert, and a 2nd. And we wouldn't have refused to any S&T involving Melo. The plan is clearly to be decent this year, at least above .500, and go into the offseason with a a decent core intact with a bunch of cap space to sign 1 major free agent.

VCoug wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What part does "rebuilding year" does some of you not get?
Building a culture does not include "Panic".
2-1 and Phil says he surprised. Get it now?

Figures that everyone would ignore this post......We are in full rebuild mode. Melo is the only player on this roster that starts for the majority of NBA teams....Some of these guys are 8th or 9th men off the bench (for good teams) while the rest who are getting playing time for us would be collecting DNP's

We are not in full rebuild mode. If we were we wouldn't have Tyson for Calderon, Dalembert, and a 2nd. And we wouldn't have refused to any S&T involving Melo. The plan is clearly to be decent this year, at least above .500, and go into the offseason with a a decent core intact with a bunch of cap space to sign 1 major free agent.

Wrong choice of words on my part but this is a rebuilding year.....

Otherwise what FA in their right mind is going to want to come here?

Splat wrote:

Uptown wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What part does "rebuilding year" does some of you not get?
Building a culture does not include "Panic".
2-1 and Phil says he surprised. Get it now?

Figures that everyone would ignore this post......We are in full rebuild mode. Melo is the only player on this roster that starts for the majority of NBA teams....Some of these guys are 8th or 9th men off the bench (for good teams) while the rest who are getting playing time for us would be collecting DNP's

We are not in full rebuild mode. If we were we wouldn't have Tyson for Calderon, Dalembert, and a 2nd. And we wouldn't have refused to any S&T involving Melo. The plan is clearly to be decent this year, at least above .500, and go into the offseason with a a decent core intact with a bunch of cap space to sign 1 major free agent.

Wrong choice of words on my part but this is a rebuilding year.....

It's a re-tooling. We swapped out some tools for other tools and hope to bring in more tools next year.

Semantics...bottom line, the roster is loaded with below average players that are merely place holders and most are not in the long term plans of the team. With that said, did anyone really expect this team to win much, let alone look good with 5 new players in the rotation and a new coach and new system, 6 games in?

Uptown wrote:

Splat wrote:
It's a re-tooling. We swapped out some tools for other tools and hope to bring in more tools next year.

Semantics...bottom line, the roster is loaded with below average players that are merely place holders and most are not in the long term plans of the team. With that said, did anyone really expect this team to win much, let alone look good with 5 new players in the rotation and a new coach and new system, 6 games in?

It was a joke, semantically speaking

Splat wrote:

Uptown wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Shumpert, JR, amare, THJ and jason smith are playing well. Why is Melo shooting 21 shots and hitting only 5?

agreed

Deron Williams 10-15 29 pts....Shump was atrocious on defense but as usual, most posters only want to talk about the offensive end of the floor..

No, actually it was discussed in the game thread and myself and others noted that Shump was receiving no help defense most of the game. Deron could back him down and get easy looks, but Shump was often between his man and the basket. The team was not playing defense as a unit is the much bigger problem. Singling out Shump because his man went off doesn't really account for what happened most of the night.

I singled him out because he was singled out by another poster for playing well which was not the case...you are right that as team we are not very good defensively which is a bigger indictment on the team and coach. The Lakers and Bulls teams that played exclusive triangle were also really good defensive teams that won plenty of games because of their defense....The only difference I see defensively between this years team and the last couple of years is we are not switching as much out top. Other than that, our help principals are still very High schoolish.....

Knowing the triangle is going to take time to grasp, defense should be stressed....

Uptown wrote:
I singled him out because he was singled out by another poster for playing well which was not the case...you are right that as team we are not very good defensively which is a bigger indictment on the team and coach. The Lakers and Bulls teams that played exclusive triangle were also really good defensive teams that won plenty of games because of their defense....The only difference I see defensively between this years team and the last couple of years is we are not switching as much out top. Other than that, our help principals are still very High schoolish.....

Knowing the triangle is going to take time to grasp, defense should be stressed....

I would have agreed with you before the season started. After all, most any of us want a good defensive team.

But what I see now is very little hope the team will stop others this season. Sure, we can play wayyyy better D, but our personnel lacks enough guards to prevent penetration and very little hardcore size with the defensive knack in the interior.

So it is gonna be a long season and any good team is going to score on us.

What changed for me is not my expectations, since this still looks like a sub-30 win team to me this year, but how we'll win those games, which is basically by outscoring other teams. That's why you lose 50 games. But it is better than losing 65 games.

Sure, you have to teach defense, but we don't have the players to stop teams, so they better hope they learn the triangle or this team will only win under 20 games.