Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:I don't think we need to deliberatly lose. ITs baked into this roster. Dalebert and Cole don't make us better. Calderone does to some extent and he'll be a good role player off the bench for a really good team.

Priggs is here because knicks honor commitments. We asked him to stay as for him it was about family in NYC. Unless brooklyn wants him, we honor it.
Shump is still on audition.

Amare might be on the comeback trail but that don't mean he is part of the future.

Im not saying we are losing on purpose, but there is no disaster here as the expectation really should not be there. What some of you WANT is for team to succeed and thats cool. So does Phish. I really thing the effort is there but the language of Melo coming in was pretty evident that the team is in transition. This team gets a free pass this season in my book.

The culture of patchwork to save the season costing the team assets to truly contend has to stop.

Lost the battle to win the war.

Retool. Reimagined. Revamped.
Just don't say tank.

That debacle last night made me wanna throw up.

Tonight's going to be hairybuttfugly. We couldn't stop 14 yr vet Pau. Love is going to get Daly/Cole/Stat all pregnant by middle of the 1st quarter.

Amare can talk then he has to answer to the film. Evident our bench is thin upfront until Bargs resurects his savioronic's.

Ok, its a "Stealth TankJob". Media will paint it bad but thats NY.

Lets get one thing straight, this is my take. I look at this team and the lack of starphuch tells me we are longer term oriented.
One upon a time Layden was collecting assets and letting contracts expire. When the Mecca turned on MSG Dolan panicked with hiring Isiah and set upon an unprecidented leverage to collet talent.
That was a disaster!

Phil I believe can handle the media and likely does not care. He has to not piss them off but play them. He needs to protect his rookie coach a bit and not disappear.

My take is this is all baked in if it in fact plays out as such. Melo will not be asked to carry Knicks to playoffs. We'll lean hard on Amare and perhaps trade him if he is seen as attractive to a contender needing bench scoring.

We'll see how the seaon plays out. If Im right, I've protected my emotional state. If Im wrong I enjoy the winning!

Knicks valuations are much higher if the team succeeds in a long sustained era of success. You can't do that by leveraging by the starphuch as we have for years.

A trio concept of Melo, drafted prospect stud, and a Free agent signing supported by a balanced squad with some vets wanting to play in the triangle in NY for a contender is how I see a brighter future.
Who are these mystical players? Time will tell.

I agree. Much better plan than what most here want which is to try to win with calderon, amare and Bargnani. He'll some even want to resign Amare!

gunsnewing wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:I don't think we need to deliberatly lose. ITs baked into this roster. Dalebert and Cole don't make us better. Calderone does to some extent and he'll be a good role player off the bench for a really good team.

Priggs is here because knicks honor commitments. We asked him to stay as for him it was about family in NYC. Unless brooklyn wants him, we honor it.
Shump is still on audition.

Amare might be on the comeback trail but that don't mean he is part of the future.

Im not saying we are losing on purpose, but there is no disaster here as the expectation really should not be there. What some of you WANT is for team to succeed and thats cool. So does Phish. I really thing the effort is there but the language of Melo coming in was pretty evident that the team is in transition. This team gets a free pass this season in my book.

The culture of patchwork to save the season costing the team assets to truly contend has to stop.

Lost the battle to win the war.

Retool. Reimagined. Revamped.
Just don't say tank.

That debacle last night made me wanna throw up.

Tonight's going to be hairybuttfugly. We couldn't stop 14 yr vet Pau. Love is going to get Daly/Cole/Stat all pregnant by middle of the 1st quarter.

Amare can talk then he has to answer to the film. Evident our bench is thin upfront until Bargs resurects his savioronic's.

Ok, its a "Stealth TankJob". Media will paint it bad but thats NY.

Lets get one thing straight, this is my take. I look at this team and the lack of starphuch tells me we are longer term oriented.
One upon a time Layden was collecting assets and letting contracts expire. When the Mecca turned on MSG Dolan panicked with hiring Isiah and set upon an unprecidented leverage to collet talent.
That was a disaster!

