yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Lebron really isn't a big dude, his weight is in muscle. He's much more defined that Melo.

He's much more defined than probably every athlete(exaggeration).

Athletes carry weight differently and can reshape their body and still weigh the same. People carry weight differently. Looking thinner or being thinner does not mean that you are in better shape. Melo has taken his condition seriously throughout his career and I am sure he is doing things to fit into the role Phisher wants him to be in.

Melo usually does come into camp in shape which is a basic expectation for any NBA player, but I will say for his role he has to maintain it throuout the season. I cant say melo comes in in prime basketball sahpe though as he isnt truly built as a basketball player

knickscity wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Nix some ppl think for the money melo is making he shouldn't have one single weakness.
He should be able to score like kobe, defend like mutumbo, run like cheater, dunk like jordan, pass like stockton, and lead like a president.

Until then he's highly overpaid, selfish, is only here for the money and fame, doesn't care about championships and should come off the bench..

Nobody has said any of this. I would think though that that type of dough, I wouldnt expect scrub type playoff shooting percentages since scoring is his best attribute.

When you are playing 1 on 5 you can't shoot well.

When he played with (healthy) Billups he did well. Melo needs to play with an orchestrator - he is not MJ or Lebron.

F500ONE wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is a very good sign... but all it proves is that he hasn't been in supreme shape since he got here, just like i have been saying all along. maybe we will finally see an elite-conditioned max melo on this team. he owes the knicks at least that much.

He's following this guys lead

It's a sign of the way the game is changing///// too many quick athletic type hybrids in this league

Wait if losing weight proves that the player wasn't in supreme shape, then Lebron wasn't?

No!

Lebron was the other extreme of being in shape

He was a near starting NFL tight end on his was to/////

Mr. Olympian body builder, get real!

Now if you want to question Lebron juicing go for it, this may be a more logical retort

but all it proves is that he hasn't been in supreme shape since he got here

That's the part I'm referring to.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Nix some ppl think for the money melo is making he shouldn't have one single weakness.
He should be able to score like kobe, defend like mutumbo, run like cheater, dunk like jordan, pass like stockton, and lead like a president.

Until then he's highly overpaid, selfish, is only here for the money and fame, doesn't care about championships and should come off the bench..

Nobody has said any of this. I would think though that that type of dough, I wouldnt expect scrub type playoff shooting percentages since scoring is his best attribute.

When you are playing 1 on 5 you can't shoot well.

When he played with (healthy) Billups he did well. Melo needs to play with an orchestrator - he is not MJ or Lebron.

so if this is the case (which is so obvious) why does he get so much heat for always having to create his own shot.

The #1 reason Melo was high on the trade has to be calderon and larkin, we all know if melo is shooting in rhythm, there's no defense on the planet that can stop him.

At the same time, you can't take away his Iso's on the elbow and block, that's his game.he just need to make his move sooner.

Kenny smith broke it down on a telecast last season, he was making a comparison from last season, and the 54 win season. Melo was making a higher pct of shots or the correct pass when he doesn't hold the ball for more then 7 seconds.

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Nix some ppl think for the money melo is making he shouldn't have one single weakness.
He should be able to score like kobe, defend like mutumbo, run like cheater, dunk like jordan, pass like stockton, and lead like a president.

Until then he's highly overpaid, selfish, is only here for the money and fame, doesn't care about championships and should come off the bench..

Nobody has said any of this. I would think though that that type of dough, I wouldnt expect scrub type playoff shooting percentages since scoring is his best attribute.

When you are playing 1 on 5 you can't shoot well.

When he played with (healthy) Billups he did well. Melo needs to play with an orchestrator - he is not MJ or Lebron.

so if this is the case (which is so obvious) why does he get so much heat for always having to create his own shot.

The #1 reason Melo was high on the trade has to be calderon and larkin, we all know if melo is shooting in rhythm, there's no defense on the planet that can stop him.

At the same time, you can't take away his Iso's on the elbow and block, that's his game.he just need to make his move sooner.

Kenny smith broke it down on a telecast last season, he was making a comparison from last season, and the 54 win season. Melo was making a higher pct of shots or the correct pass when he doesn't hold the ball for more then 7 seconds.

His Iso's/posts need to be reduced and his assisted baskets needs to be increased is all he is saying.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Nix some ppl think for the money melo is making he shouldn't have one single weakness.
He should be able to score like kobe, defend like mutumbo, run like cheater, dunk like jordan, pass like stockton, and lead like a president.

Until then he's highly overpaid, selfish, is only here for the money and fame, doesn't care about championships and should come off the bench..

Nobody has said any of this. I would think though that that type of dough, I wouldnt expect scrub type playoff shooting percentages since scoring is his best attribute.

When you are playing 1 on 5 you can't shoot well.

When he played with (healthy) Billups he did well. Melo needs to play with an orchestrator - he is not MJ or Lebron.

Billups and Amare was healthy in game 1. Amare beasted, Melo did nothing but shoot poorly.

I agree he isnt MJ or LeBron, thats why his pay should have reflected such.

Even he shouldnt feel comfortable nearly being the highest paid player in the league shooting 43% in the playoffs.

playoff shooting has not been good overall though it was good when paired with the appropriate players so he certainly gets dinged but perhaps there is a touch of an excuse though not an exoneration.

I was not happy that he got such a big payday so I will not defend phil's move though I am not sure that he had much choice, he was not going to let him walk.