Phil I believe can handle the media and likely does not care. He has to not piss them off but play them. He needs to protect his rookie coach a bit and not disappear.

My take is this is all baked in if it in fact plays out as such. Melo will not be asked to carry Knicks to playoffs. We'll lean hard on Amare and perhaps trade him if he is seen as attractive to a contender needing bench scoring.

We'll see how the seaon plays out. If Im right, I've protected my emotional state. If Im wrong I enjoy the winning!

Knicks valuations are much higher if the team succeeds in a long sustained era of success. You can't do that by leveraging by the starphuch as we have for years.

A trio concept of Melo, drafted prospect stud, and a Free agent signing supported by a balanced squad with some vets wanting to play in the triangle in NY for a contender is how I see a brighter future.
Who are these mystical players? Time will tell.

I agree. Much better plan than what most here want which is to try to win with calderon, amare and Bargnani. He'll some even want to resign Amare!

Amare is one of my favorites and loved his first season here! The reality is what it is. If he wants to stay as a role player, like Bob McAdoo did with the lakers years ago thats great. If someone wants to pay him, good for him!!!

Bargnani Im open to and at the same time hope he finds his place in the triangle. Maybe Phil can see him staying. Dude has talant! At what price??? I don't know. Maybe someone in Europe wantst to pay him 9mil a year. Buh Bye. at $6mil, he could be a great player for us.

DOn't let anyone tell you its "not about the money". Its always about the money.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:I don't think we need to deliberatly lose. ITs baked into this roster. Dalebert and Cole don't make us better. Calderone does to some extent and he'll be a good role player off the bench for a really good team.

Priggs is here because knicks honor commitments. We asked him to stay as for him it was about family in NYC. Unless brooklyn wants him, we honor it.
Shump is still on audition.

Amare might be on the comeback trail but that don't mean he is part of the future.

Im not saying we are losing on purpose, but there is no disaster here as the expectation really should not be there. What some of you WANT is for team to succeed and thats cool. So does Phish. I really thing the effort is there but the language of Melo coming in was pretty evident that the team is in transition. This team gets a free pass this season in my book.

The culture of patchwork to save the season costing the team assets to truly contend has to stop.

Lost the battle to win the war.

Retool. Reimagined. Revamped.
Just don't say tank.

That debacle last night made me wanna throw up.

Tonight's going to be hairybuttfugly. We couldn't stop 14 yr vet Pau. Love is going to get Daly/Cole/Stat all pregnant by middle of the 1st quarter.

Amare can talk then he has to answer to the film. Evident our bench is thin upfront until Bargs resurects his savioronic's.

Ok, its a "Stealth TankJob". Media will paint it bad but thats NY.

Lets get one thing straight, this is my take. I look at this team and the lack of starphuch tells me we are longer term oriented.
One upon a time Layden was collecting assets and letting contracts expire. When the Mecca turned on MSG Dolan panicked with hiring Isiah and set upon an unprecidented leverage to collet talent.
That was a disaster!

Phil I believe can handle the media and likely does not care. He has to not piss them off but play them. He needs to protect his rookie coach a bit and not disappear.

My take is this is all baked in if it in fact plays out as such. Melo will not be asked to carry Knicks to playoffs. We'll lean hard on Amare and perhaps trade him if he is seen as attractive to a contender needing bench scoring.

We'll see how the seaon plays out. If Im right, I've protected my emotional state. If Im wrong I enjoy the winning!

Knicks valuations are much higher if the team succeeds in a long sustained era of success. You can't do that by leveraging by the starphuch as we have for years.

A trio concept of Melo, drafted prospect stud, and a Free agent signing supported by a balanced squad with some vets wanting to play in the triangle in NY for a contender is how I see a brighter future.
Who are these mystical players? Time will tell.

Phil can handle the media, but can he really handle losing, Nyets and Sickser style? For an entire season? I seriously doubt it. theres too much intrique with his hot girlfriend and the Dolanspectre effect and his whole ego/ambiance/legacy mindset. Red (Auerbach) didn't suffer no losers. Not when it counted.

Any type of Kobe sighting will "ultimately" kill this board. Book it.

This season has actually forced me to look at the draft board already. (Okay, I actually just accidently clicked an embedded link in one of the reviews of the game).

I just like this guy's throwback name [Nalod, you remember Willie Naulls?], and at only 6 and 6 in his junior year, he's the type of talent that could slip down to where we would probably land if the lottery happens for us.

October 11, 2014
Willie Cauley-Stein measured almost exactly as he did a year ago at the Nike Big Man Skills Academy standing 6'11.25 without shoes with a 240-pound frame and 7'2 wingspan. His 6.4% body fat is simply outstanding considering he's gained some 30 pounds since his high school days, while his 3.15 second ¾ court sprint and 12'3 maximum reach are almost identical to the numbers registered by Dwight Howard coming out of high school. The latter ranks among the 10 best marks in our entire database. The 19 reps Cauley-Stein pumped out on the bench (185-pounds like the NBA Combine) are also fairly impressive considering his strength was maligned early in his career. There's no question that Cauley-Stein is currently the gold standard when it comes athletic ability when it comes to center prospects in the college game.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz3He93B8iU
http://www.draftexpress.com

The new Saviour Awaits!

He said he is a straight shooter and he will call out guys for not playing defense even Melo because he knows what it takes to get to the playoffs

gunsnewing wrote:Did you read what Artest said in the post about getting into it with JR for not playing defense which ultimately led to his release?

He said he is a straight shooter and he will call out guys for not playing defense even Melo because he knows what it takes to get to the playoffs

I read that and it reminded me this is the franchise that gave his baby brother a contract. Only this franchise would bid against itself and give him an overpriced 3 year contract after his antics in the playoffs. He was 6th man in the regular season and a complete and utter failure in the playoffs. And we rewarded him. He must have told Dolan he was his favorite songwriter.

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Did you read what Artest said in the post about getting into it with JR for not playing defense which ultimately led to his release?

He said he is a straight shooter and he will call out guys for not playing defense even Melo because he knows what it takes to get to the playoffs

I read that and it reminded me this is the franchise that gave his baby brother a contract. Only this franchise would bid against itself and give him an overpriced 3 year contract after his antics in the playoffs. He was 6th man in the regular season and a complete and utter failure in the playoffs. And we rewarded him. He must have told Dolan he was his favorite songwriter.

I saw that. It was Berman but Berman made a point of saying Woodson looked at JR like he was his son and implied favoritism existed towards JR. Pretty messed up. I wonder if Ron would consider signing for Phil/Fisher in March. If his knee is right he would be a nice addition and a vet that knows the triangle. I don't think Phil would stay away from Ron to protect JR.

I can't really see the reason at this point. Ron is a guy who could still provide 15 minutes of defensive intensity for a contender. That could be useful in the playoffs. He's not a building block or long-term anything, so renting him now probably doesn't fit into this club's tear down agenda. I say agenda because if it wasn't before the season, it is going to have to be now. I don't care what their philosophy is, they have to reboot totally and plan for next year. There's no way we are not a lottery team this year. That's good. I hope they embrace it.

Love the Panda sneakers though. If the NBA would allow that, then I say bring him back.

Nalod wrote:How about this at the beginning of the season:

"Knicks GM, President, OWNER and coaches have instructed he players they don't care how long it takes, but this team will play the way the coach is instructed you to and if we lose every game, so be it. Some of you will be traded. Those whose contracts are ending have an opportunity to play for the opportunity to resign or raise your value in free agency."

So some of you can throw pasta at the wall as to what you think is the fix but this scenario is my take. This team wants a top 5 draft choice and is going triangle come hell or high-water!!!

If the triangle gets us into top 5 pick territory, will playing inside the octagon guarantee us the # 1 pick?

Knicksfan wrote:Im not familiar with next year's draft. Is there any real franchise talent worth tanking for?

I think you do have a Tim Duncan like PF/C at the # 1 position this year--that will be the big prize. #2 and #3 to me will be Mudiay and Harrell.