Knicks fans need to come to grips with the fact Phil is no fool. He took a VERY LONG time to think about this team and what he could do with it. Phil is normally rather risk averse, so he had to feel confident in the talent of Melo and what he thought he could do with him if he stayed with the team and was the focal point. I think Phil is crazy like a fox. He thinks several steps ahead from what i've seen and so far his plan is going pretty much the way it's supposed to. He got a coach he felt he could mentor and that thinks a lot like he does. He got his star player to re-sign and at the least verbally buy into what he wants to do. He was able to make some changes while still preparing for more in the future.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Nix some ppl think for the money melo is making he shouldn't have one single weakness.
He should be able to score like kobe, defend like mutumbo, run like cheater, dunk like jordan, pass like stockton, and lead like a president.

Until then he's highly overpaid, selfish, is only here for the money and fame, doesn't care about championships and should come off the bench..

Nobody has said any of this. I would think though that that type of dough, I wouldnt expect scrub type playoff shooting percentages since scoring is his best attribute.

When you are playing 1 on 5 you can't shoot well.

When he played with (healthy) Billups he did well. Melo needs to play with an orchestrator - he is not MJ or Lebron.

Billups and Amare was healthy in game 1. Amare beasted, Melo did nothing but shoot poorly.

I agree he isnt MJ or LeBron, thats why his pay should have reflected such.

Even he shouldnt feel comfortable nearly being the highest paid player in the league shooting 43% in the playoffs.

playoff shooting has not been good overall though it was good when paired with the appropriate players so he certainly gets dinged but perhaps there is a touch of an excuse though not an exoneration.

I was not happy that he got such a big payday so I will not defend phil's move though I am not sure that he had much choice, he was not going to let him walk.

Knicks fans need to come to grips with the fact Phil is no fool. He took a VERY LONG time to think about this team and what he could do with it. Phil is normally rather risk averse, so he had to feel confident in the talent of Melo and what he thought he could do with him if he stayed with the team and was the focal point. I think Phil is crazy like a fox. He thinks several steps ahead from what i've seen and so far his plan is going pretty much the way it's supposed to. He got a coach he felt he could mentor and that thinks a lot like he does. He got his star player to re-sign and at the least verbally buy into what he wants to do. He was able to make some changes while still preparing for more in the future.

if Phil could get it done, he'd gut the entire roster and start over, which he will have a chance to do next few offseasons.

But keeping things in line with just Melo....Phil wanted Melo to opt in, he wanted to see what melo had the capability of doing in a structured offense before he had to buy full price.

Melo didnt afford Phil that chance and bought nothing but a near max deal at a slight discount.

Phil knows signing him to this deal he's taking a huge risk, if Melo doesnt work out according to plan, Phil cant trade him WITHOUT melo's permission.

But it may never come to that. I'm sure Phil hopes it doesnt, i hope it doesnt either.

You gotta chuckle at Melo's juice here

It makes you softly and slightly doubt Phil

How can a 12yr career loser tell a 13 time champion

To put Phil's mouth where Melo's money is

It should have been the other way around

As you said Phil should have stood by his public request and called Melo's bluff of leaving

Phil caved, which ultimately is a sign of weakness no matter how anyone tries to spin it

Could everything work, possibly but/////

Phil is in a dark ally backed against a wall, with a plastic knife in one hand and the other tied behind his back

Channeling his inner mutant powers hoping they're still active

Melo is in the movies eating popcorn watching this scene unfold

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Lebron really isn't a big dude, his weight is in muscle. He's much more defined that Melo.

He's much more defined than probably every athlete(exaggeration).

Athletes carry weight differently and can reshape their body and still weigh the same. People carry weight differently. Looking thinner or being thinner does not mean that you are in better shape. Melo has taken his condition seriously throughout his career and I am sure he is doing things to fit into the role Phisher wants him to be in.

There's quite a few cut/defined players in the NBA...people look at leBron and figure he's a freight train. he isnt that at all.

Melo usually does come into camp in shape which is a basic expectation for any NBA player, but I will say for his role he has to maintain it throuout the season. I cant say melo comes in in prime basketball sahpe though as he isnt truly built as a basketball player

7 All-NBA teams and a host of other accolades would suggest otherwise.

That means he's missed them 4 times throughout his career

Quite a bit since there are 3 teams

F500ONE wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knickscity wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:Lebron really isn't a big dude, his weight is in muscle. He's much more defined that Melo.

He's much more defined than probably every athlete(exaggeration).

Athletes carry weight differently and can reshape their body and still weigh the same. People carry weight differently. Looking thinner or being thinner does not mean that you are in better shape. Melo has taken his condition seriously throughout his career and I am sure he is doing things to fit into the role Phisher wants him to be in.

There's quite a few cut/defined players in the NBA...people look at leBron and figure he's a freight train. he isnt that at all.

Melo usually does come into camp in shape which is a basic expectation for any NBA player, but I will say for his role he has to maintain it throuout the season. I cant say melo comes in in prime basketball sahpe though as he isnt truly built as a basketball player

7 All-NBA teams and a host of other accolades would suggest otherwise.

That means he's missed them 4 times throughout his career

Quite a bit since there are 3 teams

Yeah and how many other active players in the league can boast that? Let's also overlook the competition he's had to beat out to do that over the years. It's like ****ting on Alonzo Mourning because he's only had 2 All-NBA appearances.

djsunyc wrote:surprised nobody brought it up yet - but all these players "cutting" imho is a directive from silver b/c i think we are going to see PED testing coming to the nba soon.

Don't they already have PED testing? Isn't that how Nick Cathales from the Grizzlies got suspended? Isn't that why Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis were suspended in the past?